Lower lats.............what exercies do you recommend?

[AlBundy]

pman your posts have made the most sense on here in a long time

to the others think of your muscle fibres like a light switch

when a light switch is turned on (load put thru muscle) the whole lightbulb (all the fibres) lights up not parts of it (are activated from the origin to insertion) you cant flick a light switch and say only the bottom part of the bulb will turn on (regardless of the exercise you do for the lats or what grip you use underload all the fibres will turn on)

luv.me.oats look at your pics carefully your lats sit very high on your torso giving the apperance of havin what you guys call weak lower lats when in actual terms you have a short muscle belly and longer tendons google some pics of bodybuilders and you will see the difference between the bodyshapes

I know the whole (feeling more when doing a certain exercise) I use to think the same until I studied the human anatomy just like those stupid pec threads that always pop up

your muscles are how they are all you can do is make them bigger stronger or more flexible you can NOT change the shape or length of a muscle no matter what you think

I'm a bit lost at this point. I agree that you can't change insertion points or the natural shape of the muscle belly.

My point is that some people don't develop good lats because they predominantly pull with their biceps. Just like some people don't develop pecs from pushing movements due to their triceps being the strongest muscle in the chain. Same deal with squats and all round leg development some people grow big quads some people grow big glutes, all I'm trying to say is that I think certain movements can help target certain muscles more specifically and that by mentally focusing on them when doing the movement you strengthen the nervous connection between that muscle and your brain.

[Beef]

My point is that some people don't develop good lats because they predominantly pull with their biceps.

:nod: this is true. but there's ways to activate the lats instead of pulling with the biceps

[musclenz]

pman your posts have made the most sense on here in a long time

to the others think of your muscle fibres like a light switch

when a light switch is turned on (load put thru muscle) the whole lightbulb (all the fibres) lights up not parts of it (are activated from the origin to insertion) you cant flick a light switch and say only the bottom part of the bulb will turn on (regardless of the exercise you do for the lats or what grip you use underload all the fibres will turn on)

luv.me.oats look at your pics carefully your lats sit very high on your torso giving the apperance of havin what you guys call weak lower lats when in actual terms you have a short muscle belly and longer tendons google some pics of bodybuilders and you will see the difference between the bodyshapes

I know the whole (feeling more when doing a certain exercise) I use to think the same until I studied the human anatomy just like those stupid pec threads that always pop up

your muscles are how they are all you can do is make them bigger stronger or more flexible you can NOT change the shape or length of a muscle no matter what you think

I'm a bit lost at this point. I agree that you can't change insertion points or the natural shape of the muscle belly.

My point is that some people don't develop good lats because they predominantly pull with their biceps. Just like some people don't develop pecs from pushing movements due to their triceps being the strongest muscle in the chain. Same deal with squats and all round leg development some people grow big quads some people grow big glutes, all I'm trying to say is that I think certain movements can help target certain muscles more specifically and that by mentally focusing on them when doing the movement you strengthen the nervous connection between that muscle and your brain.

Hmmm now this is getting into another very interesting realm. Esoteric Metaphysics. The movement of energy between the physical & the etheric body.

[trainharder]

im probably going to get roasted here but who cares

i have a problem with lower lat development as well as my lats insert maybe half way up my back getting the upper back impressive is not a problem.

but if there is no muscle in the lower area its impossible to build muscle there

you can build muscle where you already have some and if your lats insert higher you can only develop what you have.

i read an article recently by a pro who was always being critisized by his lower lats and he basically tried everything with no success and in the end basically works with what he has ie his lats being higher up.

everyone has a different shape and symetry in there lats so this isnt the same for everyone.

but for me i know this is the case.

[Mrbig]

pman your posts have made the most sense on here in a long time

to the others think of your muscle fibres like a light switch

when a light switch is turned on (load put thru muscle) the whole lightbulb (all the fibres) lights up not parts of it (are activated from the origin to insertion) you cant flick a light switch and say only the bottom part of the bulb will turn on (regardless of the exercise you do for the lats or what grip you use underload all the fibres will turn on)

luv.me.oats look at your pics carefully your lats sit very high on your torso giving the apperance of havin what you guys call weak lower lats when in actual terms you have a short muscle belly and longer tendons google some pics of bodybuilders and you will see the difference between the bodyshapes

I know the whole (feeling more when doing a certain exercise) I use to think the same until I studied the human anatomy just like those stupid pec threads that always pop up

your muscles are how they are all you can do is make them bigger stronger or more flexible you can NOT change the shape or length of a muscle no matter what you think

I'm a bit lost at this point. I agree that you can't change insertion points or the natural shape of the muscle belly.

My point is that some people don't develop good lats because they predominantly pull with their biceps. Just like some people don't develop pecs from pushing movements due to their triceps being the strongest muscle in the chain. Same deal with squats and all round leg development some people grow big quads some people grow big glutes, all I'm trying to say is that I think certain movements can help target certain muscles more specifically and that by mentally focusing on them when doing the movement you strengthen the nervous connection between that muscle and your brain.

you are right in the aspect that some bodyparts will grow quicker than others just like when burning fat it will fall off where it wants to you cant make it fall off only 1 place

but when it comes to movements it is impossible to only work 1 single muscle even in a bicep curl you use around 10 different muscles if not more to preform the exercise just as with rowing movements and pulling exercises it takes more than just a lat to do it

It would be friggin awesome to be able to make theses soughts of changes to our bodys but we cant so all we can do is like I said before

Lift heavy weights with great form eat right and you genetics will do the rest

[AlBundy]

I never mentioned or tried to imply you can fully isolate the muscle. I understand what you are saying, I'm agreeing with it mostly. What I'm saying isn't esoteric, I think we are on the same page here, all I was saying was that form can determine a muscles involvement in the movement so by doing a movement a certain way you can stress certain muscles harder while minimizing involvement from others. What I mean is you find the correct movement then you get a barbell put whatever weight you feel is heavy enough on it and start cranking reps. From there it will either grow or it wont. As you said, you have to hope your genetics will work with it. I still think that focusing on the movement instead of just going through the movement is beneficial.

:nod: this is true. but there's ways to activate the lats instead of pulling with the biceps

Isn't that what I said? That's my whole point.

[Mrbig]

yea for sure form always has to peferct or your right other muscles that you dont want to involve will take over which could lead to injury

but yea do what ever exercise you love the most and go nuts

[ThePman]

It really seems like most of this discussion is misunderstanding, honestly. There's two different points being argued:

* Shaping an individual muscle. Just due to the properties of muscle tissue and how force is generated within it, that's not likely happening; and if it is, it's a rather small effect that would only turn up with a large muscle.

* Activating specific muscles in training in order to emphasize them. In comparison, you can manipulate your exercises to emphasize some muscles over others, which can impact visual appearance. This is where the "mind-muscle connection" would come into the picture, and I actually agree that this is important.

These points don't actually disagree with each other. Thus science can still co-exist with our bodybuilders :wink:

[rose]

Thus science can still co-exist with our bodybuilders :wink:

Blasphemy! Burn him! :pfft:

[BigRunna]

It would be friggin awesome to be able to make theses soughts of changes to our bodys but we cant so all we can do is like I said before

Lift heavy weights with great form eat right and you genetics will do the rest

I totally agree.

Come on guys this is bodybuilding, stick with the simple stuff there's no reason to over think this. It's more important to sort out nutrition or form.

[Pete_S]

Exercises for lower lat development are any row that pulls into the lower abdomen. My favourite is low pull rows but bent over rows to below belly button work very well also.

[genetic freek]

Exercises for lower lat development are any row that pulls into the lower abdomen. My favourite is low pull rows but bent over rows to below belly button work very well also.

Ditto!