The direction of NABBA in NZ

[Ann]

Please clarify what work is or has been done at International level????????and letter of appointment what letter?????

With the amount of posts you have made, sarcasm, ill-informed finger pointing at musclenz, myself and others - I do not believe any one of them would be interested in coming forward and discussing with you the level of work that is being done at an international level at this very moment. Afterall you said it yourself...

have as much passion about Body building as you all, it is just not in the same corner as you.

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Have a nice day :grin:

[AllenNZ]

here is one letter sent to peter

Hello Peter

Thank you for your letter regarding your proposed nomination as the new NABBA NZ President.

Your appointment is not valid unless there is a vote of confidence and all prospective NZ candidates have been nominated.

Firstly, you would need to resign your position within the INBA as we see this as a conflict of interest and a monopoly on NZ bodybuilding.

( 2 ) NABBA is a democratic Association and there must be a registered vote by only legitimate delegates at your AGM on January 30th.

( 3 ) The NABBA NZ website would need to eliminate all reference to Jose Lopez as World President and the fake NABBA International.

( 4 ) The future administration and promotion of NABBA NZ must exclude the involvement of Jim Pitt, his son and his partner Marianne Poole.

( 5 ) The NABBA HQ must not be registered in Palmerston North.

Peter, I look forward to discussing the future Presidency of NABBA NZ either here in Australia or I am happy to meet with you and other interested parties in January prior to your AGM in Auckland.

Happy New Year to you and the family.

so now what have the nabba people have to say now

[NABBA]

That letter is old news now Allen... After all, didn't GL send it to just about every NZ bodybuilder he had on his email list.....

Things have moved on from that, but as has been mentioned we (area reps) are not at liberty to discuss this until the announcements and decisions are officially made and reported to current NABBA members.

Cheers

Maeve

NABBA NZ - Wellington

[NZresident1]

Ann wrote.. I do not believe any one of them would be interested in coming forward and discussing with you the level of work that is being done at an international level at this very moment.

So you do not really know do you :shock:

I was directing my question to MuscleNZ :naughty:

[hawks]

That letter is old news now Allen... After all, didn't GL send it to just about every NZ bodybuilder he had on his email list.....

Things have moved on from that, but as has been mentioned we (area reps) are not at liberty to discuss this until the announcements and decisions are officially made and reported to current NABBA members.

Cheers

Maeve

NABBA NZ - Wellington

you as area reps are living in a dream world , goodness me cant you guys see that the people mentioned in THAT LETTER are dragging nabba down in this country and have been doing so for quite sometime ,

what could be wrong with a change , new faces and ideas , this is not about area reps they do a good job its about the leadership of nabba common guys grow some balls sheesh.

[NABBA]

[Optimass]

... as well as the excellent work of Peter Hardwick - who without him, BB would not be in NZ in any shape or form.

100% :nod:

However we do need to remember that without local athletes, local shows, bums on seats, there will be no athletes to select for whatever international events are proposed... and its also important to remember that we select our international athletes, there is no free pass .. you have to compete, qualify and be selected like anyone else.

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[Grego]

... as well as the excellent work of Peter Hardwick - who without him, BB would not be in NZ in any shape or form.

100% :nod:

However we do need to remember that without local athletes, local shows, bums on seats, there will be no athletes to select for whatever international events are proposed... and its also important to remember that we select our international athletes, there is no free pass .. you have to compete, qualify and be selected like anyone else.

With you on all the above!

Grego

:clap:

[NZresident1]

Inyan wrote So "Hawks" I am on rant because I do take this personally. I put my hard earned time, energy, passion and money into promoting this sport within the Wellington and Lower Hutt regions. I also get off my butt and compete - and trust me, I'm not about to be the next figure pro! But at least I am walking the walk not just talking the talk.

Nothing is going to change in the next couple of days until the international cooridinator for NABBA NZ announces the plans... so give it a rest.

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Well said Inyan.

[Ann]

Inyan wrote So "Hawks" I am on rant because I do take this personally. I put my hard earned time, energy, passion and money into promoting this sport within the Wellington and Lower Hutt regions. I also get off my butt and compete - and trust me, I'm not about to be the next figure pro! But at least I am walking the walk not just talking the talk.

Nothing is going to change in the next couple of days until the international cooridinator for NABBA NZ announces the plans... so give it a rest.

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Well said Inyan.

NO we won't give it a rest! None of you have read anything that has been mentioned properly - you will only read what is relevant to your own needs

and to that of Pitt Poole and Hardwick.

Maeve, you have refused to acknowledge the ruin that Pitt has made in Nabba NZ. You all talk about Pitt and Marion like they were your second cousins.

You go on about a code of ethics. What code of ethics? Its obvious that Pitt and Poole have none. If they did, they would have fronted up to those competitors who they had knowingly taken to false Nabba Universe and Worlds. You talk about balls Maeve, you've got none. If you had nuts then you would've fronted up to them at the AGM meeting and asked them all for the truth and why they had knowingly taken competitors to false Nabba International competitions - but none of you want to hear that! NABBA NZ moving forward - yeah right!

[hawks]

you as area reps are living in a dream world , goodness me cant you guys see that the people mentioned in THAT LETTER are dragging nabba down in this country and have been doing so for quite sometime ,

what could be wrong with a change , new faces and ideas , this is not about area reps they do a good job its about the leadership of nabba common guys grow some balls sheesh.

[hawks]

I'm sorry but I have balls! F'n big ones...

I also have honesty, intergrity and respect for people. I know full well the work and effort both Jim and Marianne have done for this sport in the last 20 years as well as the excellent work of Peter Hardwick - who without him, BB would not be in NZ in any shape or form. Those guys in that letter as you put it are more than willing to accept new ideas, new faces and change which is part of a lot of what we discussed at the AGM. Yes, things haven't been the way we have ALL wanted in terms of the international scene for a couple of years but a lot of work is being done in that area and has been in traction since well before xmas.

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HMMMM interesting another one that doesnt really read and understand what is written.I wonder how long you have been around the sport . Like i said before the area reps do a great job , but perhaps sticking up for the officials will be good for when you compete next who knows you may place a bit higher :pfft: Would it not be great to compete for a federation that was aligned with a real federation . One that is associated with the great bodybuilders of yesterday , arnold ,reeves,reg park , and numerous other great builds that have competed for the real nabba over the years , but i guess bodybuiding does not really interest fitness competitors . Unfortunately for us kiwis our nabba officals slandered and wrote untruths about the now world nabba president who in fact is a bloody good bloke , should people like that be running our sport ???? . To be honest i cant be bothered with these forums its full of no it alls and people that are not interested in having an open mind , the old head in the sand syndrome . All the best for you comming competitions my freind . One thing though if your balls are really that big perhaps you should consider physique instead of fitness , or maybe a doctor could assist you in some way :shock:

[Ann]

but perhaps sticking up for the officials will be good for when you compete next who knows you may place a bit higher

Perhaps she may.

One thing though, if your balls are really that big, perhaps you should consider physique instead of fitness , or maybe a doctor could assist you in some way

Priceless!

[musclenz]

That letter is old news now Allen... After all, didn't GL send it to just about every NZ bodybuilder he had on his email list.....

Things have moved on from that, but as has been mentioned we (area reps) are not at liberty to discuss this until the announcements and decisions are officially made and reported to current NABBA members.

Cheers

Maeve

NABBA NZ - Wellington

Maeve, It may well be old news, but it is still relevant. It would have been courteous for Peter to have at least replied to this letter even if he did not agree with the content. After all he had at this stage pronounced himself as the new NABBA NZ President as outlined in this letter :

National Amateur Body Builders’ Association Inc.

New Zealand

nabba@inspire.net.nz

http://www.nabba.co.nz

Graeme Lancefield

World President NABBA International

graeme@nabba.com.au

Phone: 0061 408 350983

Fax: 0061 9484 9880

21 December 2009

Dear Graeme,

I am writing to introduce myself and inform you of an impending development in NABBA New Zealand. As of the 30th January 2010, Jim Pitt will be retiring from his position as NABBA NZ President at the 2010 NABBA NZ Congress, at which time I will take over the NABBA New Zealand Presidency.

This is a time for new directions, and I am looking to develop new opportunities for our New Zealand athletes to compete at International Events. I would like to send a NABBA New Zealand Representative Team to compete at the 2010 NABBA International World Championships, which I understand are being held in Malta.

With a view of developing contact with NABBA International, and supporting the various international events, with this in mind I would be happy to travel to Melbourne in the New Year, to meet with you. . I can be contacted by e-mail at peter@nutritionplus.co.nz or by mail at P O Box 102073, North Shore Mail Centre, North Shore City, Auckland 0633, New Zealand.

I thank you for your assistance and look forward to working with you, and meeting you in the New Year. Congratulations on your appointment as World President of NABBA International and I wish Pina and yourself a very happy Festive Season.

Yours sincerely

Peter Hardwick

Peter Hardwick

President

NABBA NZ Incorporated

So what has changed? Nothing it would seem. Jim has taken up the reins again & Peter has been ousted.

While your executive members continue with their own agendas, & your International Coordinator can coordinate all he wants, but I can assure you that there will be NO qualifying access to NABBA International Competitions from any event run under the NABBA NZ banner unless there is some considerable bridge building done & done very soon.

Sure you will be able to run your Asia Pacific show in the Philippines & I expect it will be just as successful as the last one run there in 2007, down on the beach, all enjoying yourselves & getting a tan without even making a blip on the International Bodybuilding scene.

Please, I know all of your have put your heart & soul into promoting & running NABBA events in your areas. This is not about personal attacks on your credibility or organising skills as such. Its about going forward, running better & more entertaining shows, different formats designed to in every way assist the athletes to be the best they can on the day. Its about honesty, integrity, accountability, openness, cooperation, everyone having a say, having fun Its about getting more people involved, opening up the range of categories available with the WFF affiliation. Its about giving people more choices of where they can compete & how they need to present themselves. Its about giving Kiwis a legitamate way to qualify for NABBA & WFF shows overseas. Its a whole new ballgame.

I don't want to preempt exactly what is planned to allow this to happen as, like you, I am obliged to allow time for a formal announcement to be made. This may be in the next few days. However, I urge you all not to close your mind or your hearts to what is happening.

Because, believe me, IT WILL HAPPEN & VERY SOON. :nod:

Regards

mnz

[NABBA]

1. Peter has not been ousted

2. Personal attacks on the classes I choose to compete in, use of steriods and my placements at shows just show how petty and small you are Hawks and Ann. BB is moving forward by introducing new classes etc. If we hadn't it would have died out long ago, as not all people are interested in doing physique.

3. MNZ - go for gold, organise a NABBA Australia/WFF show in NZ. Remember bums on seats and comp numbers equal success. It's interesting though that in order to offer world level classes for all our athletes (including figure, fitness, athletic), we are expected to align to two different federations and take two different teams to two different places in the world to compete.... on the smell of an oily rag.....

4. Who says we haven't replied to GL. Just because we didn't email it to everyone doesn't mean we don't have things in the pipeline for international alignments.

5. GL seems to operate below the belt in terms of his demands on Peter Hardwick and NABBA NZ - yet we are supposed to roll over for that? I don't know the guy - I do know J&M and have "fronted up to the AGM for the truth" as all of us Reps did.

6. If we are the "fake NABBA" then all those titles won by competitors in any NABBA NZ show since 2002ish will be null and void - is that promoting the sport to athletes?? Is that rewarding athletes for their hard earned work???

7. And - do any of you actually compete for NABBA NZ?

Maeve

NABBA NZ - Wellington

[hawks]

1. Peter has not been ousted

2. Personal attacks on the classes I choose to compete in, use of steriods and my placements at shows just show how petty and small you are Hawks and Ann. BB is moving forward by introducing new classes etc. If we hadn't it would have died out long ago, as not all people are interested in doing physique.

3. MNZ - go for gold, organise a NABBA Australia/WFF show in NZ. Remember bums on seats and comp numbers equal success. It's interesting though that in order to offer world level classes for all our athletes (including figure, fitness, athletic), we are expected to align to two different federations and take two different teams to two different places in the world to compete.... on the smell of an oily rag.....

4. Who says we haven't replied to GL. Just because we didn't email it to everyone doesn't mean we don't have things in the pipeline for international alignments.

5. GL seems to operate below the belt in terms of his demands on Peter Hardwick and NABBA NZ - yet we are supposed to roll over for that? I don't know the guy - I do know J&M and have "fronted up to the AGM for the truth" as all of us Reps did.

6. If we are the "fake NABBA" then all those titles won by competitors in any NABBA NZ show since 2002ish will be null and void - is that promoting the sport to athletes?? Is that rewarding athletes for their hard earned work???

7. And - do any of you actually compete for NABBA NZ?

Maeve

NABBA NZ - Wellington

yes it is unfortunate that my 2000 mr nz title and 1998 novice title dont mean jack sh,,t .You really dont know what you are talking about , and you are easy to wind up . have a nice day luv

[NABBA]

Easy to wind up? And from what I've heard ... apparently so are you... maybe that's why you are so annoyed "luv".

And you haven't gained an NZ title in 10 years?? My god.. no wonder you are such an expert in everything...Silly me!

[AllenNZ]

it looks like the nabba reps have there head buried very very deep in the sand with cement

[hawks]

it looks like the nabba reps have there head buried very very deep in the sand with cement

Yep waste of time talking to them . Oh well everyone to there own opinion , let them go for it .

[hawks]

Easy to wind up? And from what I've heard ... apparently so are you... maybe that's why you are so annoyed "luv".

And you haven't gained an NZ title in 10 years?? My god.. no wonder you are such an expert in everything...Silly me!

HAHA wound up far from it , i was taking the piss . Have a nice day you bodybuilder you hahahaha :shock: :grin:

[Grego]

it looks like the nabba reps have there head buried very very deep in the sand with cement

Yep waste of time talking to them . Oh well everyone to there own opinion , let them go for it .

No actually Alan, you are entitled to your opinion not the other way around. As NABBA reps with our opinions we can try and make a difference.....

And your offer to come and see you to "talk about it" are duly noted, however i'll pass, as I am sure looking over my shoulder as some have on this forum do is not what we as NABBA NZ reps want to do which was the point of the congress. The most interesting thing here is, we have put our hand up to try and change things, in a sense we represent your voice as others but you can't see that. You just see NABBA NZ as a complete have and everyone involved.

I have an open mind, I need to as I work with computers everyday (blasted things!) And I truly get everyones point with the politics from the past, and excluding the personal attacks it's all pretty fair, and your passion is there with the words you type. This is what I am trying to say, hang up the frustrations and give us a chance, even just for a little while. You love the sport, we love the sport. I am sure over the years no one has had more opportunity to do as much as we have. I do see both sides, I'm not blind or have my head in the sand. We want change and along with Maeve and Nev are trying to represent the Athletes which is what we are doing.

Thanks for reading....

Greg

[agent86]

I respect all that the Nabba reps are doing and we all respect what they are doing. There is a bit of passion on this subject which is not altogether a bad thing.

We all realise the reps are vying for change however this change was mooted by Marianne last March.

Nothing was done all year until Christchurch started the wheels in motion. Then for a month nothing was done with Graeme's letter until the Congress. Now we are told to keep quiet until something happens.

I hope something does happen it is just that this should have been sorted out earlier before the anger started.

I don't think peole are moaning they are just tired of waiting and having no communication from Nabba HQ.

[Grego]

I respect all that the Nabba reps are doing and we all respect what they are doing. There is a bit of passion on this subject which is not altogether a bad thing.

We all realise the reps are vying for change however this change was mooted by Marianne last March.

I attended a quick fire congress at the BoP champs (in between the show when I should have been relaxing) and it was voiced by all present that there must be something done. I mentioned my disappointment at Spain being cancelled (which in a sense was a blessing) and all the Reps present mentioned that NABBA NZ had no "light at the end of the tunnel" and something needed to be done. Various big Athletes names were dropped and how they had moved to another fed or travelled overseas because there was no light.

Nothing was done all year until Christchurch started the wheels in motion. Then for a month nothing was done with Graeme's letter until the Congress. Now we are told to keep quiet until something happens.

Firstly, I don't believe Christchurch has really come into it. I understand Kingsley's plans with Graeme and what he chooses to do is up to him. Will it solve things? Probably not, only confuse Athletes as there will be two NABBA's in NZ.

I hope something does happen it is just that this should have been sorted out earlier before the anger started.

We all do Agent86. The anger has been round for many years (way, way before my time) as I have been told by various other members on here.

I don't think peole are moaning they are just tired of waiting and having no communication from Nabba HQ.

That is the fine line where criticism turns into moaning.

Cheers

Grego

[hawks]

it looks like the nabba reps have there head buried very very deep in the sand with cement

Yep waste of time talking to them . Oh well everyone to there own opinion , let them go for it .

No actually Alan, you are entitled to your opinion not the other way around. As NABBA reps with our opinions we can try and make a difference.....

And your offer to come and see you to "talk about it" are duly noted, however i'll pass, as I am sure looking over my shoulder as some have on this forum do is not what we as NABBA NZ reps want to do which was the point of the congress. The most interesting thing here is, we have put our hand up to try and change things, in a sense we represent your voice as others but you can't see that. You just see NABBA NZ as a complete have and everyone involved.

I have an open mind, I need to as I work with computers everyday (blasted things!) And I truly get everyones point with the politics from the past, and excluding the personal attacks it's all pretty fair, and your passion is there with the words you type. This is what I am trying to say, hang up the frustrations and give us a chance, even just for a little while. You love the sport, we love the sport. I am sure over the years no one has had more opportunity to do as much as we have. I do see both sides, I'm not blind or have my head in the sand.

Thanks for reading....

Greg

Look there is no issue about wether or not the reps that run the shows do a good job , if it was not for them there would be no shows none at all irrispective of who was running the federation . Every three years we as the public get the oppertunity to vote if we are unhappy with the current government thats part of living in a democratic society , why cant this happen in a body building federation were people get the choice to stand and the members get an oppertunity to vote , it should not be a matter of right . You yourself said to missy last year you were fustrated with things in nabba , trouble is people dont like upsetting the apple cart because it may effect them in some way , personally i dont care the truth is the truth . There was even a prospective nabba president that would have been accepted by our overseas freinds but he was told he was not welcome at the meeting . I know you are extremely passionate about the sport (if not a little misguided ) and thats what the sport needs but change only really happens from the top.

[Grego]

Look there is no issue about wether or not the reps that run the shows do a good job , if it was not for them there would be no shows none at all irrispective of who was running the federation . Every three years we as the public get the oppertunity to vote if we are unhappy with the current government thats part of living in a democratic society , why cant this happen in a body building federation were people get the choice to stand and the members get an oppertunity to vote , it should not be a matter of right . You yourself said to missy last year you were fustrated with things in nabba , trouble is people dont like upsetting the apple cart because it may effect them in some way , personally i dont care the truth is the truth . There was even a prospective nabba president that would have been accepted by our overseas freinds but he was told he was not welcome at the meeting . I know you are extremely passionate about the sport (if not a little misguided ) and thats what the sport needs but change only really happens from the top.

Hey Alan. You are right there man. I did tell Missy that, and also I did my thing at the congress and voiced my opinion that we need to have somewhere for our athletes too compete overseas (including myself!). Did I ask that Jim and Marianne resign? No, because at this point in time, whatever water there is under the bridge with Graeme and them I don't care. And that is my truth. It's awesome to get feedback from you and others about reps doing a good job with the shows. Thanks for that all. The thing is, while we are given almost a point in the right direction when it comes to running a show in our area, some people (in general, not pointing fingers) fail to realise a few things. Who is there to "top up" the kitty if the show falls short of paying it's bills as they so often do, with Athlete numbers down around the country (show and fed dependent). It would take someone passion and dedicated to pull money out of their back pocket to sort that out. That is where Jim and Marianne come to the party. Is it something that a lot on here don't realise that if Jim and Marianne didn't give a toss, why would they bother? They would just drag it down like most say they are already. And if someone thinks NABBA NZ (or any Fed) makes a mint they need their head checked, and if they did, somewhere along the way, someone is getting ripped off, and in this case it's more like Jim and Marianne are getting the raw end of the deal.

Time will tell whether or not the Rep's opinions will make a difference. The only people invited to the meeting were NABBA Reps. No one else was invited just like a board meeting within a company.

All together though as I said earlier, most are on the same page moving forward "There needs to be an alignment with an overseas Federation" and that is exactly what was voiced and hopefully will come to fruition.

Cheers

Greg