Blood tests - (need help)

[samoan_muscle]

The most sensible thing to do would be to go see a professional who knows bout this kind of thing, starting a cycle and going on advice of forum members will only f*ck you up more after you've finished your cycle.

8)

ive already made an appointment to dicuss my results with my doc next week. ive researched quite a bit now so im farely confident in starting my cycle. its got nothing to do with this..incase your wondering.

this was just a surprise variable that got dropped in the mix..i gotta see what my dr has to say and what my options are.

im just asking people for advise/opinions on here as i know there are guys who have/have had low testosterone.

Unfortunately, most medical professionals are very closed minded in dealing with these types of situations.

[EMC]

The most sensible thing to do would be to go see a professional who knows bout this kind of thing, starting a cycle and going on advice of forum members will only f*ck you up more after you've finished your cycle.

8)

ive already made an appointment to dicuss my results with my doc next week. ive researched quite a bit now so im farely confident in starting my cycle. its got nothing to do with this..incase your wondering.

this was just a surprise variable that got dropped in the mix..i gotta see what my dr has to say and what my options are.

im just asking people for advise/opinions on here as i know there are guys who have/have had low testosterone.

Unfortunately, most medical professionals are very closed minded in dealing with these types of situations.

...this is what i fear

1) my doctor doesnt have a penis

2) only 5% of men diagnosed with 'hypogonadism' get treated-typically older minority.

what do i do if my doctor is hestitant to do anything? do i treat myself and begin my cycle with no choice, frequently check my blood or look for another doctor?

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if i run my cycle as planned without a choice this will bring up my test and should also bring up my FSH right? if im planning to run adex at a low dose eg .25mg eod this should control my prolactin?

[Pseudonym]

How long have you had those symptoms, EMC? Reason I ask is, I've just had the flu, and you've described exactly what I've been feeling for the last fortnight. I could feel it coming on for a week, with zero strength and energy in the gym, it peaked over the weekend when I felt like absolute shit, and it's taken me most of this week to recover. Is it possible you've got the same thing?

[AlBundy]

ive already made an appointment to dicuss my results with my doc next week. ive researched quite a bit now so im farely confident in starting my cycle. its got nothing to do with this..incase your wondering.

this was just a surprise variable that got dropped in the mix..i gotta see what my dr has to say and what my options are.

im just asking people for advise/opinions on here as i know there are guys who have/have had low testosterone.

Unfortunately, most medical professionals are very closed minded in dealing with these types of situations.

...this is what i fear

1) my doctor doesnt have a penis

2) only 5% of men diagnosed with 'hypogonadism' get treated-typically older minority.

what do i do if my doctor is hestitant to do anything? do i treat myself and begin my cycle with no choice, frequently check my blood or look for another doctor?

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if i run my cycle as planned without a choice this will bring up my test and should also bring up my FSH right? if im planning to run adex at a low dose eg .25mg eod this should control my prolactin?

Your doctor has to treat you, if not or she can't figure it out, ask to be referred to an endocrinologist preferably a male one.

Don't try and self medicate by taking any hormones.

[EMC]

How long have you had those symptoms, EMC? Reason I ask is, I've just had the flu, and you've described exactly what I've been feeling for the last fortnight. I could feel it coming on for a week, with zero strength and energy in the gym, it peaked over the weekend when I felt like absolute shit, and it's taken me most of this week to recover. Is it possible you've got the same thing?

im not coming down with anything like a flu or cold. symptoms have become very obvious the last month. 2kgs in body weight, weaker libido/erections, extreme fatigue in gym and mood swings. those are the 4 things that were very very obvious though there are some other symptoms that i have had that i thought may be related to other illnesses when it could have just been my test dropping gradually all this time?

i actually went to my doctor with the notion that it was related to my asmtha(only mild, exercise-induced) as i stopped taking my medication about 2 moths ago. i knew that erectile dysfuntion has got nothing to do with the cardiovascular system so i requested bloods. moods, dizziness, fatigue could have been a result of many things, infact i thought as a result of lack of oxygen due to my asmtha. with the erectile dysfunction and a bodyweight drop of .5 kg in the last week along with these blood results im certain it has to be to do with my testosterone.

ive been taking my medication for my asmtha for the last few days and noticed no change whatsoever. obviously some asmtha medication work gradually but some are also designed to instantly gratify the lungs by opening the airways. its kinda apparent now that it was never to do with cardiovascular.

[Marcus]

Hang in there man, at least you have some results now so you know where you're at.

Like SM said I wouldn't start a cycle if I was you until you get some of those levels back to normal range. Using AAS may alter them more so it's best you find out what the cause is before using any other substances.

Have you had an proper bodyfat test done? Sorry to say but you won't have put on 25kg of muscle in 1.5yrs you have been training. I found my natural test levels came up significantly after I got my bodyfat down under 15%.

Your prolactin problems could be the cause of your erection probs and mood. High prolactin and low test isn't a good combo. The prolactin is causing your dazed and confused feelings. You'll feel better once you get this under control.

Let's see what your doc says.

im around the 15% mark i was much leaner when i started though ive noticed an increase in fat per kg of weight in the say last 5kgs of progression. my gains werent all muscle, of course not, but i meant i was able to maintain a lean build for such a strong bulk. alot of my fat is on my gut as for my back/chest/legs and arms they are pretty lean.

i got a number of other tests eg renal, total blood count, thyroid, glucose, b12 folic acid and some others. because lots of my fat went onto my gut i thought maybe it was an insulin related problem? diabetes runs in the family. apparently my blood glucose is fine. i read that if you have low testosterone your more resistant to insulin? could this also be why im gaining more fat per kg now than i was before?

edit: addtionally if didnt eat for 3-4 hours prior to my blood test can this give someone who has insulin related problems a 'normal glucose' reading? or is the blood glucose always consistent regardless of your eating?

Is the 15 % your estimate or an accurate test? The reason I say this is because I was in exactly the same boat. I bulked naturally from 73kg to 91kg in the space of 18months. I thought I had minimum fat gain also but then got bloods back similar to yours. My doctor said want another 3 months for more tests. In the meantime after advice I went to see a nutritionist and my bodyfat came back a lot higher than I thought. I started cardio and got down to 13%. Got my bloods done again and test levels had raised and estro dropped significantly.

[EMC]

Your doctor has to treat you, if not or she can't figure it out, ask to be referred to an endocrinologist preferably a male one.

Don't try and self medicate by taking any hormones.

i hope so. i dont want it to have to go to a specialist as they always take months just to see you, let alone treat you.

are there any good doctors in auckland that specialise with reproduction and testosterone?

Is the 15 % your estimate or an accurate test? The reason I say this is because I was in exactly the same boat. I bulked naturally from 73kg to 91kg in the space of 18months. I thought I had minimum fat gain also but then got bloods back similar to yours. My doctor said want another 3 months for more tests. In the meantime after advice I went to see a nutritionist and my bodyfat came back a lot higher than I thought. I started cardio and got down to 13%. Got my bloods done again and test levels had raised and estro dropped significantly.

just an estimate. how old were you at the time when you had similar symptoms and blood results? it just doenst make sense after making so much good progress then all of a sudden being whiplashed then finding out im below the range at 20 years of age.

[train hard]

the mens clinic if you really wana go down that path if you got tested by them and got those same numbers im pretty sure they would give you testosteron replacement therapy but id try and find the cause before you go the artificial route you should be amping at your age shit diet causes low test high body fat / to much alcahol/ overtraining/ illness medical problems/stress hope you can get it sorted i have had numbers like that and i know how you feel goodluck

[EMC]

the mens clinic if you really wana go down that path if you got tested by them and got those same numbers im pretty sure they would give you testosteron replacement therapy but id try and find the cause before you go the artificial route you should be amping at your age shit diet causes low test high body fat / to much alcahol/ overtraining/ illness medical problems/stress hope you can get it sorted i have had numbers like that and i know how you feel goodluck

mens clinic are dodgey, i dont want to just be put on testosterone. i have test sitting on my desk right now. i want to be treated by a doctor/specialist. im hoping it will just be something simple, tough not many young guys have the blood testosterone of a 60-70 year old. incase there is something not functioning right i want to find out.

[EMC]

this is gunna sound dodgey but im gunna put it out there..

if your ejaculations arent as big and dont shoot as far is that an obvious test problem? this is another minor thing that i noticed. i noticed this a while ago, approx 6-8 months ago but thought nothing of it.

[thatwaslight]

this is gunna sound dodgey but im gunna put it out there..

if your ejaculations arent as big and dont shoot as far is that an obvious test problem? this is another minor thing that i noticed. i noticed this a while ago, approx 6-8 months ago but thought nothing of it.[/quo

i shoot less now that im on gear so i dont know if 'distance' is much of a marker for low levels :pfft: and the same also goes for quantity its probably slightly less now than before

[KRS1]

High levels of prolactin can lower testosterone production.

Talk to your doc about your results, he may prescribe bromocriptine to reduce your prolactin levels.

LOL No doctor will prescribe you bromo, or any dopamine agonist for that matter, to lower prolactin levels.

Are you sure?

http://www.familydoctor.co.nz/index.asp ... ns&A=32761

Bromocriptine

This has been used as a prolactin-suppressing agent since the 1970s. This is usually given as 1.25 mg (half a tablet) at bedtime for the first week. This is the treatment of choice for the treatment of prolactin-related infertility, as it is considered to be relatively safe in pregnancy. This dose can be increased slowly to a dose of 2.5 - 5 mg given twice a day with food to minimise side effects. Side effects include dizziness on standing (due to low blood pressure), nausea, and nasal stuffiness. Caution should be taken if taking other medicines for treatment of high blood pressure.

[Marcus]

the mens clinic if you really wana go down that path if you got tested by them and got those same numbers im pretty sure they would give you testosteron replacement therapy but id try and find the cause before you go the artificial route you should be amping at your age shit diet causes low test high body fat / to much alcahol/ overtraining/ illness medical problems/stress hope you can get it sorted i have had numbers like that and i know how you feel goodluck

I agree with this, look at all other avenues before going down the HRT path. Maybe take a bit of time off training. Get your next bloods done and if they come back off again ask to be referred to an endo.

[EMC]

the mens clinic if you really wana go down that path if you got tested by them and got those same numbers im pretty sure they would give you testosteron replacement therapy but id try and find the cause before you go the artificial route you should be amping at your age shit diet causes low test high body fat / to much alcahol/ overtraining/ illness medical problems/stress hope you can get it sorted i have had numbers like that and i know how you feel goodluck

I agree with this, look at all other avenues before going down the HRT path. Maybe take a bit of time off training. Get your next bloods done and if they come back off again ask to be referred to an endo.

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Overtrain.aspx

as much as id like to say "i dont think im overtraining", i do train very intensely and i guess you cant define what is overtraining, only your body can. i certainly could be overtraining..

i think i will skip my session on monday and go to my doc on tuesday morning hopefully i can persuade her to allow me to take the test again as i had not been training 4 days prior to this consult. i will see if there is any change in the results.

p.s bros - should i get my bloods checked at a similar time as the first test for consistency?

[severe]

The most sensible thing to do would be to go see a professional who knows bout this kind of thing, starting a cycle and going on advice of forum members will only f*ck you up more after you've finished your cycle.

8)

Members here have been suggesting going for further tests and seeking more medical advice. What are you on about?

And he has said he wouldn't cycle until this issue was sorted.

Your inner anger was wasted. tard

[ParnellPanther]

The most sensible thing to do would be to go see a professional who knows bout this kind of thing, starting a cycle and going on advice of forum members will only f*ck you up more after you've finished your cycle.

8)

Members here have been suggesting going for further tests and seeking more medical advice. What are you on about?

And he has said he wouldn't cycle until this issue was sorted.

Your inner anger was wasted. tard

:clap: congratulations, feel better?

[EMC]

hi guys,

just got back from my doctor. i dicussed all my blood results with her. my doctor was also worried about some of my liver results and some blood count results. my doctor dicussed my situation with an endocrinologist over the phone.

i should be seeing the endo in approx 3 weeks. the endo advised my doctor to get following things checked in 2 weeks time from today:

testosterone

free testosterone

SHBG

LFTS

(8am) cortisol

IGF

PSA

[samoan_muscle]

hi guys,

just got back from my doctor. i dicussed all my blood results with her. my doctor was also worried about some of my liver results and some blood count results. my doctor dicussed my situation with an endocrinologist over the phone.

i should be seeing the endo in approx 3 weeks. the endo advised my doctor to get following things checked in 2 weeks time from today:

testosterone

free testosterone

SHBG

LFTS

(8am) cortisol

IGF

PSA

See if you can get your TSH, t4, t3 and free t3 levels checked too.

[EMC]

hi guys,

just got back from my doctor. i dicussed all my blood results with her. my doctor was also worried about some of my liver results and some blood count results. my doctor dicussed my situation with an endocrinologist over the phone.

i should be seeing the endo in approx 3 weeks. the endo advised my doctor to get following things checked in 2 weeks time from today:

testosterone

free testosterone

SHBG

LFTS

(8am) cortisol

IGF

PSA

See if you can get your TSH, t4, t3 and free t3 levels checked too.

i already had the tsh done last week but never got the results as she just said they were fine. i checked up now on the results and i was 1.6 in a range from 0.3-4. i only got this thyroid test done, not the others.

[musclenz]

hi guys,

just got back from my doctor. i dicussed all my blood results with her. my doctor was also worried about some of my liver results and some blood count results. my doctor dicussed my situation with an endocrinologist over the phone.

i should be seeing the endo in approx 3 weeks. the endo advised my doctor to get following things checked in 2 weeks time from today:

testosterone

free testosterone

SHBG

LFTS

(8am) cortisol

IGF

PSA

See if you can get your TSH, t4, t3 and free t3 levels checked too.

i already had the tsh done last week but never got the results as she just said they were fine. i checked up now on the results and i was 1.6 in a range from 0.3-4. i only got this thyroid test done, not the others.

It was a good idea by SM to suggest you look at your thyroid values EMC because there is direct correlation between hypothalamus / pituitary & thyroid in many functions. I would say you are now in a waiting game until you see your Endo. Its interesting to note your LH & SHBG are looking good so you have the potential to produce testosterone but your body for some reason is not quite responding. It may well be a very simple solution that could be tied up with your diabetic condition or even in some additional supplication like zinc & magnesium. Don't stress sure it can be sorted. Good decision though to not go over to the "other side" just right now.

[EMC]

It was a good idea by SM to suggest you look at your thyroid values EMC because there is direct correlation between hypothalamus / pituitary & thyroid in many functions. I would say you are now in a waiting game until you see your Endo. Its interesting to note your LH & SHBG are looking good so you have the potential to produce testosterone but your body for some reason is not quite responding. It may well be a very simple solution that could be tied up with your diabetic condition or even in some additional supplication like zinc & magnesium. Don't stress sure it can be sorted. Good decision though to not go over to the "other side" just right now.

thanks musclenz

ive been supplementing zinc and magnesium for approximately 2 weeks now. ive had a break since last friday and will be back in the gym next tuesday. next week ill be back into the weights and will test at the end of that week.

[Beef]

It was a good idea by SM to suggest you look at your thyroid values EMC because there is direct correlation between hypothalamus / pituitary & thyroid in many functions. I would say you are now in a waiting game until you see your Endo. Its interesting to note your LH & SHBG are looking good so you have the potential to produce testosterone but your body for some reason is not quite responding. It may well be a very simple solution that could be tied up with your diabetic condition or even in some additional supplication like zinc & magnesium. Don't stress sure it can be sorted. Good decision though to not go over to the "other side" just right now.

thanks musclenz

ive been supplementing zinc and magnesium for approximately 2 weeks now. ive had a break since last friday and will be back in the gym next tuesday. next week ill be back into the weights and will test at the end of that week.

hey man howsit all going? are you back into the weights yet?

Beef.

[Specter]

Must be bloody expensive visiting your doc all the time for results...

[EMC]

beef back into the weights since tuesday.

specter visits arent too bad and blood tests are free.

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i got my BF tested. paints an obvious picture.

bicep:7%

tricep: 14%

behind armpit/back: 20%

gut...........30% lol.....

my overall fat% is 23.5. it was only a 4 point check he didnt measure my legs (legs are lean) so as you can imagine it would drive that high BF influenced by my gut down to roughly 20%

regardless of the numbers, they are not relative to anything other than how fat each area is. as i mentioned "i have lean legs and arms but a gut".

with the cardio ive been doing ive already lost 2 kgs so far. i think if i come down another 3 or 4 kgs ill be where i need to be. theres lots of fat to be lost in the gut.

after a reduction of calories and change of protein/GI sources and losing a bit of weight ive noticed ive been a bit more alert. ive also noticed ive been a little bit more happier/calm tough im still getting mood swings/irritability. libido has increased a bit gradually and getting morning wood from time to time which i cant recall the last time.

i suppose the results wont happen over night but i definately agree with the suggestion and advice of Marcus and his similar experiences with excess fat and estrogen.

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someblood results

my liver AST and ALT was above the max(not extreme) and now its come down within the range of <45(42,43) since changes made and 10 days break from gym.

my ALP was 136 and now its 140 so that hasnt changed(range 40-110)

my total bilirubin has gone up from 19(within range) to 27 ( range is < 21) so this has increased significantly after positive changes and reduction in weight.

can anyone suggest why my ALP is so high over and still hasnt changed and why the T.B changed so dramatically since the last blood test?

my cortisol and psa test came back fine and still waiting on IGF,free/total test and SHBG hopefully i get these results on monday.

ill be seeing my dr on tuesday again.

[musclenz]

Liver values are often elevated where high protein diets are in play