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Ok i hate being the annoying person to ask questions but i feel this time i have to.

Im 19

6 ft 1

Ive only gained 7kg in two years probably lifting for 1.

My problem is currently i have plateaued at 77kg very lean for my height. I am getting stronger very slowly just hit 100kg bench good form for the first time last week and can do 25 good form pull ups but for some reason i just cannot get bigger.

Ive even tried taking mass gainer supplements and that does shit all to be honest, the only thing that helps me is creatine but im thinking i may give my body a rest from it for a while.

I need some advice on what i should do now and what others have done. I think i just need to stop caring about abs and cardio and start eating to get big even if that means getting fatter

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You'll need to look at a couple of things - (1) what's your diet like? Are you getting enough calories/types of calories. (2) what's your training like? Splits, reps, rest etc..

Why don't you post up what you've been doing and what your diet roughly looks like.

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Ive even tried taking mass gainer supplements and that does shit all to be honest, the only thing that helps me is creatine but im thinking i may give my body a rest from it for a while.

I think i just need to stop caring about abs and cardio and start eating to get big even if that means getting fatter

Mass gainers aren't ness the key to quality weight gain. If thats your goal you may want to re-think the amount of cardio you are doing (assuming its significant) and most certainly your nutrition would be lacking in calories.

IMO you need to focus on either weight gain or fat loss within your routine and nutro plan. You can certainly do both at the same time but balancing your overall plan to give focus to a particular result, both nutritionally and physically will get a more efficient result.

Like Trudes has pointed out there are a lot of variables.

A Personal trainer can help you overcome a lot of the planning and guess work to save you some time. Definately worth the investment.

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My first question would be do you roughly know how many calories you're eating, because if you don't, you're likely not eating enough and thus have stalled. 77kg at 6 foot 1 is underweight IMO so I'd bet money on calories.

Yeah there are other factors (like too much cardio), but the majority of times, it's lack of calories holding you back. You might think you're eating enough when in fact you're not.

You don't need a PT to figure out how much to eat vs how much you are eating. It takes a small amount of time initially but is worth the effort because it puts you in control. You won't have to keep paying a PT to adjust things for you if/when your requirements change, presuming the PT you select has enough knowledge re nutrition to help you. It pays to bear in mind that many don't.

And yeah you will likely see your abs disappear a bit. But you're either gaining or cutting. Both at the same time doesn't really work.

Calculating Daily Calories

Find foods on Nutrition Data

After calculating your maintenance calories, bear in mind you need to eat more than that to support growth, and if you're a skinny "hardgainer" then much more.

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There was this dude who trained there who could just put on weight like &*(ing magic. He'd go from 198 to 308 and then to 275 and back down to 198. And he was never fat. It was amazing.

I finally asked him one day how he did it.

"You mean I never told you the secret to gaining weight? Come outside and I'll fill you in."

Now remember, we're at Westside Barbell. And this guy wants to go outside to talk so no one else can hear. Think about that for a minute. What the hell is he going to tell me? This must be some serious shit if we have to go outside, I thought.

So we get outside and he starts talking.

"For breakfast you need to eat four of those breakfast sandwiches from McDonalds. I don't care which ones you get, but make sure to get four. Order four hash browns, too. Now grab two packs of mayonnaise and put them on the hash browns and then slip them into the sandwiches. Squish that %^&it down and eat. That's your breakfast."

At this point I'm thinking this guy is nuts. But he's completely serious.

"For lunch you're gonna eat Chinese food. Now I don't want you eating that crappy stuff. You wanna get the stuff with MSG. None of that non-MSG bull. I don't care what you eat but you have to sit down and eat for at least 45 minutes straight. You can't let go of the fork. Eat until your eyes swell up and become slits and you start to look like the woman behind the counter."

"For dinner you're gonna order an extra-large pizza with everything on it. Literally everything. If you don't like sardines, don't put 'em on, but anything else that you like you have to load it on there. After you pay the delivery guy, I want you to take the pie to your coffee table, open that f*cker up, and grab a bottle of oil. It can be olive oil, canola oil, whatever. Anything but motor oil. And I want you to pour that shit over the pie until half of the bottle is gone. Just soak the shit out of it."

"Now before you lay into it, I want you to sit on your couch and just stare at that r&*($$. I want you to understand that that pizza right there is keeping you from your goals."

This guy is in a zen-like state when he's talking about this.

"Now you're on the clock," he continues. "After 20 minutes your brain is going to tell you you're full. Don't listen to that shit. You have to try and eat as much of the pizza as you can before that 20-minute mark. Double up pieces if you have to. I'm telling you now, you're going to get three or four pieces in and you're gonna want to quit. You @##% can't quit. You have to sit on that couch until every piece is done.

And if you can't finish it, don't you ever come back to me and tell me you can't gain weight. 'Cause I'm gonna tell you that you don't give a #$%^ about getting bigger and you don't care how much you lift!"

Did I do it? Hell yeah. Started the next day and did it for two months. Went from 260 pounds to 297 pounds. And I didn't get much fatter. One of the hardest things I've ever done in my life, though.

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There was this dude who trained there who could just put on weight like &*(ing magic. He'd go from 198 to 308 and then to 275 and back down to 198. And he was never fat. It was amazing.

I finally asked him one day how he did it.

"You mean I never told you the secret to gaining weight? Come outside and I'll fill you in."

Now remember, we're at Westside Barbell. And this guy wants to go outside to talk so no one else can hear. Think about that for a minute. What the hell is he going to tell me? This must be some serious shit if we have to go outside, I thought.

So we get outside and he starts talking.

"For breakfast you need to eat four of those breakfast sandwiches from McDonalds. I don't care which ones you get, but make sure to get four. Order four hash browns, too. Now grab two packs of mayonnaise and put them on the hash browns and then slip them into the sandwiches. Squish that %^&it down and eat. That's your breakfast."

At this point I'm thinking this guy is nuts. But he's completely serious.

"For lunch you're gonna eat Chinese food. Now I don't want you eating that crappy stuff. You wanna get the stuff with MSG. None of that non-MSG bull. I don't care what you eat but you have to sit down and eat for at least 45 minutes straight. You can't let go of the fork. Eat until your eyes swell up and become slits and you start to look like the woman behind the counter."

"For dinner you're gonna order an extra-large pizza with everything on it. Literally everything. If you don't like sardines, don't put 'em on, but anything else that you like you have to load it on there. After you pay the delivery guy, I want you to take the pie to your coffee table, open that f*cker up, and grab a bottle of oil. It can be olive oil, canola oil, whatever. Anything but motor oil. And I want you to pour that shit over the pie until half of the bottle is gone. Just soak the shit out of it."

"Now before you lay into it, I want you to sit on your couch and just stare at that r&*($$. I want you to understand that that pizza right there is keeping you from your goals."

This guy is in a zen-like state when he's talking about this.

"Now you're on the clock," he continues. "After 20 minutes your brain is going to tell you you're full. Don't listen to that shit. You have to try and eat as much of the pizza as you can before that 20-minute mark. Double up pieces if you have to. I'm telling you now, you're going to get three or four pieces in and you're gonna want to quit. You @##% can't quit. You have to sit on that couch until every piece is done.

And if you can't finish it, don't you ever come back to me and tell me you can't gain weight. 'Cause I'm gonna tell you that you don't give a #$%^ about getting bigger and you don't care how much you lift!"

Did I do it? Hell yeah. Started the next day and did it for two months. Went from 260 pounds to 297 pounds. And I didn't get much fatter. One of the hardest things I've ever done in my life, though.

^^this

"grab a bottle of oil. It can be olive oil, canola oil, whatever. Anything but motor oil. And I want you to pour that shit over the pie until half of the bottle is gone. Just soak the shit out of it."

:lol::lol:

some of this story is sad but so true :P ....eating is like another fulltime job.

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Alright then i definitly know whats wrong then and its food quite simply. Ideally i wanna be around 85kg so i think the next 6 months ill dedicate to just eating eating and more eating and stop cardio all together. I think my body will react good to this method as it will be like ive been on a diet.

Thanks guys

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My 3c, I notcied a huge difrince in the scales by consuming meals @ 2hour intervals compared to the origonal 3-4hour periods.

Like you I platued on the scale, but now my first 5meals are 2hours apart no execption and scales r up another 8-9kg.

So Ill stuff my face with meat and potaoes then swollow lots of milk X5, then a preworkout then a post workout then a meal then a pre bed.

I play cricket, so Im running around alot some days @ training or on saturday.

So I get Big Macs @ Quarterpounders and mayb sum cheese burgers those days to help me along the way

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If you think you have a fast metabolism space your meals further apart to slow that sucker down. Altho dont do it too long or else youll get fat fast :P

Also try 4l of whole milk, a dozen eggs plus half a kg of red meat aday plus whatever else you want. It helped me go from 70kg to 105 within 11months.

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All the answers to your problems are found on this page:

http://70sbig.com/?page_id=7

What do I eat?

Anything that has a face and can run/swim/fly away from you. Anything that comes from such animals. Pretty much anything that grew in the ground, on a vine, or in a tree. Use some common sense, but select the most caloric dense items you can find.

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Ok i hate being the annoying person to ask questions but i feel this time i have to.

Im 19

6 ft 1

Ive only gained 7kg in two years probably lifting for 1.

My problem is currently i have plateaued at 77kg very lean for my height. I am getting stronger very slowly just hit 100kg bench good form for the first time last week and can do 25 good form pull ups but for some reason i just cannot get bigger.

Ive even tried taking mass gainer supplements and that does shit all to be honest, the only thing that helps me is creatine but im thinking i may give my body a rest from it for a while.

I need some advice on what i should do now and what others have done. I think i just need to stop caring about abs and cardio and start eating to get big even if that means getting fatter

First of all a 7 kg gain in 2 years is quite alot add it up if you can put on 3.5 kg every year will be huge by the time you are 29 , if you put on 30lbs in a couple of months most of it will be fat , try and eat 5 to 6 quality meals a day and most of all dont over train , muscle doesnt grow in the gym , try the old dorian yates low set training , real good for strength and size and limit cardio to 3 20 to 30 min sessions a week . If you put on so much weight you feel tired all the time you are prob just fat , i used to get up close to 240lbs at a height of 5 foot 6 felt huge just looked fat . Building muscle takes time and we all hit fustrating sticking points , train hard and eat well and dont give up and you will improve.

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Hey bro im assuming you are one of those hardgainers ecto bodytype, gaining weight is very possible just eat hardout, i've seen quite a few mates going from stick to buff just like that.

There are a lot of weight gain diet guidelines for ectos and mesos but the unfortunate group is endo we eat too much we get fat, we dont eat too much we dont get big. Ahh!

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It'll cost ya some dollars! Eat heaps of quality food. You may still be developing so dont get too pissed if you dont gain rapidly. Sounds like your metobolic rate is fast any way so youll realy have to eat alot. Up the muscle fatiguing. Low hard reps. Dont get dis-hearted. It does take time.

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Sorry whats wrong with 7KG of (I'm guessing) muscle in 2 years? Thats well above what a natural can gain.

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I'm going to tackle OP's question from a different angle.. as Weener said, 7 kilos in 2 years is well above what most people can gain.

are you realistically willing to fork out hundreds of dollars on extra food to gain a few extra kilos? if you are benching 100 kilos and are 77kg yourself that's something to be mighty proud of :nod:

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I think that may be a bit of an exaggeration. I mean how much does 4l of milk cost? Just eat what you normally eat chuck that on top and thats another 2500cals instantly.

2 litres of homebrand milk ($3.07) twice a day = $43 a week or $172 a month

not an exaggeration, just being realistic. sure, if you can afford it by all means drink 4l of milk a day but if you're struggling financially it isn't worth it IMO

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