JACK3D

[kels]

made me quite thirsty though, quote]

this is where I went wrong i think, water intake is up about a litre more per workout and I feel alot better.

yeah i was up about 750mls more, usually have to force the water down in this cold weather

[vinnie700]

first day on this for me after a week off the gym. started with 1 scoop today as advised.

results: not too sure really, i was slightly stronger, but that could have been because i had a week off.

didnt have any tingling or side effects or anything, gonna up the dosage to 2 scoops tomorrow and see how that goes.

tastes nice though for this kind of thing. but yeah, nothing dramatic so far.

edit: $65 from bodypro albany. they have a site too.

[Monarchking]

Any1 just had Beta Alanine by itself or stacked with creatine?

[ctec27]

Still get the tingles with beta alanine and mono, have added another 5g of mono plus another 1.5g of beta alanine with jacked, well worth a try

[ssw]

If jack3d gives a positive result if tested - how long would you have to stop using it, for it to leave one's system?

[nz_warriors]

If jack3d gives a positive result if tested - how long would you have to stop using it, for it to leave one's system?

I got randomly drug tested at work about a month ago, come back negative, don't think you will have a problem passing the test.

[vinnie700]

If jack3d gives a positive result if tested - how long would you have to stop using it, for it to leave one's system?

I got randomly drug tested at work about a month ago, come back negative, don't think you will have a problem passing the test.

yeah i read some forums talking about this topic. supposedly it came up positive for methamphetamine. sounded like it was all bullshit to me. i wouldn't worry.

[samuelNZ]

Absolutely love this product. Wouldn't go near anything like SP250 or crap that is hyped up with so much bullshit like 'skin tearing pumps'.

Have been on this product for about 4 months and still get the energy and still seeing decent results from it. Have only ever taken 1 scoop so lasts me ages and cant see the need for any more. Great value for money and most probably wouldn't train without it.

Cannot stress enough how much of great product this is. Go out and try it.

And yes, you need to keep your water intake up with this.

[Buzzard]

I get mine for 59 bucks each!

Got beta alanine powder and creatine on wednesday.

Are ya mixing extra BA and creapure into the jack tub or adding it to your mug?

[steak]

LMAO at the "this poduct makes me stronger" comments.

Strength in a tub :roll:

[startinfromscratch]

LMAO at the "this poduct makes me stronger" comments.

Strength in a tub :roll:

some cunts rollin around slippin dbol into peoples jacked containers! :shock:

[ani_m0L]

LMAO at the "this poduct makes me stronger" comments.

Strength in a tub :roll:

some cunts rollin around slippin dbol into peoples jacked containers! :shock:

:pfft: :pfft: :pfft: :pfft: :pfft: ...... :shock:

[Flex]

Man, Jack3d has to be the most confused and Fuck3d up product out at the moment. If you're using it for every training session and your goal is muscle or mass gain you're really not doing yourself any favours. It's a fat burner and stimulant pure and simple so it's great if you are wanting to lose weight. It's main ingredient is fricken DMAA a powerful CNS stimulant and appetite suppressant used in FAT BURNERS AND PARTY PILLS.

DMAA is also a VASOCONSTRICTOR. Hang on though doesn't it have everybody's favourite magic ingredient Arginine AKG to boost NO levels and enhance VASODILATION? Yeah, so it's got a vasodilator and vasoconstrictor in it, wow that makes a lot of sense to me.

But according to USPlabs marketing material at least it's not full of fillers like other pretraining stuff like SP250 aye?

My arse it isn't. 25% of it is filler. Its pissy little "ultra-concentrated" 5.55gram serve only has 4.145 grams of actives in it, meaning over 25% of each serving is filler - flavour, artificial sweetener, coloring, and vegetable fat.

If you had that much inactive filler in each 20g serving of superdump 250 you'd have 5g of coloring and flavour in it.

You can't as they put it "ultra-concentrate" any of the actives ingredients unless you ultra underdose them because they are already at their most concentrated form eg creatine MONOHYDRATE meaning it's no longer in it's unconcentrated liquid state.

To get a semi effective dose of creatine and beta alanine out of it most guys are going to need to use 3 scoops every day for 12 weeks (because Beta Alanine only really actually starts being effective at the 12 week mark and beyond, not that many companies tell you this).

With that much DMAA and caffeine in the system on a daily basis your CNS is going to be toast and you sure as *** won't be looking too massive (unless you're going for that massive Meth-Head, dance party pilling 6 o'clock in the morning jacked up look). Yeah cool Amphetamine gives you lots of short term strength but most of the long term P heads I've seen haven't exactly been Mr Olympia material.

Used occasionally in conjunction with creatine mono or something else with creatine in it for a heavy squat or bench session or prior to cardio it's ideal for a little extra push, but just don't plan on using it everyday unless you're cutting up.

[ThePman]

It's main ingredient is fricken DMAA a powerful CNS stimulant and appetite suppressant used in FAT BURNERS AND PARTY PILLS.

o noes can't get strong now?

With that much DMAA and caffeine in the system on a daily basis your CNS is going to be toast and you sure as *** won't be looking too massive (unless you're going for that massive Meth-Head, dance party pilling 6 o'clock in the morning jacked up look). Yeah cool Amphetamine gives you lots of short term strength but most of the long term P heads I've seen haven't exactly been Mr Olympia material.

You're more right than wrong here, but for the wrong reasons. Training on stimulants all the time is a bad idea because you wind up dependent on them for a good session and because as you note you can do more harm than good by pushing when you shouldn't necessarily push.

If you see supplements as a crutch to support bad training practices (which most people do), then yeah this is very true.

I like using pre-workout stimulants if I want to push a little harder and have a solid session, but there's no way I'd use them on a regular basis. There's no point.

It doesn't have a lot to do with it being labeled a fat burner though. Most stimulants don't have much effect on actual fat metabolism, besides the general effects on SNS output and catecholamines. The main effect is appetite control. But they can most definitely improve performance by increasing neurological output.

Meth does other nasty things which most things in the amphetamine family don't do, so it's not really fair to lump everything in with it.

[Flex]

But they can most definitely improve performance by increasing neurological output.

Unfortunately people aren't buying it because of its neurological effect. Magazines and supps companies have brainwashed punters into thinking that all they have to use is a pretraining formula and they are going to get big and strong on it.

This particular pretraining formula is flawed because there's not a lot of beneficial ingredients (or at least ingredients at effective doses) other than caffeine and DMAA. The reason I consider Jacked a fat burner as opposed to a muscle builder is that it seems to have more stims in it than anything else.

If you've got a good solid base and a good supps and nutrition plan then using something like jacked could benefit muscle and mass gain, but if it's all you are using then it's not really going to do what a lot of people want it to do.

I wouldn't consider caffeine a muscle builder however if I worked for muscletech I could turn it into the next big thing by disguising it in a combination of creatine and carbs and then doing a clinical test and showing its potency in comparison with a placebo of sucrose.

Something like this from an as yet unheard of brand:

Introducing "P-Lab Technicians"

Super-TriMethyl-AnaBol 35,400-XT

Powerful Adrenergic, ATP Intensifier with

Maximum Glycogen and Insulin Potentiation

Contains 400mg of 100% Pure Pharmaceutical Grade , HPLC Tested, Clinically Validated

1,3,7-trimethyl-1H-purine-2,6(3H,7H)-dione - the most potent stimulant from the Jamaican Mountain Country

In combination with 35,000mg of our Patent Pending Proprietary Blend

Methyl-Hydro-Infusion Agonist™

• a Massive 5000mg of 2-[carbamimidoyl(methyl)amino]acetic acid hydrate

• and 30,000 mg of (3R,4S,5S,6R)-6-(hydroxymethyl)oxane-2,3,4,5-tetrol hydrate

For Maximum Myo-Insulin Infusion and Plasma Saturation.

[ThePman]

that all they have to use is a pretraining formula and they are going to get big and strong on it.

it's interesting that you criticize that mindset, given

The reason I consider Jacked a fat burner as opposed to a muscle builder is that it seems to have more stims in it than anything else.

It's not either, and looking at supplements that way is backwards. A stimulant product isn't going to burn fat or build muscle. Trying to classify it that way is just wrong.

I agree with you on the BS marketing, but that's just par for the course with supplements. Companies hawk them and people don't know what to expect from them besides "mad gains" or a crutch for bad training.

If you use the stuff to get a better workout, it's not suddenly going to stop working because somebody thinks it's "for fat loss" instead of "for muscle building". It's a stimulant. Stimulants can have several purposes.

[diamond]

If 2 scoops gives me enough motivation to get my ass off the couch and head down to the gym on cold winter nights when i might have otherwise stayed put, then it's a muscle builder as far as i'm concerned :wink:

[Chemo]

Any1 just had Beta Alanine by itself or stacked with creatine?

I used to mix my own pre workout drink of Higher power a-akg, Now beta alanine and creatine mono mixed with some glucose and thriftee. Worked very very well, I could definitely feel the beta alanine working through the system, only problem is that it was harsh on the stomach ay, tasted quite foul and i didnt take it multiple times a day so who knows how much benefit i got out of it. Extreme pumps though.

IMO, id prob just stick with jack3d lol so much easier.

Tempted to try Scivation Quake next, and maybe some kre-alk, beta alanine caps(possibly taurine too).

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/un/betak.html something like that perhaps

I'm keen to try get the most out of beta alanine, as Flex said you gotta take it heaps for it to be used at its full potential...but 12 weeeeeeeekkks! This true?

Its quite hard to find the perfect pre-bottled product ><

Someone should start a thread concepting thier perfect formulas and how they would be used. 8) *gets pad ready to jot down notes*

[Lil G]

If 2 scoops gives me enough motivation to get my ass off the couch and head down to the gym on cold winter nights when i might have otherwise stayed put, then it's a muscle builder as far as i'm concerned :wink:

Sure Andy.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When a product is jacked with so much caffeine and no glutamine or glutamine peptide im sorry but you will be sacrificing muscle mass.

[Monarchking]

as Flex said you gotta take it heaps for it to be used at its full potential...but 12 weeeeeeeekkks! This true?

I read

Typically, it's also recommend to do a bit of a loading phase with beta-alanine as well, starting with about 6 grams spread over two or three doses during the day for the first six days, and then progressing to the maintenance phase, taking in about 3 grams divided into three doses.

Also keep in mind that it typically takes about two weeks to start noticing good increases in performance, so if it's not immediately noticeable, don't give up on it too quickly

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/bbinfo. ... etaAlanine

[bigballs]

Plain and simple, I started losing weight on this shit product, just like superpump250. as soon as i finished the product, my strenght went down again.

[Growth]

Plain and simple, I started losing weight on this shit product, just like superpump250. as soon as i finished the product, my strenght went down again.

woah wait, you started to lose weight while on this, then once you stopped your strength went down again?? :S

by 'i started losing weight' do you mean you lost fat indirectly through an increase in drive, endurance and/or volume? and by 'as soon as i finished the product, my strength went down again' do you mean your strength went up while you were on it? If so it sounds good to me!

[startinfromscratch]

[train hard]

If 2 scoops gives me enough motivation to get my ass off the couch and head down to the gym on cold winter nights when i might have otherwise stayed put, then it's a muscle builder as far as i'm concerned :wink:

Sure Andy.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When a product is jacked with so much caffeine and no glutamine or glutamine peptide im sorry but you will be sacrificing muscle mass.

im sure jacked wouldnt be sacrafacing muscle mass if it was in extreme nutrition stores lil g?

its not gona sacrafice muscle mass if your diet is spot on and any product that stimulates your central nervous system and alows you to train harder and heavier will help you add muscle mass

[GymBunni]

AGRHHH - finally people that have discovered by golden secret haha - only thing with jacked is that now i actually feel like i cant train without it which sux : ( and i use to have one scoop but i kinda built up a tolerance over about 4months so now i take just under 2 - which is alot for a chik lolz - then again im not like most other chix that go to the gym to look pretty haha. - Highly recomend it tho ae - mint after work when u thinku cant b stuffed training gives u a real boost and helps u focus .