The direction of NABBA in NZ

[Outlaw53]

To a great degree yes it comes from within but it does help a lot if we are supported by our country. Having to compete through Australia has stopped many top athletes including myself from going to the World's and Universe. Not only do we have to pay to qualify in Australia we don't get the subsidy we used to get from Nabba NZ to help with expenses.

Without sponsorship I could go to the Universe for about $2500 of my own money. To do a local qualifier and Nationals in Australia and then go the Universe with no subsidy puts that cost out to $5000 to $6000.

Some of us just don't have that money despite what we have within.

Anyway lets just wait and see what happens on saturday at the Annual Nabba Conference.

We all know whats going to happen on saturday , a bunch of brown nosers will turn up , they will all pat pete on the back and say good job mate , the old guard will keep on ruining nabba bodybuilding here , athletes will not have the opportunity to qualify for the real worlds or universe and good bodybuilders will be still winning national titles for a federation that is fake .AWESOME.

[musclenz]

Appreciate your comments which seem to have some credence Outlaw. There is a lot of work being done behind the scenes which we hope will result in a positive outcome & announcement in the next few days. :pray:

[Outlaw53]

Appreciate your comments which seem to have some credence Outlaw. There is a lot of work being done behind the scenes which we hope will result in a positive outcome & announcement in the next few days. :pray:

Trust me, Graeme wants it to happen, its just up to you guys now, best of luck.

[Optimass]

I have always found it interesting that athletes automatically think qualification for internationals is a right of passage for funding from the federations. Just seems to be more noticable in Bodybuilding than anywhere else. IMO the feds shouldn't have to do that and that all funds should be re-invested into developing better shows and raising its profile (that way everyone benefits). In order to support athletes they could assist in securing sponsorship via their contacts .... which is easier said than done I know - but well run shows and increased numbers will provide a better platform for sponsors to come on board.

[agent86]

I have always found it interesting that athletes automatically think qualification for internationals is a right of passage for funding from the federations. Just seems to be more noticable in Bodybuilding than anywhere else. IMO the feds shouldn't have to do that and that all funds should be re-invested into developing better shows and raising its profile (that way everyone benefits). In order to support athletes they could assist in securing sponsorship via their contacts .... which is easier said than done I know - but well run shows and increased numbers will provide a better platform for sponsors to come on board.

Funding from Nabba is only a token amount and only applies to about 5 athletes. They still have to put in $3000 of their own money. I suppose we should not fund anyone to go to the Olympics either just put in back into local sports. Why do you think it is more noticeable in bodybuilding? There are many sports which help their top competitors travel to International competition.

It's actually not a big deal because quite a few Nabba competitors get picked but are given no subsidy and compete with their own money.

NZFBB competitors are paid all expenses when picked for an International event.

[musclenz]

I have always found it interesting that athletes automatically think qualification for internationals is a right of passage for funding from the federations. Just seems to be more noticable in Bodybuilding than anywhere else. IMO the feds shouldn't have to do that and that all funds should be re-invested into developing better shows and raising its profile (that way everyone benefits). In order to support athletes they could assist in securing sponsorship via their contacts .... which is easier said than done I know - but well run shows and increased numbers will provide a better platform for sponsors to come on board.

Funding from Nabba is only a token amount and only applies to about 5 athletes. They still have to put in $3000 of their own money. I suppose we should not fund anyone to go to the Olympics either just put in back into local sports. Why do you think it is more noticeable in bodybuilding? There are many sports which help their top competitors travel to International competition.

It's actually not a big deal because quite a few Nabba competitors get picked but are given no subsidy and compete with their own money.

NZFBB competitors are paid all expenses when picked for an International event.

Agree with you in principle agent. Hopefully this issue will be addressed by the National Body and/or by the Local Area Promotors. Whilst what Opti advocates in more funding going to run bigger & better shows, there does need to be some funding provided for assisting promising International Competitors IMO.

[agent86]

I don't think more funding for regional shows will necessarily mean better shows. At the Wellington Show we had $200 for the Open winner and I think everybody got some sort of sponsor products but we had only 7 local competitors. The rest of the competitors came from out of town lucky for us.

If the competitors don't support the show then will extra money make them compete.

One thing I am in favour is helping some athletes with expenses to attend the Nationals.

I help run the Wellington show so I do try to help local competitors this way. Instead of more money the run the show it would be great if some people would come forward to help. There was a small group of volunteers last year and for our meeting last week there was only 4 of us.

[Optimass]

I suppose we should not fund anyone to go to the Olympics either just put in back into local sports. Why do you think it is more noticeable in bodybuilding? There are many sports which help their top competitors travel to International competition

Body building isn't an olympic sport. Not comparing apples with apples as the approved supplier was Air New Zealand and both feds in NZ need a bit more time to build credibility and produce better shows before this type of deal could be reached. Also the deal was probably more palletable given the international profile AirNZ would get as they have an international market.

Sarah Ulmer also had sponsorship from Quantas, Watties, nz beef and lamb when she was competing .....

If as a federation you invest in giving more athletes the opportunity to compete at Nationals thats actually a win/win for NZ. All I am saying is that until the sport of body building has profile in NZ that it is irrelavent whether an athlete competes internationally or not because the wider population in NZ is not interested and probably isn't aware. (mean no disrespect to anyone as I think their all amazing champions and yes it would be great to be able to pay for everyone).

Nabba for example is basically starting again from scratch, based on what is being posted here lately. This can only be a good thing, but only if the "new generation" of leadership in the fed start to think outside of the square - break the mould so to speak - on how to make the sport more "mainstream". How do you increase it's profile to encourage the public to attend events and or even take up the sport? how do you put more money in the bank? - so you can provide a financial platform for international athletes.

ideas:

Most gyms would probably jump at the chance to have a seminar on BBing or supplementation / guest posing - as events like this in your club generate member interest and keep them coming. Also a great way to sell supplements and personal training. This may be a way for elite athletes to give back to the fed for financial support.

Westfield malls are always looking for events to run in centre court - each mall has their own marketing manager to organise these. If you were organised enough to come up a no cost show for them to run on a late night and/or on a weekend > perhaps with the support of a local gym then this could help to increase awareness and drive ticket sales to shows. I did a promo once for american gladiator as they were looking to do a show in NZ - the challenges were run in shopping malls so producers could guage public support.

Approaching schools to have a guest speaker/poser at an assembly to promote the sport could be adventageous - getting in contact with PE teachers at schools with weightlifting/training equipment. Most other sports run programs to entice younger people into their ranks - ... get them involved young. (And what sponsor wouldn't want to be involved in getting kids active). Easy to get local gyms involved somehow here also as these would be future members.

Bartercard: this could be a good option for keep the admin costs associated with stationary, post and web maintinance etc. You allocate a price for advertising on your site for sponsors and at shows and they pay you in barter > (You'd need to balance it with cash sponsors as you need a good amount of cash during start up) - but it's another income stream and I used my credits for posters, business cards, flyers for mailouts, travel, accomodation, vehicle hire, I even bought a photocopier/fax ... you get the picutre.

Membership incentives > I you can come up with a well presented and robust membership presentation it's not hard to set up an affiliate benefits program where by your members get a subsidised price for day to day services and where the fed gets a kick back in support. There are plenty of third parties rpoviding a link in to this type of scheme for access to your database. I don't think members that are sincerely behind the fed would be adverse to their info being passed on in this type of marketing model. I had 1500 members at the time and was being propositioned constantly with people wanting to pitch product at member nights etc.

Sponsorship: Increase the size of your member population and or audience attendance through putting on polished shows and you are more likely to land a good sponsorship deal. how many business owners are currently invloved in competitions? Do you even know how many? How many of them would be keen to offer a service or product no ness associated to body building but that would be beneficial to a competitor or punter? i.e Club Physical organsied a Mazda MX5 lease from one of its members for 12 months and gave it away to one of it's champions. I used to do contra all the time and network with my corporate clients all the time to leverage benefits for the members.

For all Moes faults he was - perhaps is in some respects - heading in the right direction from a show stand point. The AKL champs last year was actually a show. Whilst most hardcore bbders thought the addtion of the dance was a distraction, it is probably a good idea as many people not directly involved in the sport do not love it passionately enough to sit through 30 physique competitors and 100 figure athletes in back to back comparisons. The evening show should be exactly that - a showcase of our best body building talent with a smatering of good live entertainment. Fight for life is another good example of a great night out promoting boxing. Mark Michaels has taken this a step further and developed a corporate fightnight with a linked gym and training program. :clap: (thats the type of entreprenurial thinking needed to build profile)

question: does nabba have a sustainability program? What charities or community groups does it support? - sometime getting involved can have great kick backs.

End of rant anyways - everything I have put in here may not even be relevent - not intended to offend - just provoke thought I think this year could be good or it could be great > look forward to whats happening in Nabba in anycase.

[agent86]

Very good rant Optimass, must have been up all night writing that. I agree with all you have to say and I believe we do have to bring in new ideas to make contests interesting. Crowds will follow an idea or a contest as in when many went to the NZFBB show just to see Jonah Lomu no matter what shape he was. It was something different and he was a personality.

One of our sponsors here has suggested some of the things you have mentioned!!!!

Ant idea what happened at the Congress yesterday?

[NABBA Nev]

Hi Guys and Gals,

You will be very pleased to know that the Saturday meeting went very well with a great level of input from area reps on a number of topic's....including they main topic here about NABBA NZ's direction options.

More over, as a relative newbie, it was good to see that the area reps present were all on 'the same page' and I believe everyone spoke their mind. NABBA NZ will officially advise the results and actions from this meeting, which were brought up, agreeded upon and seconded by the NABBA NZ Area Reps. As for ranting and raving....sorry....the meeting was productive and conducted with integrity. Discussions were not at all monopolised by the heads of NABBA NZ as there were more interested in what we all had to say. And it was a lot!

From this meeting, I can honestly say that all area reps have this great sport at heart, there are no hidden agendas, have a high degree of integrity, and ,like myself, are volunteers who have stepped up to do our part for the athletes.

I'm not on here a lot but I thought that I would let you know my thoughs.

Cheers

NABBA Nev

[musclenz]

Hi Guys and Gals,

You will be very pleased to know that the Saturday meeting went very well with a great level of input from area reps on a number of topic's....including they main topic here about NABBA NZ's direction options.

More over, as a relative newbie, it was good to see that the area reps present were all on 'the same page' and I believe everyone spoke their mind. NABBA NZ will officially advise the results and actions from this meeting, which were brought up, agreeded upon and seconded by the NABBA NZ Area Reps. As for ranting and raving....sorry....the meeting was productive and conducted with integrity. Discussions were not at all monopolised by the heads of NABBA NZ as there were more interested in what we all had to say. And it was a lot!

From this meeting, I can honestly say that all area reps have this great sport at heart, there are no hidden agendas, have a high degree of integrity, and ,like myself, are volunteers who have stepped up to do our part for the athletes.

I'm not on here a lot but I thought that I would let you know my thoughs.

Cheers

NABBA Nev

I understand that Jim Pitt did not resign as expected. I assume then that the "Direction of NABBA in NZ" has not changed & that there is no intention to work toward repairing bridges & consequently any affiliation with the International Body was not considered, discussed or voted on. Where is the integrity in that?

[NZresident1]

Appreciate your comments which seem to have some credence Outlaw. There is a lot of work being done behind the scenes which we hope will result in a positive outcome & announcement in the next few days. :pray:

Seems you have no idea what is going on behind the scenes musclenz nabba nev posted an honest statement and you seem shocked and suprised that your inside information that you have written in here about did not happen.

Who's integrity should be in question now I say nabba nev with one post has given more info than all of yours.

[Ann]

Seems you have no idea what is going on behind the scenes musclenz nabba nev posted an honest statement and you seem shocked and suprised that your inside information that you have written in here about did not happen.

There was nothing in Nevilles post that suggested any outcome whatsoever.

the area reps present were all on 'the same page'

And the above means what? Absolutely nothing.

I suggest before you start making any accusations about musclenz's integrity - you contact him directly. Or you can PM me.

On one hand you praise him and I quote, "Musclenz, well done at least you are in there having a go good luck". Then you seem fit to make a remark such as you have done? Stop stirring, as that is all you are doing. You have nothing to contribute, you don't have any idea what you are talking about (although I'm sure you think you do) and everything that you have to say is absolute garbage. Go into your corner, sit there and say nothing - and until you can string a decent sentence together - don't make a comment.

[Maree]

Seems you have no idea what is going on behind the scenes musclenz nabba nev posted an honest statement and you seem shocked and suprised that your inside information that you have written in here about did not happen.

There was nothing in Nevilles post that suggested any outcome whatsoever.

the area reps present were all on 'the same page'

And the above means what? Absolutely nothing.

I suggest before you start making any accusations about musclenz's integrity - you contact him directly. Or you can PM me.

On one hand you praise him and I quote, "Musclenz, well done at least you are in there having a go good luck". Then you seem fit to make a remark such as you have done? Stop stirring, as that is all you are doing. You have nothing to contribute, you don't have any idea what you are talking about (although I'm sure you think you do) and everything that you have to say is absolute garbage. Go into your corner, sit there and say nothing - and until you can string a decent sentence together - don't make a comment.

Well said Ann! Couldnt have said it better. :nod: :nod:

[jimjim83]

Appreciate your comments which seem to have some credence Outlaw. There is a lot of work being done behind the scenes which we hope will result in a positive outcome & announcement in the next few days. :pray:

Seems you have no idea what is going on behind the scenes musclenz nabba nev posted an honest statement and you seem shocked and suprised that your inside information that you have written in here about did not happen.

Who's integrity should be in question now I say nabba nev with one post has given more info than all of yours.

hahahahaha what a dick!!

[hawks]

Hi Guys and Gals,

You will be very pleased to know that the Saturday meeting went very well with a great level of input from area reps on a number of topic's....including they main topic here about NABBA NZ's direction options.

More over, as a relative newbie, it was good to see that the area reps present were all on 'the same page' and I believe everyone spoke their mind. NABBA NZ will officially advise the results and actions from this meeting, which were brought up, agreeded upon and seconded by the NABBA NZ Area Reps. As for ranting and raving....sorry....the meeting was productive and conducted with integrity. Discussions were not at all monopolised by the heads of NABBA NZ as there were more interested in what we all had to say. And it was a lot!

From this meeting, I can honestly say that all area reps have this great sport at heart, there are no hidden agendas, have a high degree of integrity, and ,like myself, are volunteers who have stepped up to do our part for the athletes.

I'm not on here a lot but I thought that I would let you know my thoughs.

Cheers

NABBA Nev

HMMM so what actually did happen at the meeting , this doesnt say anything . And as for the heads of nabba not monopolizing

the discussions of course they wouldnt , they will have listened and taken absolutely no notice , they will continue to do what they want and newbys like yourself who probably have bodybuilding best interests at heart will give there all until they have had enough , then someone else will take over . As i have said before the three stooges really need to go and someone else take over the reigns but alas this will not happen . Bodybuilding should be run by bodybuilders not by buisness owners trying to feather there own nest.WAKE UP .

[NABBA Nev]

Hi again,

I'd love to tell you all what was said in the 10am - 6pm meeting. Interesting stuff! This information will and needs to come from NABBA NZ, not much point in it coming from me. I hate to use this phase but there is 'Due Process' to take into account. And yes, I'm sure this will promote a reaction from the frustrated one's out there. We all wanna know now! Right? I do to ...as Agent86 can attest to.

Just passing on what I can.

Cheers

Neville (NABBA Wellington)

[NZresident1]

NABBA NZ will officially advise the results and actions from this meeting, which were brought up, agreeded upon and seconded by the NABBA NZ Area Reps.

Ann there is no need to PM you.

Not interested in a person that attacks others for there opinions.

As to taking sections out of Nev's quote I have placed one above that does clarify NABBA Area reps did have a vote on the matter being discussed.

As to personal attacks do your best, it seems to be yours and other peoples way of scaring off a discussion on this topic.

I am in full support of people doing what they say they will do Nev is one example of this.

What I dont like is reading information that has not been qualified.

Dick maybe who cares jimjim

Maree you seem to be a follower so carry on.

Stirring yup maybe.

I have as much passion about Body building as you all, it is just not in the same corner as you.

Stringing sentences together I shall leave that to academics after all Im just a Body builder stating my case.

If I am wrong I shall apologise to anyone I may have upset. :wink:

[Ann]

NABBA NZ will officially advise the results and actions from this meeting, which were brought up, agreeded upon and seconded by the NABBA NZ Area Reps.

Ann there is no need to PM you.

Not interested in a person that attacks others for there opinions.

As to taking sections out of Nev's quote I have placed one above that does clarify NABBA Area reps did have a vote on the matter being discussed.

As to personal attacks do your best, it seems to be yours and other peoples way of scaring off a discussion on this topic.

I am in full support of people doing what they say they will do Nev is one example of this.

What I dont like is reading information that has not been qualified.

Dick maybe who cares jimjim

Maree you seem to be a follower so carry on.

Stirring yup maybe.

I have as much passion about Body building as you all, it is just not in the same corner as you.

Stringing sentences together I shall leave that to academics after all Im just a Body builder stating my case.

If I am wrong I shall apologise to anyone I may have upset. :wink:

"YAWN" :roll:

[jonafat]

Well said Ann! Couldnt have said it better. :nod: :nod:

I'll second that very well said Ann.As somebody that has had alot to do with mucslenz both in and out of the gym i find the comments from NZresident very offences.With over 700 informative

helpful post which usually invovle the medical,health side of the sport he continually shows integrety,kindess and a love for the sport and anybody that asks for help which is a damn site more than what youv'e done.

[MOD EDIT: No abusive comments please]

[NZresident1]

WoW :naughty:

[musclenz]

Appreciate your comments which seem to have some credence Outlaw. There is a lot of work being done behind the scenes which we hope will result in a positive outcome & announcement in the next few days. :pray:

Seems you have no idea what is going on behind the scenes musclenz nabba nev posted an honest statement and you seem shocked and suprised that your inside information that you have written in here about did not happen.

Who's integrity should be in question now I say nabba nev with one post has given more info than all of yours.

NZR, I believe you have misinterpreted my post. The work being done behind the scenes is not at NABBA NZ level. It is at NABBA International level.

[Pseudonym]

This is a good discussion, but keep it civil, guys. No personal attacks, please.

[musclenz]

Hi again,

I'd love to tell you all what was said in the 10am - 6pm meeting. Interesting stuff! This information will and needs to come from NABBA NZ, not much point in it coming from me. I hate to use this phase but there is 'Due Process' to take into account. And yes, I'm sure this will promote a reaction from the frustrated one's out there. We all wanna know now! Right? I do to ...as Agent86 can attest to.

Just passing on what I can.

Cheers

Neville (NABBA Wellington)

Thanks Neville for your input. Peter must be feeling rather let down that he has been passed over again especially after his letter announcing his Presidency to NABBA International. So much for "Due Process" & being "frustrated". Trust you had a fruitful meeting & look forward to seeing the "News" on NABBa.co.nz.

[NZresident1]

NZR, I believe you have misinterpreted my post. The work being done behind the scenes is not at NABBA NZ level. It is at NABBA International level.

Please clarify what work is or has been done at International level????????and letter of appointment what letter?????

cheers