What would you say to someone that DOESN'T DEADLIFT?

[thatwaslight]

I know of many people that argue that the deadlift is not effective at building over all mass especially on the back. It gets me so angry that i cant think. what should i say to these people? (apart from f*ck off)

YES, GO OVER TO THE CABLE STATION AND HOIST THOSE PULLEYS ROUND AND IN NO TIME YOU WILL BE 10KILOS HEAVIER??????

[tinytraps]

A favourite of mine

- Why do deadlifts? Cos your wife/gf/sister enjoys my powerful hip thrusts

[TonganTerror]

:pfft: for those that say they wont squat or dead I always go for the did you know these compound movements help recruit more natural testosterone in your body so next time you go and do your "dips" or chins you will get much more massive :shifty:

[Jigga]

I personally don't think they are awesome for back development. You aren't pulling the weight in to your body, your arms are staying locked out at all times and moving in a pendulum motion. It's like saying holding your 1rm at lockout on bench press is great for chest development.

I did them to train hammys and lower back and got up to 140x10. I never felt my upper back getting that thrashed. Maybe I just didn't get heavy enough to enjoy these back building benefits :shrug:

Definitely improves your hip thrusts for slamming though.

[TonganTerror]

Definitely improves your hip thrusts for slamming though.

jigga you just made my day :pfft:

[morattigirl]

Definitely improves your hip thrusts for slamming though.

jigga you just made my day :pfft:

Ahaha would you agree TT :pfft:

[Dontrunwithknives]

"Deadlifts Work The Following Muscles

One of the main advantages of deadlifting includes overall muscle development. I feel deadlifts are superior to the squat as they feel good to perform, and provide a near total body workout. The muscles targeted during with the deadlift include:

The Back

Deadlifts are viewed primarily as a back movement; as this is where the main stress is throughout the movement. Indeed, the lower back (the erectors) will become big and strong after a surprisingly short period, with the deadlift. The latissimus dorsi and associated muscles are also worked to a large degree - especially at the top of the movement.

The Gluteus Maximus & Associated Muscles

The deadlift is probably the best movement in terms of developing round, strong, glute muscles. On ascension, at the sticking point, the glutes are bought into play and can be squeezed at this point for a maximal contraction. Deadlifts also work all the surrounding hip/pelvic muscles.

The Legs

The deadlift works the entire leg region much the same as the squat does (except the squat is in many ways a superior leg developer). In fact most of the deadlifting movement is executed by the legs, with the back holding everything in place.

The Arms

All arm muscles are contracted during the ascension phase of the deadlift. The forearms, in particular, are worked tremendously.

The Shoulders & Trapezius

Upon completion, at the top of the movement, the shoulders are pulled back slightly which stresses them along with the trapezius. Big deadlifters are renowned by their massive shoulder and trap development."

[genetic freek]

I personally don't think they are awesome for back development. You aren't pulling the weight in to your body, your arms are staying locked out at all times and moving in a pendulum motion. It's like saying holding your 1rm at lockout on bench press is great for chest development.

I did them to train hammys and lower back and got up to 140x10. I never felt my upper back getting that thrashed. Maybe I just didn't get heavy enough to enjoy these back building benefits :shrug:

Definitely improves your hip thrusts for slamming though.

Please refrain from drinking before posting. yes yes and leg extensions are better for leg development than squats.

[thatwaslight]

I personally don't think they are awesome for back development. You aren't pulling the weight in to your body, your arms are staying locked out at all times and moving in a pendulum motion. It's like saying holding your 1rm at lockout on bench press is great for chest development.

I did them to train hammys and lower back and got up to 140x10. I never felt my upper back getting that thrashed. Maybe I just didn't get heavy enough to enjoy these back building benefits :shrug:

Definitely improves your hip thrusts for slamming though.

How does this translate to deadlifts????

[Jigga]

Please refrain from drinking before posting. yes yes and leg extensions are better for leg development than squats.

Did start the gin pretty early today

[Jigga]

I personally don't think they are awesome for back development. You aren't pulling the weight in to your body, your arms are staying locked out at all times and moving in a pendulum motion. It's like saying holding your 1rm at lockout on bench press is great for chest development.

I did them to train hammys and lower back and got up to 140x10. I never felt my upper back getting that thrashed. Maybe I just didn't get heavy enough to enjoy these back building benefits :shrug:

Definitely improves your hip thrusts for slamming though.

How does this translate to deadlifts????

Nevermind. I'll keep my opinion to myself

[Luigi]

brings out the spinal erectors and traps nicely.

[Chillicat]

I find a more reasoned approach to be more effective than a smart arsed one. Currently my hubby is a once a week gymmer, with not much clue, and only goes because he has a membership and I'm going and he's making an effort to get his money's worth. He pretty much dicks about on cardio for a bit,has a bit of a go on a row of machines and that's it for the week.

I'd love him to do more, but it's his choice - so I'm explaining to him the overall benefits of squats/deads and bench and the whole compound muscles thing against the machines he's using. Some people need a a slower approach and to realise for themselves that what they are doing is only taking them so far - but being a wanker really doesn't work. I know that once a week it's not going to make much difference, but I'm hoping that it will create a love of squats/deads/bench and he might start going say twice a week :pfft:

[nate225]

"There is no reason to be alive if you can't do deadlift" - Jon Pall Sigmarsson.

'nuff said. :nod:

[PeterDolan]

I personally don't think they are awesome for back development. You aren't pulling the weight in to your body, your arms are staying locked out at all times and moving in a pendulum motion. It's like saying holding your 1rm at lockout on bench press is great for chest development.

I did them to train hammys and lower back and got up to 140x10. I never felt my upper back getting that thrashed. Maybe I just didn't get heavy enough to enjoy these back building benefits :shrug:

Definitely improves your hip thrusts for slamming though.

It's all in the execution, for upper back mass I wouldn't pull from the floor, I'd do rack deads or partial deads and focus on contracting the lats and rhomboids, especially at the top

[Maximus]

I deadlift and superset these with weighted pull ups and certainly feel the result afterwards.

Out of all the exercises that you can do, there is nothing more functional than a straight forwarded Deadlift.

[Draft]

Agree, (as per sig - think its a Rippetoe quote)

[Old Bull]

Get The f*ck out of my Gym go to shiny land same thing if they don't Squat.

Is that PC

OB

[rose]

I'd ask them if they squat. If the conversation went nowhere, I'd ask them why they're wasting their time in the gym and leave them to it. Unless the opinions/strength gains of these people really matter to you, why waste *your* time?

Had a similar conversation in teh gym recently. Some man approached me and asked me what I was doing. Then proceeded to whinge about how he always gets zero results in three sets of ten land. Do you squat? Never. Do you deadlift? No. Then proceeded to debate everything I said. Then went back to three sets of ten land.

You Can Argue With An Opinion; You Can't Argue With Ignorance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance

[Riccardo]

I wouldn't bother Giving people advice unless I have a good hunch they are gona follow it, I mean I've lost count the amount of times I've corrected peoples techniques and bullshit opinions for example "benching so the bar touches your chest is bad for your shoulders" and apparently a physio told him that...what kind of fuckwits perpetuate this bullshit? Same with "deep squats is bad for the knees" BULLSHIT! What people dont realise is these variations they are doing that are saving their joints are actually making them worse!

Anyways back to the deadlift, If someone is too arrogant or can't deal with their own ego or is too much of a pussy to work in deadlifts into their routine then f*ck 'em. They don't deserve the benefit of my experience. They can go do their cable rows, quater squats and halfway bench pressing. Meanwhile I'll be in a cloud of chalk dust in that corner that the ipod armband, lycra wearing crew stay away from. You know, the one with the deadlift platform, chains, bands and power rack smashing some heavy as weights and growing into a bigger, faster, stronger SOB.

[teamfatboy]

Just out of curiosity, does the answer vary depending on what their goals are? ie general 3x10 land just goofing off in the gym, serious BB'er or PL (of course, a PL who doesn't deadlift isn't actually a PL!)

For my 2c worth, I just aspire to master the deadlift...

[rose]

Just out of curiosity, does the answer vary depending on what their goals are? ie general 3x10 land just goofing off in the gym

Not if they whinge about not getting the results they desire while in 3x10 land. If you're happy doing the same thing, don't whinge about it not working etc. Wah, it's not working but I won't change coz change is scary and frightening and my muscles might shrink, last month's issue of Men's Health sez so :doh:

[tomsammce]

in all my training i never conventional deadlifted at all. except when i was training with someone and doing their routine, if they deadlifted i would deadlift, i found i could still keep up with them even though they were regular deadlifters and i was not. we are talking 180kg for 8-10reps so not huge weight but still ok. i did stiff leg deads as my main hamstring exercise and found this was suffice for lower back training on top of all the other stuff i would do for training, my spinal erectors and lower back were big and strong even from not deadlifting. i never got told i should work my lower back more quite the opposite, i also never experienced problems in other parts of my training due to a weak lower back or lack of deadlifts

so i would say NO they are not nessarcery to building a big and good and strong physique.

i have my home gym now and beacuse of the limitations i have with exercises deadlifts will be a big part of my training from now, so i will see if i have been missing out or not then i will have both sides to the story and will let u all know.

p.s i was train just for bodybuilding maybe if you want to be a strongman it would be a good idea, but for me i found it didnt matter so much

just my opinion guys fromy my experiences.

some will hate me for this but its truth: you can also build just as good a set of legs without squats, by using legpress, lunges and various other exercises.

[Jigga]

if jay is anything to go by then squats and deads are pretty irrelevant. his training consists almost entirely of machine and db work. current mr O.

and wat

[TonganTerror]

I wouldn't bother Giving people advice unless I have a good hunch they are gona follow it, I mean I've lost count the amount of times I've corrected peoples techniques

Im with you mate I dont give any advice to the newbies anymore too many of them come and go I will help them out once they been in the gym 6months training solid etc

I'd ask them if they squat. If the conversation went nowhere, I'd ask them why they're wasting their time in the gym and leave them to it. Unless the opinions/strength gains of these people really matter to you, why waste *your* time?

lol my thoughts exactly rose we could do with some of that attitude in our gym morattigirl would love to help you filter out the time wasting chicks :pfft: the only reason I do like to help people train to maximize their ability is I dream of a day when people from other gyms walk into ours and go :shock: FARK :shock: THESE GUYS AND GIRLS ARE ALL MASSIVE AND STRONG :nod: my dream isnt the owners though ah well Ill just win lotto and oust him lol!!