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[Optimass]

Did anyone actually read Terry's post where it said the Federation was now 40k in the black???? Are we ignoring the positives of having Moe in charge ? Would we prefer to have a Pres that was using federation funds to support his and his families life style and have no money left to send competitors to competitions overseas?

Based on the 2008 financials the federation was already cash positive. Terry mentioned the improvements made from 2005 .... Mark Stewart was president back then and in 2008 where the PnL clearly shows $1750 as being spent on grants to members - $14k being spent on awards - no doubt for competitors. (This was significantly more than the previous year) The fedration achieved 10k in growth in 2008.

Moe has the opportunity to set the record straight why hasn't he? What are the facts according to Moe>?

Why haven't the 2009 accounts been submitted? (not on companies web site...)

What good is making profit at the cost of member retention? (and credibility). Without a doubt Moe is a successful businesss man - so why has this all come to light?

[BigLou]

IFBB Constitution states

15.7 Notification

Any notification regarding suspension, expulsion or dissolution of a National Federation shall be forwarded by registered mail.

Registered mail means signed official IFBB letterhead & from the President or Secretary of the IFBB.

Not from a President of another country and certainly not from a President that doesn’t even hold elections for his position.

It appears the email received from Paul Graham isn’t worth the cyber space it took up.

If the members have a problem with the President they would have to call a special general meeting. Much like Moe did a few years ago when Mark Stewarts antics as President were questionable.

But you all seem to have forgotten that era of NZFBB debt & no one going to overseas.

There are procedures to go through for such a meeting which requires giving notice to all the members. Not posting something on a web site forum with a rash unsigned email.

So it appears the meeting that being called by the "dishonourary discharged" ex-president is a complete waste of time.

Who we really want to hear from is Moe & the IFBB President.

[bbgotback]

Did anyone actually read Terry's post where it said the Federation was now 40k in the black???? Are we ignoring the positives of having Moe in charge ? Would we prefer to have a Pres that was using federation funds to support his and his families life style and have no money left to send competitors to competitions overseas?

Based on the 2008 financials the federation was already cash positive. Terry mentioned the improvements made from 2005 .... Mark Stewart was president back then and in 2008 where the PnL clearly shows $1750 as being spent on grants to members - $14k being spent on awards - no doubt for competitors. (This was significantly more than the previous year) The fedration achieved 10k in growth in 2008.

Moe has the opportunity to set the record straight why hasn't he? What are the facts according to Moe>?

Why haven't the 2009 accounts been submitted? (not on companies web site...)

What good is making profit at the cost of member retention? (and credibility). Without a doubt Moe is a successful businesss man - so why has this all come to light?

I agree people who were promised money should get it as long as they were promised it by the acting President not another member of the committee without approval to do so. Atheletes should not penalized due to a dysfunctional federation. Also, Mark was stood down to save the federation and protect atheletes, Moe is still President.

[carlos k]

IFBB Constitution states

15.7 Notification

Any notification regarding suspension, expulsion or dissolution of a National Federation shall be forwarded by registered mail.

Registered mail means signed official IFBB letterhead & from the President or Secretary of the IFBB.

Not from a President of another country and certainly not from a President that doesn’t even hold elections for his position.

It appears the email received from Paul Graham isn’t worth the cyber space it took up.

If the members have a problem with the President they would have to call a special general meeting. Much like Moe did a few years ago when Mark Stewarts antics as President were questionable.

But you all seem to have forgotten that era of NZFBB debt & no one going to overseas.

There are procedures to go through for such a meeting which requires giving notice to all the members. Not posting something on a web site forum with a rash unsigned email.

So it appears the meeting that being called by the "dishonourary discharged" ex-president is a complete waste of time.

Who we really want to hear from is Moe & the IFBB President.

Exactly, so how did a NZFBB get changed to NZNPC?? (it officially didn't) So if we go along the lines of what you are saying Moe now runs NZNPC and NZFBB must be running without a president, as no official documentation has been sent out!! As you can not be a predsident of two different federations. So in effect has he lost his presidentency by running a show under another federation by default.

See mate, its a bit late to play by all the rules, as Pro-cards have also been given out. That don't follow the rules and regulations. Be careful pulling the rule book out for when it suits you.. it could bite back

[MasterTel]

Just to clarify a point I made regarding the NZFBB turning a $55K loss (in 2005) into a $40K profit - I didn't say the $40K profit is the current situation.

This $40K profit was the approx figure early last year. I can't remember offhand what the actual figure was in the accounts presented at the AGM last July, but that was the last set of accounts we saw. What the current balance is - who knows .. I expect we will find out at the meeting next Friday, when no doubt this and a lot of other questions will be asked and (hopefully) answered?

[Foubie]

:roll:

[trainharder]

Hi Amanda

im a amateur competitor and have done local shows as well as one national comp 2009 run by Moe.

il compete locally as the local organiser Terry Hills does an amazing job.

To have you say comments made here are not based on facts or are emotional are absurd

il never do a show run by Moe again.

i can give you a long list of reasons why all of which have been covered by many people so far.

i get annoyed that people can come on here and say comments are not based on facts when the people who are making them have had first hand experience.

[deeepsouth_nz]

Honestly....how many people does it take to say the same thing over/have similar personal experiences....I dont think these comments are just for 'shits and giggles'

[Foubie]

:roll:

[Loochi]

Someone post some siginitures... I still don't understand why we won't? If we have it, why not show it and prove it??

*In before I get banned lmao*

[Optimass]

Phone him Looch ....

Its the only way to tell for sure mate.

Paul and Carol Graham

Phone: +61 2 93898957

Mobile: + 61 410403530

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[bbgotback]

Better yet, contact Rafael or Jim Manion , remove all doubt. :clap: \:D/

[Loochi]

Lol, I'm keen to find out for my self... But not THAT keen to call up ... Don't you guys have the signed doco......

Just post it so people can be quiet..

[startinfromscratch]

[MOD EDIT: keep posts on topic.]

[wgtnmuscle]

and now the nzfbb site is up and back

[MasterTel]

and now the nzfbb site is up and back

..which is now the old NZFBB website - a new site (http://www.nzfbb.co.nz) has been set up ... see the new topic about this in Competitor's Corner! :nod:

[Optimass]

Last updated: April 6, 8.20pm

Under instruction from the Oceania/South Pacific IFBB Vice President (Paul Graham) with the support of other senior IFBB officials, a specially selected caretaker sub-committee will meet this Friday, April 9th from 12.00pm at the Quality Inn Hotel, 465 Great North Road, New Lynn, Auckland. The main purpose of this meeting is to appoint a caretaker NZFBB Executive to immediately replace the existing NZFBB Executive. This caretaker Executive will look after the NZFBB until the appointment of a new NZFBB Executive which will be elected at the 2010 AGM to be held in early June. All NZFBB members are allowed to attend this meeting.

Following this meeting, an announcement will be made on this new website with the date & venue for the AGM, plus details of the nomination and voting procedures to elect the new NZFBB Executive.

PLEASE NOTE, that for the time being the current 2010 Event Calendar is suspended. We anticipate that confirmation of the new official 2010 Event Calendar will be announced shortly after the meeting this Friday. Every effort will be made to keep any changes to current event dates and locations to a minimum.

Its an advantage to have the AGM soo close Terry. Was that co-incidence or planned given the current changes that are occuring?

Progress none the less ...

[Optimass]

Update: Lisa has put a commentary up on Gofigure.

http://www.gofigure.co.nz/doc/content/view/997/7/

This is accurate to what was discussed.

We are still waiting on the final report which we have been assured will be presented on Gofigure, NZBB, Bodybyjo and NZFBB.co.nz.

Based on my own assesment the general feeling in the room was one of wanting to get back to grass roots body building. There is still some work to be done around planning etc but essentially there are some key new faces that have indicated interest in bringing the fed forward which is nicely balanced by the old. I think if both sides can reach agreement it will be good for the sport in NZ.

There was obviously some talk about NZBB and the discussion on the boards. This is going to be inevitable as NZBB it seems has become an unofficial voice for many athletes and non-athlete bodybuilders in NZ. IMO you should have your say ... and so we wait in anticipation.

O

[Pseudonym]

And in an update to Optimass' update...

One of the discussion points of the meeting was that it would be good for the NZFBB to have an official voice on this site, where they can make official announcements outside of any debate that might be running elsewhere on the forums. Note that you're still welcome to debate their announcements - this just means the announcement doesn't get lost in the debate.

The NZFBB have posted the first of these announcements here:

viewtopic.php?f=10&t=8697

The same system is available to the other organisations as well - NABBA, etc, PM me and we'll set it up.

[Pseudonym]

Speaking through Lisa from Go Figure, Moe's asked us to publish this letter from the IFBB. There was no accompanying comment from him so Moe, if you're reading this, you're welcome to sign up and give us some context for the letter.

IFBB Official letter - NEW ZEALAND FEDERATION.pdf

Lisa's also written a report on a recent conversation she had with Moe.

http://www.gofigure.co.nz/doc/content/view/997/7/

Ever since the NZ Pro show 20 March I have been anticipating an informal chat with NZFBB President Moe ElMoussawi to discuss the show and how we could move forward. My particular area of concern is the communication between the NZFBB and its public, and of course event management of its shows.

I finally had that meeting on 17 April with Moe and Vice President Bronwyn Inglis whom I've met for the first time.

Over coffee we discussed how we could have better communication lines as in recent times there has been lack of information coming from the Federation on various matters. We all agreed that there has been a communication breakdown and both Moe and Bronwyn would like to develop closer relations with not only Go Figure, but other media and the bodybuilding community. In future the NZFBB will be more open to releasing information about contests and any information that athletes need to know.

The most pressing question I had for Moe and Bronwyn was "how will future NZFBB shows be run on time and efficiently?" Considering that past Auckland contests were delayed from between 1-2hr each time, something needs to be done so that athletes and audiences aren't frustrated and left waiting.

To this, Moe says he has put in place an events' management team that will be in charge of each show and he will not have any hands on role at any contest. In the past, he agrees he has had a hard time delegating duties and is often doing everything, which has led to shows running late. He assures me his team will be in charge of the entire prior set up and organizing of the show on contest day.

We also discussed the issue of compulsory posing in the figure class and whether the NZFBB is continuing with NPC style posing where only quarter turns are required.

Moe said athletes who want to do the posing can still do so. Except the class will be called ‘Fitness' and the previously known 'Body Fitness' is now called ‘Figure'. In essence it's just a swap around of names. This is to keep in line with what Figure is known as in the U.S.A. So athletes who don't want to do posing can still compete in the ‘Figure' class, and those who like posing can still do so in ‘Fitness'. The figure class can just compete with a 2 piece, as only the Pros need a 1piece and a 2 piece.

Both Bronwyn and Moe were very open to suggestions and we ended the meeting on a positive note with Bronwyn and Moe both looking to improve the contests and to disseminate information to the bodybuilding public, Go Figure and also on its own website on a more regular basis.

The proof will be in the pudding so to speak and I look forward to seeing the South Pacific Champs on May 8 at the Langham Hotel under the new event management team's regime.

Lisa, Go Figure

18 April 10

[AllenNZ]

This is from the IFBB to the nzfbb.

Dear Mr MacFarlane: In reply to your April 13th email we are pleased to confirm you that the IFBB affiliated member in New Zealand is the New Zealand Federation of Bodybuilding with Mr Moe Elmoussawi as President. Regarding the change of name of this association is an internal matter of the New Zealand Federation that has to be approved by the Executive Board. We already received a document signed by 7 members and we assume this is the current Executive Board of the New Zealand Federation. Please, reconfirm. Please, confirm as well if the bylaws and constitution remains the same being just a change of name or if there are changes in the constitution; please confirm if this is the case, which these changes have passed through your governing bodies. Best regards,

Marco Bosco

IFBB Legal Adviser

What I would like to know who are the 7 members of the current executive that signed it and whats with the change of name to what. Why dont they show as the letter that was sent by Mr MacFarlane

[Gym rat]

I am wondering about that as well and who are the current members on the executive commite.

[Loochi]

Let the thread die man.. :-s It's actually going no where..

And LOL @ some of the people who don't even compete who are getting all mad..

[Monty]

Just curious though, what will the federation be called:

NZFBB - NZ Federation of Body Builders

NZBFF - NZ Bodybuilding and Fitness Fed'n (as per letter head)

or

NZNPC????

(BFF just like "Best Friends Forever") :pfft:

[Gym rat]

I like that name what it said in the letter plus it has a nice catchy ring to it