Anyone ever tried importing PH's or Steroids into NZ

[Growth]

Has anyone had success importing stuff into the country? Im not trying to identify sources or anything, just wondering how many people out there have tried and weither or not they have succeded.

[samoht]

Well i was checking out a few supplements websites in NZ and the only one a came across is supplementsonline a few months ago the product is called SAN and i think it was estrodex not sure but check just in case. I think that might help you mate.

[deegee]

Anybody here currently on a prohormone cycle or done one? I would be interested to know how it is going/went and what gains you kept after pct.

Have done a m1t + 4ad myself in the past kept good gains looking at another in the next few weeks, will see.

I am posting here because I know a few people who have gone down the prohormone track but seem to keep quiet about it, I am willing to answer any questions though even if yo haven't tried them, and I really would like to see this section of the board move a bit.

[Growth]

Have done a m1t + 4ad myself in the past kept good gains looking at another in the next few weeks, will see.

So you succumbed to the dark side :twisted: :grin:

Im interested in knowing how your cycle went. How long was it, what dosages of M1T and 4AD did you use, what sides did you experience, what gaines did you see in both strength and size, what did you use for PCT, what it your first steroid and ph cycle, what other cycles have you done

[Growth]

Well i was checking out a few supplements websites in NZ and the only one a came across is supplementsonline a few months ago the product is called SAN and i think it was estrodex not sure but check just in case. I think that might help you mate.

And contrary to what samoht seems to belive the original posting of this thread was not aimed at finding sources.

[deegee]

the first time I tried a prohormone was just as part of another supplement mix so I discount this, the m1t and 4ad I took together probably about 6 months ago. The m1t 10mg 2 x per day and the 4ad 300mg 2 per day, both as per the instructions on bottles. the 4ad was recommended to me because the m1t makes you feel lethargic.

took these supps for 3 weeks along with some milkthistle for liver protectant. didnt drink alcohol, just ate good food and trained.

during first week only side i noticed was minor lower back pain, that went away in week 2

at the end of 3 weeks added 5 kg bench went up 15 kg all others up too, I certainly added muscle as other people noticed.

after pct lost only 1 kg lost 5 off my bench but with an overall gain of 10 I was not unhappy as before cycle I had been in a rut with no gains for 3 months

[Marcus]

So you gained 15kg in weight?

Have you found you're still gaining now after the cycle?

[Growth]

So you gained 15kg in weight?

Have you found you're still gaining now after the cycle?

Ill think you'll find he gained 5kgs lost 1kg, net gain of 4kg. I think the 15kg was in referance to how much his bench press went up.

15kg would an extreme amount to gain from a 3 week cycle of M1T and 4AD :shock:

So did you use 10mg per day, 5mg morning, 5mg night, or did you use 20mg per day, 10 and 10? What brand was the M1T? Have you done any cycles since?

[Marcus]

Oh ok, I see what he meant. 4kg is not a bad gain though in 3 weeks.

[Growth]

Oh ok, I see what he meant. 4kg is not a bad gain though in 3 weeks.

I agree, a 4kg gain isnt to shabby, especially since is likely most of that will be muscle

[deegee]

I am still gaining but very slowly, I was taking 10mg of m1t in the morning then another 10 before working out m1t was "power m1x" came in 10 mg caps

I was surprised at 15 kg in bench increase( kept 10kg ) it just seemed so easy maybe a little psychological too but I could feel the difference, it was hard not to overtrain.

some people I have heard got no gains and others just bad side effects, everyone reacts to supps in a different way I was happy with the results, yes I will do another cycle in the future I still have enough prohormones set aside.

[deegee]

no one else on here can relate thier experience with ph's?

[Pseudonym]

I would share my experience, but I haven't had any.

(That's not to say I won't ever try PHs, but I'm staying natural for as long as I plan to do NZFBB competitions)

I'm sure you're not the only one here who's "enhanced"... you're just the only one open enough to admit it! :pfft:

[Growth]

Just to rectify something, M1T is not a PH it is a steriod.

[jono]

Just to rectify something, M1T is not a PH it is a steriod.

M1T is a dirty little product, i would stay away from it.

[Pseudonym]

Why?

[jono]

Why?

m1t is very hard on your liver, large amount of possible sides, cant take it long due to it being so hard on liver, you loose a lot of the gains when you come off it, negative effects on cholesterol levels, and energy levels.

edit: oh yeah supresses natural test too..

honestly if your are willing to use AAS, you should be using injectables. much safer, the gains are better, gains can be kept more easily.

[deegee]

yes m1t is a steroid, it is also highly liver toxic as are all oral steroids. it is about knowing the risks and managing them. I have had blood tests in the past and have had a complete test since taking m1t. all my profiles are acceptable including test recovery.

the key is to keep the dosage low enough to be toleratred by your body but sufficient to gain.

when what i have of m1t runs out i will not look at getting more but to replace with something else less harsh on the body.

[deegee]

Why?

m1t is very hard on your liver, large amount of possible sides, cant take it long due to it being so hard on liver, you loose a lot of the gains when you come off it, negative effects on cholesterol levels, and energy levels.

edit: oh yeah supresses natural test too..

honestly if your are willing to use AAS, you should be using injectables. much safer, the gains are better, gains can be kept more easily.

Agree with you 100% there I have no phobia or problem with injectables and would rather do them than an oral steroid of any type. Availability is the key I dont have access to injectables I was however able to get m1t

simple reasoning

[Growth]

Why?

m1t is very hard on your liver, large amount of possible sides, cant take it long due to it being so hard on liver, you loose a lot of the gains when you come off it, negative effects on cholesterol levels, and energy levels.

edit: oh yeah supresses natural test too..

honestly if your are willing to use AAS, you should be using injectables. much safer, the gains are better, gains can be kept more easily.

:nod: Absolutely aggree there mate :nod:

Although orals do have there place and are often a stepping stone for begginers. Oral only cycles are always a poor choice when compared with an injectable or injectable / oral, but if you want to do an oral only cycle why not go with dbol? Its a tried and tested oral and when compared with M1T, you will see greater gains, the side effects although different to M1T will be overall less, and you will keep more of your gains.

M1T is comparable with anadrol when looking at the side effects of orals. They both rate 10 on a scale of 1-10 :shock:

[Growth]

Agree with you 100% there I have no phobia or problem with injectables and would rather do them than an oral steroid of any type. Availability is the key I dont have access to injectables I was however able to get m1t

simple reasoning

Availability is almost always the reason people choose orals over injectables.

A couple of cycles of M1T isnt going to do an excessive amont of harm, especially if you follow proper precations like you are.

deegee, whatdid you use for PCT?

[Marcus]

I'm curious to know what you plan on using once your M1T runs out?

[deegee]

started off just able to get 6oxo and some trib was able to get nolva just before i started so went with all three plus uping my fat intake. should havesome clomid sorted out in near future thats still a bit up in the air at the mo.

blood test came back good so I am happy with the way pct went

[Marcus]

Deegee, what are your stats?

[Growth]

started off just able to get 6oxo and some trib was able to get nolva just before i started so went with all three plus uping my fat intake. should havesome clomid sorted out in near future thats still a bit up in the air at the mo.

blood test came back good so I am happy with the way pct went

Glad to see your on top of your PCT game :nod: