opinions

[PTinCHCH]

whats safest, most effective etc

been interested in this for a while. done a lot of google research but its all fairly limited due to not actual experiences, and more selling or opinionated etc

just finished watching Bigger, Stronger, Faster hahaha, awesome.

but yea, im not looking at getting into the real deal as of yet (want to reach my maximum potential naturally first), but never too early to research and weigh up options etc.

im a pussy and always been a bit iffy of injecting myself, however i understand its safer than taking it orally as it bypasses the liver? is that right?

having ruled out oral gear can i get some opinions please on injectable goodness :twisted:

what has lower risk factors, particularly for gayno gyno. (f*ck that)

what works best (i understand everybody will no doubt respond differently).

what is obtainable in NZ that is quality.

and average ballpark prices too please (if im not asking too much lol).

whats your opinions/experiences?

oh and what would be recommended for a first timer, starting off gradually.

please and thank you

[PTinCHCH]

i know its a touchy subject.

however its a hard one to get into and discuss anywhere due to the stigma surrounding it.

oh where to get answers when your genuinely interested, but want to be educated before you get into it?!?!!?

[Luigi]

plenty of sites out there with good useful info.

first cycle stick to test only.

[PTinCHCH]

plenty of sites out there with good useful info.first cycle stick to test only.

yes there is but they all seem to just say the same thing. none realy recommend anything or give advise. just general info.

hook us up a link bro! lol

and cheers, il have a nose in the test department

[Outkast]

what is obtainable in NZ that is quality.

and average ballpark prices too please (if im not asking too much lol).

It really depends where you are getting ya stuff from..

Human grade gear will always be more exspensive!

Anything in blister packs will cost you more $$$$

Prices vary..

Depending on your cycle its sometimes cheaper & safer just to travel overseas to do it then come back

Thailand is ideal because its cheap to stay there and the gear costs peanuts!

You can take whatever you want buy gear from any pharmacy and its not illegal.

If you know where to shop you dont have to worry about the product not being legit either.

[PTinCHCH]

http://articles.muscletalk.co.uk/articl ... s-faq.aspx

this is mint

JFG'dI

lol

[NZPT]

age, weight training history?

i recommend first cycle, 500mg test enathate for 10 weeks, 2 shots per week. Monday and Thursday injects. rotate gluts, quads, deltoids for injections. I prefer 25g 1 inch pin but draw out with a 23g, some people use a 23g to draw switch in a new pin and inject with a 23g 1 inch. up to you. smaller gauge=slower inject and smaller hole.

you will need 20 ml of test, most 10ml vials will run you 250-300 if you dont no anyone (that's ball park i hope this isn't against the rules) and you will need 2 10mls for you first cycle.

then post cyle therapy, most will recommend nolva or clomid. i have a different view on PCT so someone can go in depth with the nolva or clomid.

eat a ton of good foods, heaps of water. take a multi vitamin and enjoy!

hope this helps, if you have any Q's just ask, i wont flame you for being curious.

NZPT

[NZPT]

sorry just clicked your link, good info in there too.

NZPT

[PTinCHCH]

mint post, thank you.

what are your views on PCT?

it seems thats a whole new ballgame!

and an equally or even more expensive one.

im 24, been training for a few years. (sporting my entire life) alot more sports based training though. been weights training properly for only a year or two. thats due to lack of education on the subject.

im 98 kg, 15-16%bf, fit and healthy.

tight diet and training.

more looking at sports enhancement rather than just "getting massive".

is test the way to go for that?

also, whats the best safest way to avoid the nastier sides, like gyno.

lower doses?

or is it a hit and miss, genetics type thing?

cheers

[NZPT]

gyno is a genetically prone thing but certain substances will aggravate more. were you fat as a kid or have man tities at any stage in your life? if not then at 500mg you should be fine and dandy. :grin:

what sort of enhancement in sport are you looking for? test will make you recover faster, stronger, increase muscle strength and out put. all of which may benefit your sport. if your just plain useless it probably wont help though!

yes PCT is necessary so once you have a source and know what product to run purchase before you start your cycle other wise things tend to happen and next thing you no you cant get any.

my view most wont agree with. i tend to do a slow tapper off a big cycle over a 6 week period with test, then switch to a low dose of dbol then come right off on natural test boosters products clean diet high in whole foods etc. run some HCG if i can get my hands on it. during this period i still use a small amount of insulin post workout to help recovery and holding size.

sometimes depending on when i compete or what im preparing for i do a longer run on cycle so this helps when coming off for me. when i tried traditional methods with nolva or clomid i always became an emotional wreck like a woman at baby shower. bad acne etc was not good.

i am not recommending my way of PCT but works for me.

hope it helps

NZPT

[PTinCHCH]

nah, i was chubby-ish, but not overweight. never had man titties so algud thaught it was a genetic thing. been reading on it, it seems its very common with certain people and puberty.

anti es? are they the way to go? are they legal to purchase?

what about supplement anti e's? no good?

on the enhancement front.

looking to increase stamina, strength, recovery etc. all the requirements an athlete needs haha.

im not looking for a miracle cure, im fine at what i do, comfortably do it roid free, but if you can get better, shit yeah! haha

ok, and PCT has to be another strong steroidal type product aye, like, novadex xt, halodrol or other supps just wouldnt cut the mustard right?

and tapering right off to a very low dose wouldnt be suffice?

shit, it seems the PCT is harder to get ya head around that the actual goods. ohwel.

if you dont pct what are you at risk of?

just losing muscle mass is it, or are you risking hormonal imbalances?

lol love the emotional wreck bit. crack up.good shit.

another helpful post bro, thank you

[Chemo]

Hey CHCHPT, ive beenin the same boat for about half a year very interested in how gear would enhance my performance for sports and as a product my physique. It all seems great, but is it worth it.

I look at Urijah Faber and im like...yeah I want to do that. CHeck the footage at 1.10 ...bad ass :3

All the advice on this site seems to be quite uniform

Go with the injections, organs are useful for like...living n stuff.

-Test E 250-500 for 12 weeks (apparently if your going to do it you may as well do a full cycle at a reasonable dosage)

-An optional secondary substance, Dianabol seems popular

- Have a good PCT ready, Nolva or Chlomid

You can learn heaps by browsing all the "My first cycle" topics.

I think at this stage I want to see how a stronger anti estro would go, maybe it would increase the free test enough for me to see a difference, or HGH that looks like a good option but at what cost :S.

I'll let you know how the research goes, might hit up the mens clinic and see how dodgy they are too :3.

Thailand Muay Thai trip would be mean >:3 Never though of that would be hard to stay for an entire cycle though.

Good luck with the research bro

[PTinCHCH]

im thinking id like to start on a nice low dose as im just after the general epo boost, quicker recover and greater confidence/aggression without getting too massive,YET.

so thinking il start on a 250-350mg dosage for 10 weeks and taper off for another 4. so 14 week cycle.

ive been talking to some guys with plenty of PERSONAL experience with what i want to do and an anti e isnt a necessity. if shit did start to show symptoms of gyno id just rock down to the mens clinic i think. so no dramas there.

as for PCT, im fit healthy and tapering off, then jumping on halodrol or the likes will be fine for me.

many people say you dont even need a solid pct.

just if you want to keep gains such as size. which im not at all worried about.

hrrrrmmmm.

so keen and really looking forward to a run on the gear.

very interested to see the performance side of things.

[startinfromscratch]

sounds good, exept for the bit about pct. keeping gains is only one aspect of it, which is indirectly a result of kickstarting your natty production back up again. so even if you are not worried about bulking/keeping gains, do not take pct any less seriously.

some recover quick, some take aages, and the unluckier/worst genetics guys either never recover fully, r take rediculous amounts of time to get their shit working properly.

my 2c is, always to be better in having too much pct then not enough, youll severely regret not having stuff on hand if you turn out to be someone who recovers poorly. but its your gamble.

best of luck, you should log the experience!

[PTinCHCH]

sounds good, exept for the bit about pct. keeping gains is only one aspect of it, which is indirectly a result of kickstarting your natty production back up again. so even if you are not worried about bulking/keeping gains, do not take pct any less seriously.

some recover quick, some take aages, and the unluckier/worst genetics guys either never recover fully, r take rediculous amounts of time to get their shit working properly.

my 2c is, always to be better in having too much pct then not enough, youll severely regret not having stuff on hand if you turn out to be someone who recovers poorly. but its your gamble.

best of luck, you should log the experience!

cheers man. and yea id like to do a solid pct, however obtaining the correct gear for a solid pct seems more of a mision that the test itself.

i was going to go with just the supplement halodrol and see how my body responds. being its the first one i think il be ok.

ive got it timed where i have no direct requirements of training. ie, no sporting commitments for a few months after my first cycle.

thanks for your concerns. if i do find i can access a good pct, i will no doubt grab it.

perhaps mens clinic may be able to hook a brother up!

cheers

[matt.be]

sounds good, exept for the bit about pct. keeping gains is only one aspect of it, which is indirectly a result of kickstarting your natty production back up again. so even if you are not worried about bulking/keeping gains, do not take pct any less seriously.

some recover quick, some take aages, and the unluckier/worst genetics guys either never recover fully, r take rediculous amounts of time to get their shit working properly.

my 2c is, always to be better in having too much pct then not enough, youll severely regret not having stuff on hand if you turn out to be someone who recovers poorly. but its your gamble.

best of luck, you should log the experience!

cheers man. and yea id like to do a solid pct, however obtaining the correct gear for a solid pct seems more of a mision that the test itself.

i was going to go with just the supplement halodrol and see how my body responds. being its the first one i think il be ok.

ive got it timed where i have no direct requirements of training. ie, no sporting commitments for a few months after my first cycle.

thanks for your concerns. if i do find i can access a good pct, i will no doubt grab it.

perhaps mens clinic may be able to hook a brother up!

cheers

You should be giving as much weight and time planing your pct as you do your cycle. A good PCT will be a determining factor in how much you retain post cycle. Why wouldn't you want to keep as much as possible, and come on man this is your own body your messing with here. PCT products aren't that hard to find. Go to research chem site if you have to.

BTW Halodrol isn't going to do jack for pct.

[seascott]

Check out Pregnyl 5000ius. Once mixed store in 4 insulin darts ( 1250ius each ) in the fridge.

sounds good, exept for the bit about pct. keeping gains is only one aspect of it, which is indirectly a result of kickstarting your natty production back up again. so even if you are not worried about bulking/keeping gains, do not take pct any less seriously.

some recover quick, some take aages, and the unluckier/worst genetics guys either never recover fully, r take rediculous amounts of time to get their shit working properly.

my 2c is, always to be better in having too much pct then not enough, youll severely regret not having stuff on hand if you turn out to be someone who recovers poorly. but its your gamble.

best of luck, you should log the experience!

cheers man. and yea id like to do a solid pct, however obtaining the correct gear for a solid pct seems more of a mision that the test itself.

i was going to go with just the supplement halodrol and see how my body responds. being its the first one i think il be ok.

ive got it timed where i have no direct requirements of training. ie, no sporting commitments for a few months after my first cycle.

thanks for your concerns. if i do find i can access a good pct, i will no doubt grab it.

perhaps mens clinic may be able to hook a brother up!

cheers

You should be giving as much weight and time planing your pct as you do your cycle. A good PCT will be a determining factor in how much you retain post cycle. Why wouldn't you want to keep as much as possible, and come on man this is your own body your messing with here. PCT products aren't that hard to find. Go to research chem site if you have to.

BTW Halodrol isn't going to do jack for pct.

[PTinCHCH]

cheers guys.

will check it out.

my black market resources are limited at best atm so yea lol

might just have to rock down to the mens clinic and see what they can hook me up with for a pct...

[EMC]

is that you in your avatar PTinCHCH?

[PTinCHCH]

is that you in your avatar PTinCHCH?

yes i am Mickey Knox.

lol

no not me.

[EMC]

is that you in your avatar PTinCHCH?

yes i am Mickey Knox.

lol

no not me.

i dunno who that is.. what are your stats?

[PTinCHCH]

stats:

Male

25

98-100kg

14-16 % body fat

regular training consisting of 4 cardio based days P/W and 3 weights training P/W.

training at more of a serious athlete style level for only a year, however been weights training for 3-4 but sporting whole life.

good clean diet.

no medical history.

im fit and healthy.

keen to get serious. lol