Anyone ever tried importing PH's or Steroids into NZ

[Cornfed]

^ Because it's a "legal" distinction. It wasn't scheduled as a steroid at the time because no-one was manufacturing it then.

[jerume]

i bought in m1t from bodybuilding.com for around $35nz after shipping was included,i sold one bottle for $180nz on trade me!!!!!!!!i was so stoked,i sold more for between $90-$130,it was a pretty good money making scheme

[Cornfed]

i bought in m1t from bodybuilding.com for around $35nz after shipping was included,i sold one bottle for $180nz on trade me!!!!!!!!i was so stoked,i sold more for between $90-$130,it was a pretty good money making scheme

Er, why are you telling us this? If you told me this to my face, I would probably hit you. But thanks for the price check.

[bulking]

The 10 dollars would have been right before the ban when stores were looking to offload, now m1t or 1ad goes for around $100 nz a bottle.

m1t is as toxic as it gets you may as well juice. 1-ad /4derm is a much better prohormone option if your looking.

[Growth]

i bought in m1t from bodybuilding.com for around $35nz after shipping was included,i sold one bottle for $180nz on trade me!!!!!!!!i was so stoked,i sold more for between $90-$130,it was a pretty good money making scheme

This is the kind if thing you should keep to yourself. Importing steroids with the intent of reselling them is ALOT worse than if you get caught importing for personal use.

what makes u say that?i imported a few bottles and sold them over here,i have never heard them being called steroids before

Its because of people like you that they ban such products. You shouldnt be using them let alone selling them, and selling over the net?, what if the person who bought it thinks its a PH like you?, its extremely likely the person you sold it to wont be able to get any PCT products if they are buying M1T on trademe for $150, what if the person was 15?

The 10 dollars would have been right before the ban when stores were looking to offload, now m1t or 1ad goes for around $100 nz a bottle.

m1t is as toxic as it gets you may as well juice. 1-ad /4derm is a much better prohormone option if your looking.

Nope the $10 wasnt right before the ban, although i think when the product came out about 2 years ago it was $15 a bottle, but it had been $10 a bottle for a long time, price didnt drop just before the ban either, stayed at $10 bucks. And once again M1T isnt a PH, its a steroidal.

[Cornfed]

Its because of people like you that they ban such products. You shouldnt be using them let alone selling them, and selling over the net?

I have no objection to someone using roids or selling them to informed adults at reasonable prices. Sure, there is said to be some so-called "law" against it, but practically anything you do could be construed as being against some "law" or other these days. As far as I'm concerned, the bureaucratic scum can take all their "laws" and shove 'em up their asses.

what if the person who bought it thinks its a PH like you?, its extremely likely the person you sold it to wont be able to get any PCT products if they are buying M1T on trademe for $150, what if the person was 15?

Good point. There ought to be some responsibility about how you go about distributing drugs like this. People buying in this circumstance may well be too young to juice and may not even know what they are getting. There is also the matter of the huge markup. Surely it is desirable for fellow lifters to help each other, not have one over on each other at any opportunity. Where is the community spirit?

[jerume]

nutrition plus was selling mag10 at the same time,supplementsonline.co.nz was selling mag10 a month ago!!!!!if i knew it was illegal there is no way that i would of ever imported it!,until a well informed mate inquired and i stopped importing,i thought if these large companies are importing it why cant i?

[jerume]

i bought in m1t from bodybuilding.com for around $35nz after shipping was included,i sold one bottle for $180nz on trade me!!!!!!!!i was so stoked,i sold more for between $90-$130,it was a pretty good money making scheme

Er, why are you telling us this? If you told me this to my face, I would probably hit you. But thanks for the price check.

whats that gotta do with n e thing?u dont gotta say that dude,i never intended too sell too minors,obviously!what about dozens of nutrition sites in the states where anyone in the world can buy ph's?no matter what age?i started off just importing a bottle for me too try,then i decided too stay natural,so i had too sell it,and i made a little money off it,and others posted questions too me asking for more,so i did,now i posted on this forum firstly because it was about importing ph's so thats why i replied,didnt expect too get so much critiscm,but i do understand where u are coming from

[deegee]

As long as the people being sold any product are informed adults I see no problem. Also if you sell any products you should try to inform people about there usage which includes side effects etc.

as far as the legal issues go I'm with corrnfed on that one.

[Growth]

As long as the people being sold any product are informed adults I see no problem. Also if you sell any products you should try to inform people about there usage which includes side effects etc.

as far as the legal issues go I'm with corrnfed on that one.

I agree about the legal issues. People imposing laws on us about a meanial thing such as taking steroids pretty much sucks.

But when reselling these products to anonymous people, you just gotta have a bit of responsibility, steroids are not to be taken lightly, someone who isnt in the know could do a hell of alot of damage to themsleves, it not out of the realm of possiblitly that they could even kill themselves. I have no objection to someone who sells them to people who they know have alot of knowledge and/or experience with the products. I dont even object to the markup in price to some degree.

[deegee]

In reference to packages coming through customs, I have had them opened before and customs will usually put some tape or a sticker saying "inspected by customs" or similar. I have noted that this has not been hapening recently.

Not since the ban on phs in the US I usualy order once a month or so from the states (I just hate the prices of supps here, local guys just do themselves out of money due to thier markups)

Who here has either lost a package to customs or had them opened?

[Growth]

I imported various supplements, all have been opened by customs. The box arrives in very bad condition, all taped up etc. I have also had supplements seized by customs after inspection and have been served the 30day letter.

[Cornfed]

So if they open everything, how does anything they disapprove of get through?

[deegee]

I think it is luck of the draw a little, it depends where your package is coming from as well as to wether customs give it the full treatment.

I have thought about sending "something " with a few other items well packaged and see how it goes. I have received business samples through the mail from asia before with no sign of inspection. If it is just a medicine etc and a personal use amount you should be sweet.

[Growth]

So if they open everything, how does anything they disapprove of get through?

It is a bit luck of the draw. One time they seized the item, another time they did not. I think theyre pretty slack, one time i ordered to products, 1 was allowed, the other was not, the one that was allowed cam in small bottles and the one that was not allowed came in a few small bottles and a big bottle. For some reason they onlt took the big bottle of the one that was not allowed and i still got the little bottles. Weird.

I think its luck of the draw wiether or not they send the product to medsafe for testing. Thats what the man at medsafe said when i called him up anyway.

[deegee]

Its a shame that someone else can decide for you what you should or should be allowed to take in terms of supplements or medcine, at least you got some of what you wanted through. It can be costly trhoug if you only get say 50% of all your orders through.

[Batman]

Anybody here currently on a prohormone cycle or done one? I would be interested to know how it is going/went and what gains you kept after pct.

Have done a m1t + 4ad myself in the past kept good gains looking at another in the next few weeks, will see.

I am posting here because I know a few people who have gone down the prohormone track but seem to keep quiet about it, I am willing to answer any questions though even if yo haven't tried them, and I really would like to see this section of the board move a bit.

Hey there, I'm a new member and this is my first post but I'm about to start an m1t cycle but according to alot of the american forums I shouldnt even consider starting it until I have everything I need for PCT. Just wondering what you used? Also, can you tell me how long your cycle was and how long your PCT was too?

Thanks

[deegee]

I have done a 4 week course in the past, also one slightly longer . For your M1T I would stick to 4 weeks at the recommended dosage.

I would definatly not start till you have you pct sorted out, you might find customs delays and probs mean you finish your 4 weeks and no PCT. For PCT I have used 6 oxo in the past and got satisfactory results, it is good if you can get nolvadex however it is a rx drug, so not easy to grt unless you have a contact. run your pct for 4 weeks. Throw in some trib as well it is cheap to boost test.

Next cycle I will be using "rebound xt" cheaper than 6 oxo also going from blood tests results that I heard reported it is better than nolva( at fighting gyno and supressing estgn) and helps boost nat test also. I have some on order I will let you know if it gets through customs ok. It is actualy a derivative of a rx med but otc in the states so we will see what our friends in customs have to say about that one.

Good luck with your cycle. M1T can be harsh on some people, though I suffered little in the way of sides, so just be careful with the doses and see how you go. Let us know how it works out for you.

[deegee]

And welcome to the forum!

[jono]

for pct i would reccomend.. clomid.. keep nolv on hand in case of gyno.. i wouldnt start without nolv because of this reason..

6oxo is crap compared to the above

[Growth]

Never start your cycle unless you have your PCT products in hand. Use 6OXO if you cant get anything else, but if you can get clomid and nolva then these will be your best bet.

Good luck with your cycle, M1T can be more harsh for some people so start your dosages low and work your way up, get blood work etc done.

[deegee]

6oxo is fine for M1T for most people, it was fine for me, before and after bloods showed that.

clomid is good if you can get it though it is illegal to buy here without a rx.

Have a look at some of the new otc pct products they are now as effective as nolva and clomid because they are designed for pct they have been tested and proved for m1t and ph's and some steroids. nolva and clomid are for breast cancer and women who are tryting to get pregnant. Both are frequently touted in steroid forums the world over as the only way to go, however many people using these have both gyno and are permanantly surpessed and are now on hrt. They are not always effective.

Serms are not better because they are illegal. I just get tired of people like jono trotting out the same tired response "6-oxo and otc are crap" cause they saw it in a steroid forum.

Get some 6-oxo get some trib. if you can get some nolva and clomid get them too Get your post cycle diet sorted out you will need to up your quality fat intake post cycle.

Most importantly get a before and after blood test done to make sure you and your endocrine system are up and running post cycle, and if after all that and you are all fucked up and have breasts see your doctor and tell him exactly what you have taken. These are the risks you take when you get into steroids.

[jono]

6oxo is fine for M1T for most people, it was fine for me, before and after bloods showed that.

clomid is good if you can get it though it is illegal to buy here without a rx.

Have a look at some of the new otc pct products they are now as effective as nolva and clomid because they are designed for pct they have been tested and proved for m1t and ph's and some steroids. nolva and clomid are for breast cancer and women who are tryting to get pregnant. Both are frequently touted in steroid forums the world over as the only way to go, however many people using these have both gyno and are permanantly surpessed and are now on hrt. They are not always effective.

Serms are not better because they are illegal. I just get tired of people like jono trotting out the same tired response "6-oxo and otc are crap" cause they saw it in a steroid forum.

Get some 6-oxo get some trib. if you can get some nolva and clomid get them too Get your post cycle diet sorted out you will need to up your quality fat intake post cycle.

Most importantly get a before and after blood test done to make sure you and your endocrine system are up and running post cycle, and if after all that and you are all fucked up and have breasts see your doctor and tell him exactly what you have taken. These are the risks you take when you get into steroids.

lol.

you cant compare rx drugs to otc stuff. different world

[jono]

6oxo is fine for M1T for most people, it was fine for me, before and after bloods showed that.

clomid is good if you can get it though it is illegal to buy here without a rx.

Have a look at some of the new otc pct products they are now as effective as nolva and clomid because they are designed for pct they have been tested and proved for m1t and ph's and some steroids. nolva and clomid are for breast cancer and women who are tryting to get pregnant. Both are frequently touted in steroid forums the world over as the only way to go, however many people using these have both gyno and are permanantly surpessed and are now on hrt. They are not always effective.

Serms are not better because they are illegal. I just get tired of people like jono trotting out the same tired response "6-oxo and otc are crap" cause they saw it in a steroid forum.

Get some 6-oxo get some trib. if you can get some nolva and clomid get them too Get your post cycle diet sorted out you will need to up your quality fat intake post cycle.

Most importantly get a before and after blood test done to make sure you and your endocrine system are up and running post cycle, and if after all that and you are all fucked up and have breasts see your doctor and tell him exactly what you have taken. These are the risks you take when you get into steroids.

lol.

you cant compare rx drugs to otc stuff. different world

btw you cant "get breasts" .. gyno is fatty tissue under the nipple and can be removed via surgery.. but its best to try to avoid it at all costs obviously.

[deegee]

cant compare rx drugs to otc is the old thinking, some, and I do stress some of the new otc (in the states anyway) are just as effective at supressing estrogen and more effective in boosting nat test.

However to its up to you what you put into your body just do the reasearch, and decide whats best for you.

Ever heard of men with gyno lactating ? sad but true, if it looks like a breast and acts like a breast........ :grin: and i'd rather not have them what ever we want to call them.