old fella - Thread Wrap Up

[Sifo-Dyas]

Those are some really good high bloods mate!!! I haven't seen bloods like that before. A mate of mine is right up there in the top level of bodybuilding and his bloods are 25% less than that... and he is a real freak lol.

I had a look through your posts to check out your doses and types, you are not taking mega doses like your blood tests seem to be saying? Are you sure you are telling us everything oldfella??? :^o :naughty: ???

I don't really know shit about how or why your test levels would be so high, maybe it is a personal thing and some people just show a higher test level than others on the same dose?? f*ck knows lol

I saw another post of yours about hgh. When are you planning to run this and how?

[oldfella]

Those are some really good high bloods mate!!! I haven't seen bloods like that before. A mate of mine is right up there in the top level of bodybuilding and his bloods are 25% less than that... and he is a real freak lol.

I had a look through your posts to check out your doses and types, you are not taking mega doses like your blood tests seem to be saying? Are you sure you are telling us everything oldfella??? :^o :naughty: ???

I don't really know shit about how or why your test levels would be so high, maybe it is a personal thing and some people just show a higher test level than others on the same dose?? f*ck knows lol

I saw another post of yours about hgh. When are you planning to run this and how?

Geez, would I lie to you guys? :roll:

From some I've talked to they are high. Perhaps my supps are over dosed. Overall it's 150mg per day for a weekly total of 1050mg. I wouldn't think that is huge.

Be good to see what others are at for the same amount, see some comparisons. Perhaps my body is storing it and not making full use of it. I have had comments that I should be a lot bigger than I am, but to me that's an age and genetics thing.

There's nothing else I'm taking that would have any impact on that. Do take Stanz tabs in the am, but can't see that having any impact. Then it's just Nolv and Femara twice a day.

HGH is after comps are out of the way. Another 8 weeks I reckon. As long as my old ticker doesn't give out first. :pfft:

[justhell]

Had bloods done last Monday. Still waiting for the form to come in the post, but rang them to find out my testosterone levels.

Testosterone > 60. Normal range 9 - 38

Free testosterone 2276. Normal range 250 - 800.

Nurse did seem a little puzzled by the high numbers when she read them out to me.

Prostate also checked in as normal.

nice oldfella,got some good numbers going on there.

gives me something to compare my test levels too.

i also got my bloods taken last monday.

still waiting for them to send results to me.

:shifty:

Give the practice nurse at your doctors a call and ask for them over the phone.

i paid to get mine done,dont want my doc to know this time. :pfft:

got results today in the post,looks good to me.

i scanned it but its too big to upload.

Testosterone >50.0 nmol/l 9-38

Free testosterone 1784 pmol/l250-800

sex hormone binding globulin 14 nmol/9-60

free Androgen index 3571 >400

so i dont think they gave me an accurate test reading,just more than 50.0

that was taken start of 7th week into my current test/dbol cycle.

since then iv upd my weekly dose from 500mg to 600mg.

feelin good.

8)

[musclenz]

nice oldfella,got some good numbers going on there.

gives me something to compare my test levels too.

i also got my bloods taken last monday.

still waiting for them to send results to me.

:shifty:

Give the practice nurse at your doctors a call and ask for them over the phone.

i paid to get mine done,dont want my doc to know this time. :pfft:

got results today in the post,looks good to me.

i scanned it but its too big to upload.

Testosterone >50.0 nmol/l 9-38

Free testosterone 1784 pmol/l250-800

sex hormone binding globulin 14 nmol/9-60

free Androgen index 3571 >400

so i dont think they gave me an accurate test reading,just more than 50.0

that was taken start of 7th week into my current test/dbol cycle.

since then iv upd my weekly dose from 500mg to 600mg.

feelin good.

8)

Good result. Many labs cant give a reading over 50 nmol/L so they give your > greater than 50. Main thing is bio availabe Free Test which anything over 1500pmol/L is good but will be somewhat dose dependant, how long you been on & quality of gear. SHBG is fine at 14 the lower the better as its not what BBers want in the mix. FAI is ok & again similar to FT. FT is a much better indicator of serum blood Test levels

[Chemo]

May I ask what FAI is?

[justhell]

Give the practice nurse at your doctors a call and ask for them over the phone.

i paid to get mine done,dont want my doc to know this time. :pfft:

got results today in the post,looks good to me.

i scanned it but its too big to upload.

Testosterone >50.0 nmol/l 9-38

Free testosterone 1784 pmol/l250-800

sex hormone binding globulin 14 nmol/9-60

free Androgen index 3571 >400

so i dont think they gave me an accurate test reading,just more than 50.0

that was taken start of 7th week into my current test/dbol cycle.

since then iv upd my weekly dose from 500mg to 600mg.

feelin good.

8)

Good result. Many labs cant give a reading over 50 nmol/L so they give your > greater than 50. Main thing is bio availabe Free Test which anything over 1500pmol/L is good but will be somewhat dose dependant, how long you been on & quality of gear. SHBG is fine at 14 the lower the better as its not what BBers want in the mix. FAI is ok & again similar to FT. FT is a much better indicator of serum blood Test levels

Awsome Musclenz,thats sonds good to me coming from you,

must mean the test is good,you sometimes wounder about the quality aye,even though im at the heavyest iv been and pushing the best bench that iv ever done,i just wanted to see for sure.

Cheers Musclenz

sorry for jumping in on thread oldfella(as it was)

[Sifo-Dyas]

Free test readings are a reading of the test in our blood stream that is not locked into a receptor but is available to lock in when a receptor becomes available. Or it may be converted to estrogen by the aromatase enzyme. :cry: or get bored and tired and just end up getting flushed :pfft: .

So a really hi free test level I guess tells us we have enough gear in our system to grow like f*ck and the rest comes down to how hard we train and how well we eat to make use of those insanely high readings!!! :shock:

So what is the other "testosterone" level? Is that how much test is bound in the receptors? I guess that would be governed by training maturity and genetics? If someone had a higher bound testosterone reading than someone else, would this be a good indication that they have more receptors? More mass? I will shutup now before my brain explodes with more stupid questions lol :? :-s :pray:

[musclenz]

May I ask what FAI is?

Free Androgen Index. Its a calculation using SHBG & Testosterone values.

Calculation: Free Androgen Index (FAI)

= (total testosterone, in nmol/L) x 100

divided by (SHBG, in nmol/L)

Its to find a level of bioavailabe Test but not as accurate as Free Test. They often do both which is rather a waste of time.

[genetic freek]

i paid to get mine done,dont want my doc to know this time. :pfft:

got results today in the post,looks good to me.

i scanned it but its too big to upload.

Testosterone >50.0 nmol/l 9-38

Free testosterone 1784 pmol/l250-800

sex hormone binding globulin 14 nmol/9-60

free Androgen index 3571 >400

so i dont think they gave me an accurate test reading,just more than 50.0

that was taken start of 7th week into my current test/dbol cycle.

since then iv upd my weekly dose from 500mg to 600mg.

feelin good.

8)

Good result. Many labs cant give a reading over 50 nmol/L so they give your > greater than 50. Main thing is bio availabe Free Test which anything over 1500pmol/L is good but will be somewhat dose dependant, how long you been on & quality of gear. SHBG is fine at 14 the lower the better as its not what BBers want in the mix. FAI is ok & again similar to FT. FT is a much better indicator of serum blood Test levels

Awsome Musclenz,thats sonds good to me coming from you,

must mean the test is good,you sometimes wounder about the quality aye,even though im at the heavyest iv been and pushing the best bench that iv ever done,i just wanted to see for sure.

Cheers Musclenz

sorry for jumping in on thread oldfella(as it was)

Does not take a rocket scientist to read between the lines in this posts :doh:

[justhell]

what do you mean gf?

[holdenman]

what do you mean gf?

LOL

[oldfella]

Free test readings are a reading of the test in our blood stream that is not locked into a receptor but is available to lock in when a receptor becomes available. Or it may be converted to estrogen by the aromatase enzyme or get bored and tired and just end up getting flushed.

So a really hi free test level I guess tells us we have enough gear in our system to grow like f*ck and the rest comes down to how hard we train and how well we eat to make use of those insanely high readings.

Based on a high free test reading it could be said I should be twice the size I am. I belive I have a good training ethic (sometimes overtraining) and have had no problem with food this year. 8 - 9 meals a day religiously. Also did a slin cycle for bulk.

I now question with such a high free test reading whether my dosage was too high? Am I just a very hard gainer? Be fucked if the reason is age. But it will have some impact in that it should by rights take longer for someone in their 50's to pack on muscle than someone in their 20's.

Might be time for a complete rethink after comps.

Any helpful insights / suggestions appreciated.

[train hard]

those are very high readings old fella it still comes down to genetics and you are probably a bit below average in that regard also take in to account your age one off my training partners is in his late fourties has very good training and nutrition knowledge takes the same stuff as me but alot more off it and i make alot faster and better gains then him still. Dont compare your gains to other people or expect to gain this much because so and so did it can end up leaving you feeling dissapointed. Just be happy otherwise its not worth taking this shit

[Sifo-Dyas]

There are a lot of questions you could ask but at the end of the day these readings have answered a lot more for you than it has asked.!!

Genetics only play a minor roll at armature level and you have the potential to get some good size on you even at your age.

Obviously the gear you are taking is fine so that answers the biggy! You say training ethics and tucker are all good so why do you think you should be twice the size?

I can add about 1-2kg of mass per year. I ain't huge...yet... but I have been giving it a good nudge for 10 years now.

You will hit on the magic formula that will work for you, and that is the key. I bet that in your off season your idea of eating well is close to what most people would eat heading into competition. And if you think you over train, you probably do and that is a huge hand break for gaining good solid mass.

As far as I can tell by the stats and information you have posted, you are doing great for someone who is over 50 and has only been geared up for a couple of years.

Keep it up. It took me 3 years to figure out what worked best for my gains.

[train hard]

yes you sumed it up better then me sifo

regardless off genetics or age everyone has the potential to be better then what they are now just gotta keep at it

[Sifo-Dyas]

Yeah we all have our own hard-luck stories, hell I could cry you a river about my background... :cry:

But its about who we are now and the positive things that have come from our training religion.

Oldfella is dieting and rite now is going to doubt everything...harden up and kick some ass. Don't cry over what other people think you should be weighing. just come in leaner. Competing isn't about how heavy you are, that is your hang up. Competing is about how big you "look" and how well balanced your physique is.

You have chosen to be juiced up and you talk of taking HGH, so set a plan. make sure you talk to people in the know about how to take the juice. Write up your stacks for the entire year with goals and checks along the way and make sure you are achieving your goals as you go and adjust your gear, training and food to make them happen. Don't just take gear cuz that's what you were told to take in that dose, eat what they tell you to and train 5 days a week cuz you couldn't imagine taking a few days off to actually grow!!! :roll: . You need to try new things all the time to fine tune until you get it right for you. Anything else is just gun-slinging. Growth without a plan is all just fucken accidental! Every ounce of mass I have gained I planned to gain and made it happen.

At your height if you are not weighing around 80kg ript and balanced on stage after five years of training juiced up then you can start wondering why!

[oldfella]

Yeah we all have our own hard-luck stories, hell I could cry you a river about my background... :cry:

But its about who we are now and the positive things that have come from our training religion.

Oldfella is dieting and rite now is going to doubt everything...harden up and kick some ass. Don't cry over what other people think you should be weighing. just come in leaner. Competing isn't about how heavy you are, that is your hang up. Competing is about how big you "look" and how well balanced your physique is.

You have chosen to be juiced up and you talk of taking HGH, so set a plan. make sure you talk to people in the know about how to take the juice. Write up your stacks for the entire year with goals and checks along the way and make sure you are achieving your goals as you go and adjust your gear, training and food to make them happen. Don't just take gear cuz that's what you were told to take in that dose, eat what they tell you to and train 5 days a week cuz you couldn't imagine taking a few days off to actually grow!!! :roll: . You need to try new things all the time to fine tune until you get it right for you. Anything else is just gun-slinging. Growth without a plan is all just fucken accidental! Every ounce of mass I have gained I planned to gain and made it happen.

At your height if you are not weighing around 80kg ript and balanced on stage after five years of training juiced up then you can start wondering why!

Thanks for that, you're exactly right.

[oldfella]

Todays update.

Ran smack into the wall on Wednesday. Thought this new pre comp diet was a cruise. Not anymore. Man did I feel like shit. Everyone and everything pissed me off. But, knowing this from last time handled it as best I could.

Weight today 80.5kgs, bf 9.8%.

Going anabolic this week and feel like we're chucking the kitchen sink at it. Giving myself 2 weeks to move some bf or I pull the pin. Not stressed if I miss out, rather do that than go up looking 2nd rate.

From today

Masteron

Eq

Tren

T3

Stanz tabs

1ml Femara (twice daily)

1ml Nolva (twice daily)

2 x Turbos (twice daily)

1.5ml Clen

ECA

Nicotine gum

And (another mood enhancer).

That should move some shit round.

[Android]

Todays update.

Ran smack into the wall on Wednesday. Thought this new pre comp diet was a cruise. Not anymore. Man did I feel like shit. Everyone and everything pissed me off. But, knowing this from last time handled it as best I could.

Weight today 80.5kgs, bf 9.8%.

Going anabolic this week and feel like we're chucking the kitchen sink at it. Giving myself 2 weeks to move some bf or I pull the pin. Not stressed if I miss out, rather do that than go up looking 2nd rate.

From today

Masteron

Eq

Tren

T3

Stanz tabs

1ml Femara (twice daily)

1ml Nolva (twice daily)

2 x Turbos (twice daily)

1.5ml Clen

ECA

Nicotine gum

And (another mood enhancer).

That should move some shit round.

Jeepers all you left out of that stack of compounds was DNP! safe move Oldfella, safe move.

[musclenz]

Todays update.

Ran smack into the wall on Wednesday. Thought this new pre comp diet was a cruise. Not anymore. Man did I feel like shit. Everyone and everything pissed me off. But, knowing this from last time handled it as best I could.

Weight today 80.5kgs, bf 9.8%.

Going anabolic this week and feel like we're chucking the kitchen sink at it. Giving myself 2 weeks to move some bf or I pull the pin. Not stressed if I miss out, rather do that than go up looking 2nd rate.

From today

Masteron

Eq

Tren

T3

Stanz tabs

1ml Femara (twice daily)

1ml Nolva (twice daily)

2 x Turbos (twice daily)

1.5ml Clen

ECA

Nicotine gum

And (another mood enhancer).

That should move some shit round.

Too much Femara & Nolva IMO. 1ml ed should be more than enough of both. Nolva tends to cancel out Femara levels a bit but I know some guys do use both sucessfully. Be careful of the T3 esp with Clen as it gets very catabolic on muscle in a calorie restricted diet. Even 1/2 ml eod (50mcg) may be enough. However, I understand your need to reduce BF in next 3 weeks. RU holding much water weight? Have you cut sodium out pretty much? Sorry I have not read all your thread so you may have posted thast. Good Luck Bro

[soundsgood]

Why cut Sodium now MuscleNZ?

[aln]

Salt is the last of his worries!

[nate225]

I'm not being an ass for the sake of it OF but you've moved so quickly from a first cycle guy a few months back to using a truckload of compounds. For interest sake what is your training history? 80kg at 9ish % caught my attention? I'm roughly 98 atm at 10ish% - I'm almost temted to turn to the darkside & see what I'd get to with that kinda stack?! :grin: Almost.....

[Sifo-Dyas]

Nice kitchen sink there oldfella! Agree with MNZ on T3, keep it light and it should be fine or run a little T4 instead. Never heard of Nolva cancelling Fem. Fem is an aromatase inhibitor and Nolva is an estrogen blocker so together they should get it close to near zero estrogen activity which will help the fat loss. usual comp dose of Fem is 2,5mg/day and up to 5mg/day so you should be sweet on 2mg/day. Is the mood enhancer another type of stimulant? If this does not melt the fat right off you, the problem is psychological. Earthquakes, home-life, comming out of the closet :pfft: and other stresses can put you in the wrong head-space for competing and if you are not in the right head-space from the beginning, no amount of chemicals or cardio will get you in good shape. It's a mental game....Or maybe you just eat too much fruit lol

[oldfella]

Just thought I'd clarify something as far the supps go.

I have taken advice from a very experienced, knowledgeable competitor that has won a multitude of class wins and titles. There's also a couple other experienced guys who have helped.

I don't have anywhere near his expertise so won't go off half cocked chucking things into my body I know nothing about. He gives me great detail on everything he recommends, but at the end of the day it's my decision.

He knows me and how my body has reacted to what I've used. I also train most weekends with him so he a bloody good idea of how it's all working.

I wouldn't recommend anyone getting into supps without advice from people who have been there and done it.