The direction of NABBA in NZ

[Ann]

Yeah, just don't send GL an Email or it might get plastered all over New Zealand. Professionalism? Sounds like a good Tui billboard mate! :pfft:

For your information Greg, Graeme did not post those emails - very frustrated people did. You don't know the man - so don't comment on him! However, alot of people - who do know JP - can count on his lack of professionalism - ie: Sleeping at a meeting!! Overcharging competitors on accommodation as well as flights? Great!! Yip - I've 'gotta hand it to 'ya - you guys have got an awesome professional president there!

So how is NAC Greg?

[Grego]

Yeah, just don't send GL an Email or it might get plastered all over New Zealand. Professionalism? Sounds like a good Tui billboard mate! :pfft:

For your information Greg, Graeme did not post those emails - very frustrated people did.

I work in IT Ann and get paid very well to do so, and I am sorry, but don't go there, I know who sent them; as the initial email was sent to GL from Peter Hardwick and not cc'd to anyone, frustrated people must have access to GL's mailbox? No, don't think so....

You don't know the man - so don't comment on him!

You are right, I have not met GL personally, but as people have certain opinions on other people, my first impression is as above of GL (which I won't withdraw), as I don't know him in another light, so I can indeed comment on him. Truth be told, I haven't heard a bad word said about him so "frustrated" goes both ways.

However, alot of people - who do know JP - can count on his lack of professionalism - ie: Sleeping at a meeting!! Overcharging competitors on accommodation as well as flights? Great!! Yip - I've 'gotta hand it to 'ya - you guys have got an awesome professional president there!

As you have just done for JP, you have your opinions, which you are entitled to have and I respect them, and I have not once on here tried to deny that, as I was not there when these things above occurred. You know Missy I am open minded, I was mearly making comment to the post about professionalism saying that yep, there is water under the bridge (which has been said many times) and agreed with MD in saying that there is indeed issues within the Federation. But that was my point. Not just one federation, there are issues in all Fed's one way or another and too point at NABBA NZ (although that's what this thread is about) and say that it's all NABBA NZ and ignore the issues with other feds is slightly wrong.

I admire your loyalty to Graeme, from the way you pounced on me with the last post, I am sure he's an awesome guy . Looking at his photo's from the past he has certainly achieved a lot. :nod: On that point, my experiences with JP have led me to be loyal to him as he has not done anything to upset me personally (I blame Spain on that Joe character)

If we all had the same impression of each other in this world we wouldn't have terrorism / wars?

So how is NAC Greg?

No idea. Classes look good though, no need for athletes to change if they are used to the classes in NZ, competition looks good (er.... I'd get eaten alive!) Do you know something I don't?

Thanks

Grego

[hawks]

Yeah, just don't send GL an Email or it might get plastered all over New Zealand. Professionalism? Sounds like a good Tui billboard mate! :pfft:

For your information Greg, Graeme did not post those emails - very frustrated people did.

I work in IT Ann and get paid very well to do so, and I am sorry, but don't go there, I know who sent them; as the initial email was sent to GL from Peter Hardwick and not cc'd to anyone, frustrated people must have access to GL's mailbox? No, don't think so....

You don't know the man - so don't comment on him!

You are right, I have not met GL personally, but as people have certain opinions on other people, my first impression is as above of GL (which I won't withdraw), as I don't know him in another light, so I can indeed comment on him. Truth be told, I haven't heard a bad word said about him so "frustrated" goes both ways.

However, alot of people - who do know JP - can count on his lack of professionalism - ie: Sleeping at a meeting!! Overcharging :roll: competitors on accommodation as well as flights? Great!! Yip - I've 'gotta hand it to 'ya - you guys have got an awesome professional president there!

As you have just done for JP, you have your opinions, which you are entitled to have and I respect them, and I have not once on here tried to deny that, as I was not there when these things above occurred. You know Missy I am open minded, I was mearly making comment to the post about professionalism saying that yep, there is water under the bridge (which has been said many times) and agreed with MD in saying that there is indeed issues within the Federation. But that was my point. Not just one federation, there are issues in all Fed's one way or another and too point at NABBA NZ (although that's what this thread is about) and say that it's all NABBA NZ and ignore the issues with other feds is slightly wrong.

I admire your loyalty to Graeme, from the way you pounced on me with the last post, I am sure he's an awesome guy . Looking at his photo's from the past he has certainly achieved a lot. :nod: On that point, my experiences with JP have led me to be loyal to him as he has not done anything to upset me personally (I blame Spain on that Joe character)

If we all had the same impression of each other in this world we wouldn't have terrorism / wars?

So how is NAC Greg?

No idea. Classes look good though, no need for athletes to change if they are used to the classes in NZ, competition looks good (er.... I'd get eaten alive!) Do you know something I don't?

Thanks

Grego

:roll: sheesh

[nate225]

Greg I think the majority of Hawkes Bay BBers (and supporters) are behind the lead taken by the Chch crew. Do the right thing for HB Competitors and get in contact with Kingsley to make the switch! No more "fake NABBA" for the Bay! :nod:

[Grego]

Greg I think the majority of Hawkes Bay BBers (and supporters) are behind the lead taken by the Chch crew. Do the right thing for HB Competitors and get in contact with Kingsley to make the switch! No more "fake NABBA" for the Bay! :nod:

Hey Nate

The majority of Hawke's Bay bodybuilders will not / don't want to compete Internationally so our regional shows are still fine for many, and (cracked record aside) our show has been improving every year. The International side has a small amount of competitors - most are happy with competing a couple of times and hang up their trunks and bikinis, often not feeling good enough to even go to NZ Nationals, although that's what we would like to change by more support through regional reps and aligning with an overseas fed. I am interested to see how many Athletes go to Christchurch, as it's really cheaper for us to travel to Aus in the first place from Hawke's Bay. (That isn't a diss by the way, I have wished Kingsley all the best for the Christchurch show.)

Cheers

Grego

[musclenz]

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[Grego]

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Total Napier to CHC & Return $198

Prize for winning WFF Mens Overall Athletic - Big Screen TV $2200

Profit on Weekend 2 grand

Join us Grego. You know you want to. \:D/

Can't argue with that man!

[hawks]

Greg I think the majority of Hawkes Bay BBers (and supporters) are behind the lead taken by the Chch crew. Do the right thing for HB Competitors and get in contact with Kingsley to make the switch! No more "fake NABBA" for the Bay! :nod:

Actually Nate i dont think Kingsley would be to supportive of a certain nabba rep who had a proxy vote and misused it :-s he knows who i am talking about :doh:

[Ann]

I work in IT Ann and get paid very well to do so, and I am sorry, but don't go there, I know who sent them; as the initial email was sent to GL from Peter Hardwick and not cc'd to anyone, frustrated people must have access to GL's mailbox? No, don't think so....

Good for you that you get paid well in IT - so what? Don't treat me like an idiot Greg - apparently not ALL IT guys are created equal either are they!

"Don't go there - Please! Don't make me laugh!

Stick with Nabba NZ.

[Grego]

Actually Nate i dont think Kingsley would be to supportive of a certain nabba rep who had a proxy vote and misused it :-s he knows who i am talking about :doh:

Not at all Alan, the certain NABBA Rep did voice Kingsley's opinion as per his conversation with Kingsley via phone. Is there any end?

[Grego]

I work in IT Ann and get paid very well to do so, and I am sorry, but don't go there, I know who sent them; as the initial email was sent to GL from Peter Hardwick and not cc'd to anyone, frustrated people must have access to GL's mailbox? No, don't think so....

Good for you that you get paid well in IT - so what? Don't treat me like an idiot Greg - apparently not ALL IT guys are created equal either are they!

"Don't go there - Please! Don't make me laugh!

Stick with Nabba NZ.

No, I wasn't treating you like an idiot, mearly just stating fact. It's not too hard to find out the originality of an email.

Why is it, that with you and Alan, it always gets personal? Seriously? Have I done something to upset you guys? It seems no matter what I say or do, you are on my case.

You want alignment with an overseas fed - Gave my vote to do so, as far as I know, negotiations are happening.

I highlight a few facts that sure, while NABBA NZ has had it's issues in the past, so have other feds - BANG, on my case again. Any opportunity.

Glad something on here spins your wheels. If that is the type of "Athletes" that I am to associate with in another Federation, then NABBA NZ sounds good to me.

Keep up the good work.

[SportsGuru]

hey All

thanks Greg for your well wishes and we wish you well in your endevors also,

i would just like to make it clear that although any one is welcome to contact me in regard to show details and i will do Everything i can to assist, there is a large group of us driving this show and federation here in christchurch and around New Zealand and a huge amount of effort is being put in from overseas also.

the Buck (in more ways than one) certianly dose not stop with me. a comited commitee has been tierlessly working in the background for quite some time and as a comitee we are open to sugestions comments suport and help from anyone and everyone.

in my experiance this is the first time since i have been involved with the sport that i can honestly say that the comunity has come to gether to put together a show whit enthusiam profesionalisim and with the competitors and sponsers as the sole focus, JMHO

i would like to open an invitation to anyone in newzealand who is interested in helping to run a NABBA/WFF show (this year, next year, when ever)

Greg just out of intrest what is it about GL sending the email out that you consider to be unprofesional? (not a dig i am just curious)

in my personal opinion i belive that this was a resoponsable thing to to for the sport and for the athleetes, from where i see it i as a represtitive at the time the origanal letter was sent to GL had no knowlage of ither JP resigning nor of Peter "taking over as president", had the reps been given the information that the position was becoming availabe and the opertuinity to put nominations forward for candidates and a democratic processes been entered into, then there would have been fewer isuess.

and perhaps a understanding between the orgainisations could have been looked at.

however history is egsactly that, History ! and again this is just one mans opinion (mine), my foucus now is to move forward and its definatly busy times ahead and the help of many hands definatly make light work

speaking of work i have a task that needs doing (i need someone to put together a cd of songs for pose down music! any takers ?

contact one of us if your keen to help out

Kingsley Hannah

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sportsguru@xtra.co.nz

[Ann]

Why is it, that with you and Alan, it always gets personal? Seriously? Have I done something to upset you guys? It seems no matter what I say or do, you are on my case.

Personal No!

Fact: Current Nabba NZ Hierachy is no good for the sport

Fact: That is what this post is about.

Fact: You were given a proxy vote and it was not used in the way it was mean't

Fact: There is nothing personal in this at all - you have heard from Big MikeD about the way things have been run in the past and they have continued to be run like this and that it is not good for competitors overall and afterall that is what this sport is about.

Fact: There is a number of Nabba Reps that have changed over

If you cannot see this, and you think just because JP hasn't done anything to you personally, - give it time.

Thats enough on this.

[SportsGuru]

ohh ohh ohh bussy busy 5 posts while i was typing mine lol

thanks again for the suport from nate hawks and Ann in the hawks bay you are all so compeled to see this sport head in a positive direction my hats of to you guys for speaking your mind and pushing this stuff threw

however i do have to point out that as i was not at the agm while i was apointed rep for christchurch i did give my vote by proxy to Greg and was very happy to do so having spent hours on the phone with a large number of of area reps from all round new zealand, i felt that giving my vote by proxy was important to ensure that the southisland did have a say.

to my knowlage my opinions were tabled and my vote of confidance in peter hardwicks nomination for presidancy (under the priviso that GL's conditions be met) was put forward as i had asked greg to do.

many reps had indicated to me proir to the meeting that they were looking for change, i feel that a large emfisis on the point of " GL's profesionalisim" must have been entered into, as this seems to me to be the main sticking point?!?! (refer to my prevevious post for my opinion on this matter)

ok its time for to discontinue my discusions into the past and foucus on the future,

BRING IT ON

ps sorry for the spelling "rod")

[SportsGuru]

I am loving seeing this passion lol but would hate to have to seperate u 2 if you were in the same room lol (just jokes lol)

Fact: You were given a proxy vote and it was not used in the way it was mean't

this A= cant be proven "mythbusters" as it was all behinde closed doors (which it should not be) and B= greg has told me it was presented i i explained and i belive him,

and you think just because JP hasn't done anything to you personally, - give it time.

= well actualy greg you expressed to me in a show late last year you were higly pissed of becaus of something JP and others had done directly to you,

ok sorry thats definatly my last post on this matter lol

over and out

[Grego]

I am loving seeing this passion lol but would hate to have to seperate u 2 if you were in the same room lol (just jokes lol)

Fact: You were given a proxy vote and it was not used in the way it was mean't

this A= cant be proven "mythbusters" as it was all behinde closed doors (which it should not be) and B= greg has told me it was presented i i explained and i belive him

Hey Kingsley, thanks for that. I have been as honest as pie (mmmmm pie :pfft: ) on here although I can say I do have a head like a sieve! You only need to slip up once on here and you'll be dragged over the coals.

= well actualy greg you expressed to me in a show late last year you were higly pissed of becaus of something JP and others had done directly to you,

ok sorry thats definatly my last post on this matter lol

over and out

I can only assume it is with regard to Spain (as I don't completely remember the exact context) but and as you put it, lets move forward.

I take the same stand as you Kingsley, here for the sport, happy to talk to anyone about shows etc. Being a minority sport here in New Zealand, it would be nice to have a bit of more positive outlook and it's good to see positive changes happening and support for that change.

Cheers

Grego

[musclenz]

Well guys its great that we can agree to disagree. At least for once, no matter where you sit - IFBB, NABBA NZ, INBA or NABBA/WFF, we have a discussion about the direction of Bodybuilding in New Zealand. A place where issues have been highlighted, thrashed out, tuned over & considered from everyone's perspective on a very public forum. This, surely, must be a breakthrough if nothing else. To see the passion & the personal stories coming up as ^^^^ is fantastic. In the end the groups that survive this transition, not only in "our" camp, but perhaps in the others mentioned, will be the better & stronger for this type of debate & sharing of information.

We may not be able to change the past, the hurt, the disappointment, the ill feeling, but WE CAN HEAL IT. Lets give thanks to those that were involved, & move on into a bright & positive future & get this sport back where people want to be involved & feel part of it, be they competitors, officials or supporters. In a small country like New Zealand we can only do this if we work together & not against each other.

[Ann]

:haha:

Right - I'll go to my corner now - shall I? :smackbottom: Naughty Miss! :grin:

[Grego]

Well guys its great that we can agree to disagree. At least for once, no matter where you sit - IFBB, NABBA NZ, INBA or NABBA/WFF, we have a discussion about the direction of Bodybuilding in New Zealand. A place where issues have been highlighted, thrashed out, tuned over & considered from everyone's perspective on a very public forum. This, surely, must be a breakthrough if nothing else. To see the passion & the personal stories coming up as ^^^^ is fantastic. In the end the groups that survive this transition, not only in "our" camp, but perhaps in the others mentioned, will be the better & stronger for this type of debate & sharing of information.

We may not be able to change the past, the hurt, the disappointment, the ill feeling, but WE CAN HEAL IT. Lets give thanks to those that were involved, & move on into a bright & positive future & get this sport back where people want to be involved & feel part of it, be they competitors, officials or supporters. In a small country like New Zealand we can only do this if we work together & not against each other.

Awesome :nod:

[Grego]

:haha:

Right - I'll go to my corner now - shall I? :smackbottom: Naughty Miss! :grin:

[hawks]

Well guys its great that we can agree to disagree. At least for once, no matter where you sit - IFBB, NABBA NZ, INBA or NABBA/WFF, we have a discussion about the direction of Bodybuilding in New Zealand. A place where issues have been highlighted, thrashed out, tuned over & considered from everyone's perspective on a very public forum. This, surely, must be a breakthrough if nothing else. To see the passion & the personal stories coming up as ^^^^ is fantastic. In the end the groups that survive this transition, not only in "our" camp, but perhaps in the others mentioned, will be the better & stronger for this type of debate & sharing of information.

We may not be able to change the past, the hurt, the disappointment, the ill feeling, but WE CAN HEAL IT. Lets give thanks to those that were involved, & move on into a bright & positive future & get this sport back where people want to be involved & feel part of it, be they competitors, officials or supporters. In a small country like New Zealand we can only do this if we work together & not against each other.

WELL SAID . :nod: time to move on .

[musclenz]

Cheers Missy & Alan. Its people like you around the country that will make the difference. We really appreciate your assistance. Now come out of that corner Missy :pfft:

[jimjim83]

Well guys its great that we can agree to disagree. At least for once, no matter where you sit - IFBB, NABBA NZ, INBA or NABBA/WFF, we have a discussion about the direction of Bodybuilding in New Zealand. A place where issues have been highlighted, thrashed out, tuned over & considered from everyone's perspective on a very public forum. This, surely, must be a breakthrough if nothing else. To see the passion & the personal stories coming up as ^^^^ is fantastic. In the end the groups that survive this transition, not only in "our" camp, but perhaps in the others mentioned, will be the better & stronger for this type of debate & sharing of information.

We may not be able to change the past, the hurt, the disappointment, the ill feeling, but WE CAN HEAL IT. Lets give thanks to those that were involved, & move on into a bright & positive future & get this sport back where people want to be involved & feel part of it, be they competitors, officials or supporters. In a small country like New Zealand we can only do this if we work together & not against each other.

You need to get some test into your system cos this is the girliest thing you've ever posted!! :pfft:

[musclenz]

Well guys its great that we can agree to disagree. At least for once, no matter where you sit - IFBB, NABBA NZ, INBA or NABBA/WFF, we have a discussion about the direction of Bodybuilding in New Zealand. A place where issues have been highlighted, thrashed out, tuned over & considered from everyone's perspective on a very public forum. This, surely, must be a breakthrough if nothing else. To see the passion & the personal stories coming up as ^^^^ is fantastic. In the end the groups that survive this transition, not only in "our" camp, but perhaps in the others mentioned, will be the better & stronger for this type of debate & sharing of information.

We may not be able to change the past, the hurt, the disappointment, the ill feeling, but WE CAN HEAL IT. Lets give thanks to those that were involved, & move on into a bright & positive future & get this sport back where people want to be involved & feel part of it, be they competitors, officials or supporters. In a small country like New Zealand we can only do this if we work together & not against each other.

You need to get some test into your system cos this is the girliest thing you've ever posted!! :pfft:

Occassionally I Am spirited into my esoteric personality. I makes a refreshing change to dealing with those on the "Dark Side" like you. :pfft:

[agent86]

musclenz wrote:Well guys its great that we can agree to disagree. At least for once, no matter where you sit - IFBB, NABBA NZ, INBA or NABBA/WFF, we have a discussion about the direction of Bodybuilding in New Zealand. A place where issues have been highlighted, thrashed out, tuned over & considered from everyone's perspective on a very public forum. This, surely, must be a breakthrough if nothing else. To see the passion & the personal stories coming up as ^^^^ is fantastic. In the end the groups that survive this transition, not only in "our" camp, but perhaps in the others mentioned, will be the better & stronger for this type of debate & sharing of information.

We may not be able to change the past, the hurt, the disappointment, the ill feeling, but WE CAN HEAL IT. Lets give thanks to those that were involved, & move on into a bright & positive future & get this sport back where people want to be involved & feel part of it, be they competitors, officials or supporters. In a small country like New Zealand we can only do this if we work together & not against each other.

JimJim83 wrote:

You need to get some test into your system cos this is the girliest thing you've ever posted!! :

JimJim83 ,you are all that is bad about NabbaNZ. One stupid remark about MuscleNZ but no positive suggestions. MuscleNZ is saying that things have been done behind closed doors for ages and I agree with him.What is about all this secrecy. Why was it a big deal to see GL's email. All this secrecy has delayed things so much that Christchurch has gone off alone and people have become shitty on the forums. Things should have been sorted out last year. It is a scandal and we are sick of waiting and being kept in the dark.

And JimJim83 you idiot don't use cheap shots like telling someone to get some test into their system.