protein detox

[kswinkels]

so for the past 4 or 5 months i have been having 2 protein shakes a day one at about 10 30 to supplement my fruit pre lunch meal then once PWO but having spent $100 every month and a half on ON whey protein and getting very mixed feedback in general about protein shakes what are your guys takes? For this week of heavy lifting I am refraining from any shakes at all to see the effects it has on my body so far none to mention that I have observed and I hit the chest real hard yesterday. If there is no changes really im going to stop with the shakes because end of the day its just another expense and im a struggling student but once I have finished may get on that juice again

[nate225]

Protein shakes are just another food at the end of the day.

If you aren't having enough protein in your meals & you remove the 2 shakes your recovery is likely to be effected in a negative way. If the shakes were in addition to a diet high in protein you're not likely to have that problem.

The other thing that springs to mind is that by dropping 2 shakes you are decreasing the calories in your day - is this what you want to do? If this drops your 'energy in' below your 'energy use' you'll lose weight, not good if you're trying to gain, but good if you're wanting to drop weight.

May pay to look at the big picture rather than the focus on the shakes, which by the way are usually cheap in comparison to meat based protein.

Maybe worth 'crunching' your diet.

Nate

[Phedder]

Nate pretty much covered it, if you're dropping the shakes make sure you're still getting enough protein from your whole foods. If price is your main concern, then you could try using a less expensive protein powder? I have 2 shakes a day and am a student as well, using eatme which is only $35 a kg from shotgun. http://www.shotgunsupplements.co.nz/shop/Shop+By+Category/PROTEIN/Whey+Protein/Eat+Me+100+Whey+1kg+pack.html Gram for Gram, shakes are probably the cheapest form of protein, certainly cheaper than meat.

[fit2fight]

Protein shakes are just another food at the end of the day.

If you aren't having enough protein in your meals & you remove the 2 shakes your recovery is likely to be effected in a negative way. If the shakes were in addition to a diet high in protein you're not likely to have that problem.

The other thing that springs to mind is that by dropping 2 shakes you are decreasing the calories in your day - is this what you want to do? If this drops your 'energy in' below your 'energy use' you'll lose weight, not good if you're trying to gain, but good if you're wanting to drop weight.

May pay to look at the big picture rather than the focus on the shakes, which by the way are usually cheap in comparison to meat based protein.

Maybe worth 'crunching' your diet.

Nate

Couldn't have said it better :clap:

[rimma]

What the shit is a protein detox?

I doubt you could have protein toxicity unless you have existing kidney problems or eat a ridiculous amount of powder.

[rimma]

I guess a protein detox is when you have to much muscle and want to lose some, personally I can't afford to do that.

:grin:

[runveerun]

I guess a protein detox is when you have to much muscle and want to lose some.

If anybody needs to lose muscle they can send it my way. All donations gladly accepted :grin:

[Dubble_D]

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[kswinkels]

f*ck me i dont even know what to say now lmao :shock:, this is all very debatable and opinionated but in my opinion a calorie is a calorie it is just converted and utilised by the body in a different matter depending on whether its a carb, protein or whatever example if i eat 4000 cals of fat and carbs im gonna turn into a fat shit if i eat 4000 cals of protein ill still turn into a fat shit but only after that protein is used for muscle repair and other stuff....that is all.... anywho back on subject after dropping the shakes for 3 days am waking up alot more lethargic and am a bit more sore but still not sure if it is worth the expense of $110 a month.

[Phedder]

after dropping the shakes for 3 days am waking up alot more lethargic and am a bit more sore but still not sure if it is worth the expense of $110 a month.

I'd think that means you're not getting enough protein from the whole foods you eat? You don't have to spend $110 a month, like I said earlier you could try a cheaper brand and maybe just have a shake post workout everyday?

[kswinkels]

Hey Phedder yeah I have been considering using a cheaper protein powder only problem is that with ON i know that what I am having is good and has a good reputation and dont like the uncertainty associated with the cheaper powders and their ingredients etc if i stay on the ON though I will go down from 2 shakes a day to just the 1 PWO shake.

[nate225]

f*ck me i dont even know what to say now lmao :shock:, this is all very debatable and opinionated but in my opinion a calorie is a calorie it is just converted and utilised by the body in a different matter depending on whether its a carb, protein or whatever example if i eat 4000 cals of fat and carbs im gonna turn into a fat shit if i eat 4000 cals of protein ill still turn into a fat shit but only after that protein is used for muscle repair and other stuff....that is all.... anywho back on subject after dropping the shakes for 3 days am waking up alot more lethargic and am a bit more sore but still not sure if it is worth the expense of $110 a month.

LOL - sorry mate, Elite & I were just bantering on our respective beliefs! At the end of the day if you ignore all the technical stuff your world wont change to much! It's a hot topic and has been for decades now (probably highlighted by the Atkin's Diet era, incidentally Dr Atkins died morbidly obese).

To summarise my position succinctly, (and not to discredit anything Elite has said, as he has done his homework his beliefs are his beliefs), any change in total calorie consumption above or below base requirements will mean weight is gained or lost.

If you choose to drop carbs and eat fat / protein you by default decrease calories (aided by the fact satiety is greater with fat/pro so less hunger) and will lose weight. Likewise any diet where major food groups are removed. Low carb diets may show greater weight loss on the scales, as would be expected as you deplete carbs stored to a certain degree and the 4 or so grams of water stored with these carbs. My main bias against this approach comes from the fact I'm an athlete - I actually need carbs to perform! Not to many low carb dieters on the Worlds Strongest Man podium! For a non athlete this approach maybe fine, although the sustainability of such regiemes is questionable (i.e. lose heaps of weight on a low carb diet, carbs creep back in, weight gain & health conditions reappear - and geuss what the carb is blamed, not the calorific inbalance!).

Anyway all debate aside - believe what you want to - but if you're not feeling as if your recovery is as good as it was with shakes you may want to add them back in!

[teamfatboy]

Hey Phedder yeah I have been considering using a cheaper protein powder only problem is that with ON i know that what I am having is good and has a good reputation and dont like the uncertainty associated with the cheaper powders and their ingredients etc if i stay on the ON though I will go down from 2 shakes a day to just the 1 PWO shake.

If you do cut down on the shakes, make sure to top up your overall protein levels with something else - if convenience is an issue at work or wherever, tuna in springwater or chopchop chicken work.

[Pseudonym]

Off-topic posts have been moved to When is a calorie not a calorie? 8)