To all NZFBB people HELP

[rose]

Always instigating eh Rose?

LOL! I'm an innocent bystander :grin:

I hadn't even posted in this thread before that, how can I be instigator!?

As you were :shifty:

[drizzt]

Let's stay on topic guys, leave out the name calling and what not.

This man is wise.

Please keep it civil, and on topic guys. No more name calling will be tolerated.

Thanks

[joeulberg]

I've been sitting back for the last few years and watched NZFBB slowly deteriorating from one year to the next. I have been competing on and off since 1984, that's right 1984!!! When I first become a member of the NZFBB, Mr Graeme Fong was our President I was only 15 years old at the time. This was the age when there was no other federations to compete against. I remember, Peter Hardwick was senior committee member and judge. He was also one of my mentors at the time he had a disagreement with the federation and it pissed him off!(I never Knew really why and what pissed him off), but enough that he went and formed his own company, another federation. This is how NABBA and INBA federation came about! I think you know what I'm digging at here. Yes its beginning to sound like sesame street and the muppet show (mind you I find it quite a big joke, really). Almost to embarrassing to even be proud of my six Mr New zealand wins that I proudly won under the NZFBB banner! If the Next President or the new NZFBB Federation is resurrected from this embarrassment, this person should only one agenda in mind...and thats to do it for the passion of the sport of body building and not for your own ego or personal needs.The Athletes come FIRST And FOREMOST! THESE SHOULD BE THE CORE/FOUNDATIONS...Anyway thats my view.

I, Like many other competitors in NZ compete for passion and personal goals which differ greatly to those competitors from the States, Europe etc hence the best possible president should be one of NZ made with the understanding of our culture and sportsmanship NZ style. I was not NZ born but NZ made like many others who have have come to NZ and are proud to wave the NZ flag. I Have a very successfull personal training business in wellington and 10 percent of my clients are actively still competitive bodybuilders, From all classes. 10 percent is still big portion of my business but more importantly, I keep this side of my business running because of my personal love and joy that I have toward my first love...the sport of bodybuilding! I do quite well without this side but because of my passion I purposely keep this side of me, alive. You never know i just might make a come-back...I am a very loyal man so i need a good and honest federation to compete under so i could continue my journey and win more MR NEW ZEALAND titles! :pray:

[Marcus]

Guys, keep this discussion civil please.

Bigballs, you're welcome to join the discussion but we won't tolerate personal threats. There's no need for that. You can add weight to this discussion, so feel free to back it up with your real name.

[Optimass]

FYI - all - lets also refrain from the personal attacks. Its of no concern what occurs in the private lives of both Jo and/or Mark. Some of the allegations being made have no relavence to the topic and/or are only speculation.

There is enough information here to support constructive debate and/or support of what has been presented. So lets all keep it clean.

IMO - if you choose to post this material you need to back it up in open terms and not behind the guise of an alias. Credit to Jo and Mark for fronting up in person. Big Balls - keep it within the realms of what is being disussed.

END OF STORY :nod:

[Optimass]

I have been competing on and off since 1984, that's right 1984!!! When I first become a member of the NZFBB, Mr Graeme Fong was our President I was only 15 years old at the time. This was the age when there was no other federations to compete against. I remember, Peter Hardwick was senior committee member and judge. You never know i just might make a come-back...I am a very loyal man so i need a good and honest federation to compete under so i could continue my journey and win more MR NEW ZEALAND titles! :pray:

Quality post for your first contibution Joe - Welcome to the forum and have to say ... if it wasn't for you I would never have started out all those years ago

[BANNER]

Don't call me Moe. Name the time and place and i will show you my lil balls clown.

we should have a ring for NZBB fights id def pay $$ to watch some of you BIG talkers show us all this action talk haha :pfft: :pfft:

[BANNER]

So what is your opinion then on the current state of the NZFBB big balls?

Moe the president, should not be running shows, that should be left to others. The whole point to this, was to raise the point that Mark is not as clean as he leads everbody on to believe. Gotta go train, Peace.

Ive heard as much gossip as everyone on here and I can see big balls point for bringing it up so now that has been aired who of the NZBB members will promote themselves as someone that can be both transparent and for the good of the organization? I almost think half the problem is everyone seems to be ass kissing who ever the most recent success in this lil country, I still remember all these Moe for president posts when he placed 9th, i know one or two people on here that are transparent maybe its time yous stopped nutting out from the shadows and start making our countries bodybuilding events something to be proud of. You'll have my vote :nod:

[bj powerL]

Damn... Didn't know Jo was removed like that... Low man... :-s

Lol.. Don't even know what's going on anymore with this federation. May aswell bodybuild for myself since I don't like NABBA

Perhaps think about the CH NABBA/WFF show, not run by the NZ NABBA of old it will be a fresh team with the competitors in their best interests.

[bigmd]

To ensure my complete transperity below is my "statement" also

I also ask Please can we keep this Post to topic so we can get best effect from it. To joe Ulberg, you are a true champion and your perspective is greatly appreciated

To Paul, Carol, Mark and all concerned members past and present of the NZFBB.

My concerns for the current state and the future of the NZFBB are echoes of the previous email sent to you earlier by Mark Stewart. The manner in which Moe and his current executive committee are operating the NZFBB is not in a manner which is becoming of any federation under the IFBB.

My personal and professional experiences of the way Moe conducts business have left me appalled and embarrassed to call my self a bodybuilder, and has after nearly 20yrs of competing and recently representing New Zealand in the IFBB pro League, made me question any involvement in the sport, coaching, judging or competing. This saddens me tremendously.

the following is to give a brief out line of my most recent experiences and concerns with the NZFBB.

My relationship with Moe as took a down turn soon after his election of president (of which i voted in support of him). a rapid rule change to the NZFBB rules allowing competitors who had NOT qualified at a regional show for the the Body Fitness Class (international Figure) to compete at the nationals in this class was made 3 weeks prior to the NZ nationals. This rule change was made to aid one athlete in particular so she could fast track her attainment of an IFBB Pro Figure Card. This athlete had been for a number of months been quite open that she was going to compete in the Sacramento pro but had not actually qualified in the class required to gain the Pro Card. "Moe was going to sort it out" was her response when ever questioned.

I challenged this rule change and was given little response.

At the national event I initially refused to judge the class with this athlete in it, on the 11th hour i did judge the class as i did not feel that replacement judges would act ethicly towards the other athletes by what i had seen over the hours leading up to the show. My actions were also followed by judges Leanne Rouston and Mark Stewart.

In a meeting before the National event i repeatedly voiced my concerns of the advantage the athlete had, the unprofessional way that the rule had been changed after most of the qualifying events and only 3 weeks out from the Nationals as to let this athlete get her Pro Card. Moe stated that Jim Manion had issued the Card and looking at me told me "Mike Mr Manion can give..... or REMOVE anyones pro card he wishes. You understand" this was taken as a direct threat to me and was seen by others in the meeting that Moe was threatening my Pro Card.

After the National event the Athlete in question only gained 2nd place in her class, however only a week after the nationals was given her Pro Card. This again I questioned and again was told to take up my concerns with Jim Manion as "He would be very interested in me challenging his decisions and disrespecting him, and would effect my standing as a Pro Athlete" Once again a threat to me retaining my Pro Card.

At this point i felt as the South Island Event Organizer (2nd Biggest regional show in NZ 2nd only to Kaye Onell's very successful CNI event)I would prefer to apply to run the event as a private Promoter, to give me a degree of Distance form Moe. At this point the NZFBB had shown interest in promoters to run events as Private Promoters anyways so i was reasonably confident in my application to continue running the show under this new format. I wrote to the NZFBB asking this to be tabled at the next executive meeting. I know this was not done and on the 2nd of January I was made aware on the Internet social web site Facebook that the show had been given to another organizer that has never ran or assisted in running any Bodybuilding Event, and they had been asked to run it as a private promoter. This person had been told not to communicate with me the change as the NZFBB would do this. It took me after my discovery 2 days (3 weeks after the NZFBB made their decision) to get a t

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xt from Moe's Chairman of Judges Brian McFarlane saying the NZFBB wished to take the "South Island Show In a different direction" when i asked what direction that would be as the South Islands had been one of the NZFBB Success I was given no answer. I still till today have had NO official notice of the change, and no contact from the NZFBB on the situation.

In January I contacted the Chairman of judges to find out when the Judges list for 2010 would be released. i was told in a few weeks. I then received an email in mid February stating the all Past and Future Judges need to apply to attend a course held by John Truman and Moe the day after the Aust Pro to judge this year. IF your application was accepted you at your own cost would need to fly to Auckland do the course, pass a test and then you MAY be selected to judge for the NZFBB in 2010. The course cost was $150 and we would also be liable for an annual cost of $150 per yr for the privilege of judging. The only concessions given to past judges over future judges is that our application to attend the course didn't have to have a CV attached. With no notice the course was not held the day after Aust Pro Show and was held on the Thursday before the NZ Pro Figure Show, even the new South Island event organizer was not made aware of this until the day before.

I was one of many judges that declined the invitation. As a judge from 2006 in NZ, Judging the 2007 Australasians, a competitor since 1993, a multi NZ national and overall Title holder,current IFBB Pro Athlete and event organizer in 07 08 09 and assisted Jean Scott in 06 to be asked to re qualify was an insult.

At the Regional events of 2009 athletes that were selected to to be funded to travel to the nationals were given a grant of $250 each. i am aware that at least 2 athletes from my 09 event have still not received their grant, this was to be paid to them at the national event. The two that i am aware of are also athletes the won their National class and in one case won the Overall Figure Title. Nationally other athletes have also not been paid and some of these are because Moe does not believe they deserve it.

On another instance our NZ overall Body fitness Competitor (Int Fig) has still not been awarded her Pro Card she has won the Overall title in 07 09 and runner up in 06, she represented NZ at the Arnold this yr and place in the top 10 in the biggest class of the festival, she was still not given her card at this point but was "suggested" she do the recent NZ Pro in the armatures "and then she will get her card" Unfortunately she placed 2nd (well out side her best condition but exhausted from her Arnold Trip) she once again was sent home without her Pro Card, when over the last 6 months we have had 3 Pro cards given to figure athletes None of whom have won an open NZ figure Title and 2 of the athletes have place well below this National champion Athlete (this athlete is known to be a good friend of mine and although is the person that has been asked to run the SI events has been given little assistance)

The professionalism or major lack of! at event that Moe has organized and run is making the NZFBB and the IFBB look like a joke. At the Auckland Champs in 09 the dismal display of professionalism lead to the show starting more than an Hour late. I was one of the Judges and the Guest Poser. we had Jennifer Gates as a Guest to the Event and Myself and a few others were left to look after Jennifer till nearly 2am when Moe finally arrived back at the Hotel 3hrs after the show had finished.

At the NZ Nationals the event again started over an hour late athletes told to be at the venue at 8am were not addressed till 10am. at the evening show moe turned up with the tickets 20min after the show was meant to start. the audience was still lined up out side 30min after the advertised start time and at this time no medals or trophies were present. Moe instructed me to just start the show. I refused as to place athletes on stage with no Trophies is an insult to what these people have been through. the nationals eventually started over an hour late and for many athletes the whole experience was a let down.

I didn't attend the recent NZ Pro Show but i was made aware that an advertised 10am start did not happen as Moe did not show up till 11.17

These are just some of many instances of unprofessional conduct that has been displayed by Moe, In past when Moe I'd speak to me he often commented on how he could influence results, whether this is just talk or fact is hearsay but not conduct becoming of the head of an organization such as the NZFBB.

The concerns of Moe currently conducting the Role of President, Secretary (was his wife) and treasurer, the lack of produced books accounts etc is calls fort grave concern and action. The introduction of the NZNPC is a concern as the communication has entailed nothing. so nobody really is sure of what this new entity entails.

I hope to see disolvements of the current executive and a re-election process. and permanent removal of Moe from the NZFBB or any other IFBB committee

Regards

Mike Debenham

IFBB Pro

Overall Mr New Zealand

Debenham Fitness Solutions

mike@debenhamfitness.co.nz

http://www.debenhamfitness.co.nz

ph 021 885212

[BANNER]

Well put BIGMD :nod:

[Snapper]

Joe Ulberg for President!! \:D/

[wgtnmuscle]

yes very well put Bigmd

now is ther any reason we cant get paul graham imvoled

as isnt he the vice presdent of the I.F.B.B.. (.i may be wrong )

[Peachy]

Moe paid for my whole dance group to become NZFBB members so we woukd vote for him :shifty:

[Optimass]

Moe paid for my whole dance group to become NZFBB members so we woukd vote for him :shifty:

:shock: post of the week mate ..... post of the week :nod:

[samoan_muscle]

Moe paid for my whole dance group to become NZFBB members so we woukd vote for him :shifty:

You and everyone else that voted him in.

[Gym rat]

Very well put Big Mike and that was a great post :clap: :clap: .

[carlos k]

I won't be surprised to see:

"IFBB Pro-Card available with any purchase of nutrigenix products from extreme nutrition". :pfft: :pfft:

Pro-cards from past athletes have been well deserved, they have worked hard for their status. Now it is a joke, you don't even need to win a national title, if you are willing to to bow down to the current president!!

A federation should be about human dignity, opportunity, equal rights and justice.

At present this is obviously not the case with the NZFBB/NZNPC - (Still unsure what the federatiion actually is at present).

[most muscular]

I recently competed in the pro/am show in Auckland. This comp was a complete farce. We were told to be on time and show up at 8:30. Moe decided not to show up until 11:17!!

Being dehydrated and hungry I thought this was completely disrespectful to the athletes and their families as we were also told that we were also led to believe we would be performing our routines at night however a last minute change by Moe that no amateurs would be performing their routines AT ALL! Another disrespectful decision to the athletes who had spent hours practicing and developing their routine! This also left family members and friends out of pocket as they had pre-purchased tickets to the night show expecting to see routines. at $50 a ticket this was quite a slap in the face.

Backstage there were no tanners as we were told there would be and as such some of the 1st time competitors didn't have tan with them as we were told we weren't allowed it. Lucky the boys stepped up and shared what little they had which showed great sportsmanship I thought. During the prejudging Moe sat up front with the judges which I thought wasn't allowed? He sat with a blond woman pointing and snickering at some of the competitors on stage in front of the adjudicators.

Lastly this comp wasn't a cheap one, others I have competed in were half the price. Yet the prizes were pathetic. We received crappy medals that fell to pieces. Now I don't like complaining about this sort of thing because I'm grateful just to have the opportunity to stand on stage but for a pricey comp where the athletes were disrespected and not given the recognition they deserve for their efforts I thought this was a slap in the face. Especially seeing as without any competitors there would be no show.

On a happier note, all the guys backstage were great and the sportsmanship shown between the guys was really encouraging to see as well as the friendliness of all the pro and am figure girls. In fact the quality in one of the men's novice classes was exceptional. Thanks to the judges who gave a lot of posing advice and encouragement backstage also.

[BigLou]

Yes Mark you do have big balls coming on here saying all that since you were the President that ran the NZFBB into 60k of debt for years while you and your wife still went on NZFBB funded trips to the worlds

And how did that debt get so bad again?

Weren’t you the the ex-president they (NZFBB committee) all kicked out for [MOD PARAPHRASE: improper financial actions] as president of the NZFBB.

But good on you for sticking your hand up again, it wasnt long ago this forum was running you down and praising Moe, how things have changed.

[mr natural]

I think Moes in the wrong job, I recon he would be better suited for president of zimababwe instead of the nzfbb.

[Gasp]

I think Moes in the wrong job, I recon he would be better suited for president of zimababwe instead of the nzfbb.

Moe Mugabe :pfft: :pfft: :pfft: :pfft:

[bigmd]

Yes Mark you do have big balls coming on here saying all that since you were the President that ran the NZFBB into 60k of debt for years while you and your wife still went on NZFBB funded trips to the worlds

And how did that debt get so bad again?

Weren’t you the the ex-president they (NZFBB committee) all kicked out for fraudulent activities with NZFBB funds and invoice and contra deals as president of the NZFBB.

But good on you for sticking your hand up again, it wasnt long ago this forum was running you down and praising Moe, how things have changed.

What about me??? Mark is not the only person with concerns!! Question for you the above aside. Is moe doing a good fair and ethical job? should he stay?

[1day]

its this sorta crap that adds to the reasons y im not in any rush to compete for nzfbb again :roll:

[mr natural]

I think Moes in the wrong job, I recon he would be better suited for president of zimababwe instead of the nzfbb.

Moe Mugabe :pfft: :pfft: :pfft: :pfft:

Its gotta nice ring to it !

yep wouldn't touch the fed with a barge pole right now