Blunt Drawing Needles and Vials

[BrotherRobb]

Just a quick question,

I got some 18g blunt drawing needles, as the exchange place i guess thought i was on heroin.

Are these ok to use to draw out of the vial, i gotta push it in really hard to pop through the membrane and it leaves a pin prick size visible hole/dent.

Safe, not safe? I then switch to a 23g needle to inject obviously. Blunt needle would be fun though.

[Riccardo]

If the hole left by the drawing needle is too large then it leaves the vial open to contamination.

TBH I don't see a huge advantage of switching pins unless you're gumby and scrape the bevel on the glass vial. Just remember to wash your hands first and swab the top of the vial before you draw.

[Outkast]

i use a 19 to draw 23 to inject.. never had problems with that before..

never used a 18 before but they shouldnt be much different?

maybe? maybe not! lol

[EMC]

how did you get new blunt pins?

i use 18g to draw 25g to inject, no probs at all

[r1ngworm]

how did you get new blunt pins?

:nod: im curious on this too,i use 22g to draw.25 to pin,keeps vial damage low

[Riccardo]

The blunts come pre packaged and sterile and every thing, they don't have a bevel and are specifically used for drawing from multi-dose vials when you want to use all the dosages in one session. Like imunising a bunch of school kids.

[musclenz]

18g can cause bits of the rubber stopper to get loose in the vial. If this is sucked up in a subsequent withdrawal & injected into your arm or ass you could be away to the ED in a couple of days to dig it out. Worst senerio I know but it has happened. Use a 20g (Yellow) to draw & Inject with a 23 (blue) or 25g (Orange) pin. NEVER USE THE SAME PIN YOU HAVE DRAWN OUT OF THE VIAL TO INJECT. IT WILL NOT BE STERILE & IS BLUNT.

[thatwaslight]

If the hole left by the drawing needle is too large then it leaves the vial open to contamination.

TBH I don't see a huge advantage of switching pins unless you're gumby and scrape the bevel on the glass vial. Just remember to wash your hands first and swab the top of the vial before you draw.

Are you serious?

[genetic freek]

If the hole left by the drawing needle is too large then it leaves the vial open to contamination.

TBH I don't see a huge advantage of switching pins unless you're gumby and scrape the bevel on the glass vial. Just remember to wash your hands first and swab the top of the vial before you draw.

Are you serious?

WHo gives a f*ck if its blunt, all u using it for is drawing.

[thatwaslight]

If the hole left by the drawing needle is too large then it leaves the vial open to contamination.

TBH I don't see a huge advantage of switching pins unless you're gumby and scrape the bevel on the glass vial. Just remember to wash your hands first and swab the top of the vial before you draw.

Are you serious?

WHo gives a f*ck if its blunt, all u using it for is drawing.

From what hes said it sounds like he means why switch from drawing needle to a new smaller gauge to inject with??

[Pete_S]

Try putting a blunt 18g in your arse

The one time i had no 23g pins on hand - never again :grin:

[Outkast]

Try putting a blunt 18g in your arse

The one time i had no 23g pins on hand - never again :grin:

woah!!! :shock:

[noddynomuscles]

I use a 23g for drawing and injecting (different pins). But I heat the oil up before I draw, makes it much much easier to draw as well as inject. Does anyone else do this?

[Specter]

I use a 23g for drawing and injecting (different pins). But I heat the oil up before I draw, makes it much much easier to draw as well as inject. Does anyone else do this?

Explain further? Heating up oil how?

[Luigi]

I use a 23g for drawing and injecting (different pins). But I heat the oil up before I draw, makes it much much easier to draw as well as inject. Does anyone else do this?

have done b4, and your right it does make it easier, but its pretty easy anyway...

[noddynomuscles]

I use a 23g for drawing and injecting (different pins). But I heat the oil up before I draw, makes it much much easier to draw as well as inject. Does anyone else do this?

Explain further? Heating up oil how?

I heat up the oil by either submerging the vial about 3/4 deep in a pot of hot (not boiling) water on the stove, or by lying the vial down on top of an oil heater on the highest setting. In both cases the heat thins the oil. I just leave the vial (either in the hot water, or on the heater) for about 20minutes while I go and do other stuff. I definitely prefer injecting heated oil as it goes in a lot easier and faster, and the injection sites don't seem to hurt as much (maybe/probably placebo effect?). But Luigi is right, it is pretty easy regardless. . .

[oldfella]

Use a 20g (Yellow) to draw & Inject with a 23 (blue) or 25g (Orange) pin.

What I use, works fine. Though when the vial is cold drawing with the 20 can take a little while.

[thatwaslight]

yeah i just leave my syringe on the heater for 5min and its alot faster and comfortable to inject. nothing worse than a cold lump of oil sitting in your shoulder.

[BrotherRobb]

Well i used the 23g (light blue) 1 1/4 to inject and if i can be bothered i usually leave the vial in some warm water while i take a shower.

Thanks for all the input, i used to draw with the 23 and inject with it. WIll switch to new needles from now on. Thanks for info about the rubber chunks, cause yeah, it def was some effort to get that wide ass blunt prick into the vial. I guess after the 1st one going through the membrane the rest wouldnt be such a bitc*. As for actually using that to inject, you would have to have balls of steel, even if it wasnt blunt.. i def couldnt do it

And i got them from the needle exchange, theyre pre packed sterile and in packs of 5 for $1. All the other equip was free when you take back your old used syringes and needles.

[Riccardo]

If the hole left by the drawing needle is too large then it leaves the vial open to contamination.

TBH I don't see a huge advantage of switching pins unless you're gumby and scrape the bevel on the glass vial. Just remember to wash your hands first and swab the top of the vial before you draw.

Are you serious?

You are obviously not going to use the needle more than once are you :roll:

it is common practice to use the same needle for drawing/injecting so long as you use proper aseptic technique.