The direction of NABBA in NZ

[COMPETE]

I have read with interest the postings on this site regarding NABBA New Zealand. As most of these postings are a mixture of conjecture, supposition, and, I suspect, more than a few sour grapes, I would like to present the facts of this situation as I see them. In doing this I would initially like to ignore the fact that NABBA has been split internationally for a number of years. To debate the rights and wrongs of this would simply bog us all down in an endless sea of political recriminations and do nothing to assist us to move positively into the future.

Due to the international financial crisis during 2008-9 the promoters of the NABBA International World and Universe Championships with which NABBA New Zealand is aligned had to cancel their events due to the withdrawal of sponsorship funds. This was naturally very disappointing to those athletes who had prepared with these in mind. During the latter half of 2009 I talked to Jim and suggested that the time had come when we had to look at re-combining with the “other” NABBA and give our athletes the opportunity of competing at the NABBA Universe as part of a New Zealand team. In late December Jim asked me to go to Palmerston North to further discuss this situation. He felt that due to the “Bad Blood” created during the break between the various factions of NABBA his continuing Presidency of NABBA New Zealand was a barrier preventing an amalgamation of the organizations. He proposed that if I was agreeable he would retire as President of NABBA New Zealand if I would accept the post of President and assist the combination of the two organizations. If this was agreeable he was prepared to stand aside from all participation in NABBA New Zealand affairs.

Considering that Jim Pitt had spent 20 years in founding and organizing NABBA New Zealand this was a huge concession to make. My reply was that I was prepared to do this on the condition that any action taken was ratified by the Executive Committee of NABBA New Zealand either at the Annual Meeting or a subsequent meeting dependent on the progress of negotiations. After this meeting with Jim I e-mailed a letter to Graeme Lancefield, World President of NABBA, and Klaus Hoffman, outlining the situation and quote;

“This is a time for new directions, and I am looking to develop new opportunities for our New Zealand athletes to compete at International Events. I would like to send a NABBA New Zealand Representative Team to compete at the 2010 NABBA International World Championships, which I understand are being held in Malta.”

The reply I received from Graeme contained these conditions:

“Firstly, you would need to resign your position within the INBA as we see this as a conflict of interest and a monopoly on NZ bodybuilding.

( 2 ) NABBA is a democratic Association and there must be a registered vote by only legitimate delegates at your AGM on January 30th.

( 3 ) The NABBA NZ website would need to eliminate all reference to Jose Lopez as World President and the fake NABBA International.

( 4 ) The future administration and promotion of NABBA NZ must exclude the involvement of Jim Pitt, his son and his partner Marianne Poole.

( 5 ) The NABBA HQ must not be registered in Palmerston North.”

I do not have a problem with Graeme setting out some conditions, after all this is a basis for negotiation, and it is up to NABBA NZ and the persons concerned to accept, reject or offer a compromise for further negotiation. What I do have misgivings about is the forwarding of my correspondence to other parties in New Zealand and posting it on forums before the NABBA NZ Executive Meeting have had a chance to consider these conditions. This does not seem a constructive or professional approach to the situation but this is my own opinion.

At the NABBA New Zealand Congress meeting all correspondence concerning this matter was discussed and the delegates attending were unanimous in rejecting the conditions requested by Graeme. A letter stating this has been sent to Graeme. I have also talked personally to Graeme to see if there was some way that a compromise could be reached but he is adamant that these conditions must be met before he would allow teams from NABBA New Zealand to compete in the NABBA International events.

For most NABBA New Zealand members there will be no obvious change. They can still compete against their fellow athletes in the events which are well managed by the local representatives and compete internationally in any events that NABBA New Zealand support. For those who wish to compete in the NABBA World Championships and NABBA Universe Graeme says that they are welcome to qualify in Australia and I have no quarrel with that. After all one of the first things that impressed me about NABBA New Zealand was the fact that they placed no barriers for people from other organizations who wished to compete with them or for their members who wanted to compete in non NABBA events while still NABBA members. Unfortunately, they would need to be fully self funded.

To those who have stated in this forum that Jim Pitt has ruined NABBA New Zealand please note that our National Championships had well over a 100 contestants and the Overall Winners were of a high standard.

Not everybody aspires to be a Mr Universe or Ms Olympia.

Peter Hardwick NABBA NZ Executive Member.

[hawks]

I have read with interest the postings on this site regarding NABBA New Zealand. As most of these postings are a mixture of conjecture, supposition, and, I suspect, more than a few sour grapes, I would like to present the facts of this situation as I see them. In doing this I would initially like to ignore the fact that NABBA has been split internationally for a number of years. To debate the rights and wrongs of this would simply bog us all down in an endless sea of political recriminations and do nothing to assist us to move positively into the future.

Due to the international financial crisis during 2008-9 the promoters of the NABBA International World and Universe Championships with which NABBA New Zealand is aligned had to cancel their events due to the withdrawal of sponsorship funds. This was naturally very disappointing to those athletes who had prepared with these in mind. During the latter half of 2009 I talked to Jim and suggested that the time had come when we had to look at re-combining with the “other” NABBA and give our athletes the opportunity of competing at the NABBA Universe as part of a New Zealand team. In late December Jim asked me to go to Palmerston North to further discuss this situation. He felt that due to the “Bad Blood” created during the break between the various factions of NABBA his continuing Presidency of NABBA New Zealand was a barrier preventing an amalgamation of the organizations. He proposed that if I was agreeable he would retire as President of NABBA New Zealand if I would accept the post of President and assist the combination of the two organizations. If this was agreeable he was prepared to stand aside from all participation in NABBA New Zealand affairs.

Considering that Jim Pitt had spent 20 years in founding and organizing NABBA New Zealand this was a huge concession to make. My reply was that I was prepared to do this on the condition that any action taken was ratified by the Executive Committee of NABBA New Zealand either at the Annual Meeting or a subsequent meeting dependent on the progress of negotiations. After this meeting with Jim I e-mailed a letter to Graeme Lancefield, World President of NABBA, and Klaus Hoffman, outlining the situation and quote;

“This is a time for new directions, and I am looking to develop new opportunities for our New Zealand athletes to compete at International Events. I would like to send a NABBA New Zealand Representative Team to compete at the 2010 NABBA International World Championships, which I understand are being held in Malta.”

The reply I received from Graeme contained these conditions:

“Firstly, you would need to resign your position within the INBA as we see this as a conflict of interest and a monopoly on NZ bodybuilding.

( 2 ) NABBA is a democratic Association and there must be a registered vote by only legitimate delegates at your AGM on January 30th.

( 3 ) The NABBA NZ website would need to eliminate all reference to Jose Lopez as World President and the fake NABBA International.

( 4 ) The future administration and promotion of NABBA NZ must exclude the involvement of Jim Pitt, his son and his partner Marianne Poole.

( 5 ) The NABBA HQ must not be registered in Palmerston North.”

I do not have a problem with Graeme setting out some conditions, after all this is a basis for negotiation, and it is up to NABBA NZ and the persons concerned to accept, reject or offer a compromise for further negotiation. What I do have misgivings about is the forwarding of my correspondence to other parties in New Zealand and posting it on forums before the NABBA NZ Executive Meeting have had a chance to consider these conditions. This does not seem a constructive or professional approach to the situation but this is my own opinion.

At the NABBA New Zealand Congress meeting all correspondence concerning this matter was discussed and the delegates attending were unanimous in rejecting the conditions requested by Graeme. A letter stating this has been sent to Graeme. I have also talked personally to Graeme to see if there was some way that a compromise could be reached but he is adamant that these conditions must be met before he would allow teams from NABBA New Zealand to compete in the NABBA International events.

For most NABBA New Zealand members there will be no obvious change. They can still compete against their fellow athletes in the events which are well managed by the local representatives and compete internationally in any events that NABBA New Zealand support. For those who wish to compete in the NABBA World Championships and NABBA Universe Graeme says that they are welcome to qualify in Australia and I have no quarrel with that. After all one of the first things that impressed me about NABBA New Zealand was the fact that they placed no barriers for people from other organizations who wished to compete with them or for their members who wanted to compete in non NABBA events while still NABBA members. Unfortunately, they would need to be fully self funded.

To those who have stated in this forum that Jim Pitt has ruined NABBA New Zealand please note that our National Championships had well over a 100 contestants and the Overall Winners were of a high standard.

Not everybody aspires to be a Mr Universe or Ms Olympia.

Peter Hardwick NABBA NZ Executive Member.

I suppose its like the old claytons add really its the drink when ya not having a drink . :shock:

[Maree]

1. Peter has not been ousted

2. Personal attacks on the classes I choose to compete in, use of steriods and my placements at shows just show how petty and small you are Hawks and Ann. BB is moving forward by introducing new classes etc. If we hadn't it would have died out long ago, as not all people are interested in doing physique.

3. MNZ - go for gold, organise a NABBA Australia/WFF show in NZ. Remember bums on seats and comp numbers equal success. It's interesting though that in order to offer world level classes for all our athletes (including figure, fitness, athletic), we are expected to align to two different federations and take two different teams to two different places in the world to compete.... on the smell of an oily rag.....

4. Who says we haven't replied to GL. Just because we didn't email it to everyone doesn't mean we don't have things in the pipeline for international alignments.

5. GL seems to operate below the belt in terms of his demands on Peter Hardwick and NABBA NZ - yet we are supposed to roll over for that? I don't know the guy - I do know J&M and have "fronted up to the AGM for the truth" as all of us Reps did.

6. If we are the "fake NABBA" then all those titles won by competitors in any NABBA NZ show since 2002ish will be null and void - is that promoting the sport to athletes?? Is that rewarding athletes for their hard earned work???

7. And - do any of you actually compete for NABBA NZ?

Maeve

NABBA NZ - Wellington

Maeve

Come on honestly! do you actually read what you write? or just have a rant? Get with the times! Fitness in NZ? if you are an example of this then it has no chance. Was figure to hard to place? so we do fitness. You complain and state many times about getting bums on seats! who wants to compete for a federation that has no interest in there competitors. Who wants to waste there money even thinking about going to a "Fake Worlds". Im sorry but if it doesnt change, which I dont think it will, you may find it harder getting any bums on seats. It will push people to Aussie or across to NZFBB.

[NABBA]

Maree save the personal BS. I competed and placed in both figure and fitness, putting my money where my mouth was and doing what I said I would - that's called intergrity. Secondly fitness is a growing area both nationally and internationally.

You seem awfully concerned about the international state of affairs ..to me that would imply that you think you are of an international quality and therefore don't want to compete for NABBA NZ as you may not get to go to a "real worlds". Hmmm, oh well we don't get to see you at one of our shows .. what a pity.

[Maree]

Maree save the personal BS. I competed and placed in both figure and fitness, putting my money where my mouth was and doing what I said I would - that's called intergrity. Secondly fitness is a growing area both nationally and internationally.

You seem awfully concerned about the international state of affairs ..to me that would imply that you think you are of an international quality and therefore don't want to compete for NABBA NZ as you may not get to go to a "real worlds". Hmmm, oh well we don't get to see you at one of our shows .. what a pity.

Firstly I have competed Internationally for Nabba NZ or should say "Fake Nabba" but have retired since. I do support our bodybuilding sport and would not even think about competing for Nabba NZ now. If I was to compete it would definately be over the ditch. I am in full support of our top atheletes and would even look at personally helping in raising funds for them to compete at a real world event. Yes Fitness is in full swing over seas but not here in NZ.

[Grego]

Firstly I have competed Internationally for Nabba NZ or should say "Fake Nabba" but have retired since. I do support our bodybuilding sport and would not even think about competing for Nabba NZ now. If I was to compete it would definately be over the ditch. I am in full support of our top atheletes and would even look at personally helping in raising funds for them to compete at a real world event. Yes Fitness is in full swing over seas but not here in NZ.

I am sure I've seen you post this earlier on Maree. Do you know how to cut and paste? Well done! You say you are in full support of our top athletes or just the ones you feel are top? So you are a judge then?

You obviously didn't see Maeve at Wellington 09 as I think she looked great (and no, I don't have to say that, I could have not even brought it up, but I did because she was)

One of the first things I have learnt about my short time in bodybuilding, is that its about an athlete's personal journey. I remember the applause out the back when the crowd at Wellington 09 heard about an athlete who had lost over half her bodyweight to compete on stage in her respective class. Was she a Michelle Middleton or a Kim Carter? No she wasn't, not quite, but her journey to where she was now earns respect. People can only do what they can do as that is the only thing one can control. If they choose to use the motivation of a bodybuilding competition to achieve their goals, nice one! Hey, everyone deserves the chance and not everyone wants to be the best in their class, perhaps just the best they can be for themselves. If someone turns up better than you and you are the best you can be then that's fine because you did your best, but there is always room for improvement. I have learnt from my mistakes and have gained knowledge on the way as I am sure most do, whether that be one or multiple competitions, always striving to better each time, using yourself as the benchmark and it's awesome. I'm sure you remember that well if you love the sport Maree. Which is my point; Having competed Maree I would have thought you would respect a fellow body builder as it's not easy for anyone, and frankly Maree I think you were out of line with your comments. Sure, this is a forum and everyone has their opinion, but does it make you feel better to judge Maeve, when all she is doing is re-introducing a class that the internationals love? Isn't that a step for us to move the sport forward to compete at an International level (with whatever federation that may be with)? Sure I can understand if you don't agree with the class, but it's not Maeve's fault. Some don't like athletic class either, physique obviously the pinnacle of bodybuilding, but I don't have anyone telling me I don't look like a bodybuilder, even if I am not physique.

The subject is "The direction of NABBA in NZ" I think some need to remember that, and also remember as per my previous post, we are trying for change and are in the best place to do so. I don't think there has ever been a time where we have been this close to a resolution even if it looks bleak at this stage. It will take a little time (time of which is out of my personal control) let us do it and then perhaps there might be nothing more to say. However, I am sure there will always be some unhappy people even if we did wind up in Graeme's control.

Whatever is decided, I am not quite ready to hide away the tanner just yet.... \:D/

Cheers all

Grego

[Optimass]

So is it possible to start a new federation perhaps not called NABBA but supports the ethos etc and aligns itself to the "real" NABBA? .. why do our NZ shows have to come under NABBA NZ --- Why not run the kiwi shows via the Australian Fed?

[Pseudonym]

I'll say it again, guys: No personal attacks. :evil:

Apart from being unpleasant and irrelevant to the discussion, nasty personal comments don't encourage the reps to come back. If you make things unpleasant enough for them, they'll leave the forums. And that doesn't help anyone.

To all the reps, thanks for putting your side of the story across and keeping people as informed as you can. When do you think we'll see the next official announcement?

Finally, let me absolutely clear. This topic has nothing to do with Maeve's personal physique, or which classes should be included in a competition. This topic is about the international affiliation of Nabba NZ. Stick to it.

[Ann]

Do you know how to cut and paste? Well done!

Greg, I really did believe that you could see common sense. Did you really need to make a remark such as that? We are all here for a purpose, bodybuilding and when it comes down to it - thats what we should be supporting. However, you and some of the Nabba Area Reps will still not see reason - and that is your choice. As I have said in my previous posts - some - really do need to read what has been written fully - but this has become oblivious to them.

You and the new Area Reps have been around for a short time - not anywhere long enough to see what has been happening to the state of Nabba NZ. I myself have been training for 17 nearly 18 years this year and during that time have seen many reps like yourself come and go - due to share frustration. Yes you have heart - that is a good thing - but at times you really need to listen and learn about what has come and gone - and what will be in the near future with Nabba.

As you know Alan has held out the olive branch out to you - he doesn't care whether you mention anything to him about Nabba NZ or whether you are a rep. He is more than willing to discuss the sport with you - but one would assume that you haven't got the kahunas to front up to him. You know where he trains, you know where he works - but still - you are not forthcoming. I also take exception to your collegues who - again - cannot read or choose not to read these forums properly , particularly when it comes to my husband. But when your collegues call him out and ask:

7. And - do any of you actually compete for NABBA NZ?

And he tells them - then a sarcastic remark is made by her:

And you haven't gained an NZ title in 10 years?? My god.. no wonder you are such an expert in everything...Silly me!

That is when I take exception. It is Missy Hawkins here - Alan's wife.

I have spoken to you last year at the Hawkes Bay Show and during that time all you did was moan your arse off! Then you all have the audacity to say to us that all we do is moan? Please - the next time you speak with me - make up your mind about what you want - because from what I can see - you still don't know. Also if Maeve wants to be sarcastic - we can certainly go down that track - not a problem - I definitely welcome that.

Tell me Maeve - have YOU EVER won a Open OVERALL National Nabba Title? NO - yeah - I thought as much!

[NZresident1]

YAWN :roll:

[musclenz]

So is it possible to start a new federation perhaps not called NABBA but supports the ethos etc and aligns itself to the "real" NABBA? .. why do our NZ shows have to come under NABBA NZ --- Why not run the kiwi shows via the Australian Fed?

:nod:CHECK THE EVENTS CALENDAR

[hawks]

So is it possible to start a new federation perhaps not called NABBA but supports the ethos etc and aligns itself to the "real" NABBA? .. why do our NZ shows have to come under NABBA NZ --- Why not run the kiwi shows via the Australian Fed?

NABBA nz should change there name NAFSAA NZ (national amature fitness shape athletic association NZ ) and let the real nabba run the bodybuilding shows , after all we are discussing bodybuilding with people who compete in athletic and fitness classes which does not really constitute being a bodybuilder . I might take up nates offer on taking up strongman , hmm i wonder if they have the light weight log lift , or the one legged truck pull for amputees . Honestly bodybuilding is getting basterdised with all these different classes and so called journies ( if ya wanna loose weight do a 12 week challenge that gyms often put on offer ) Bodybuilding means , build muscle , if you want to be athletic go for a run , if you are into fitness do some cardio , but please if you want to be a bodybuilder build some god dam muscle . Its a bit like turning up to race at a nascar event in a mini YA WOULDNT DO IT WOULD YA :twisted:

[NZresident1]

WoW :shock:

[agent86]

Don't get too far off the subject of "Direction of Nabba". The subject of classes is a separate issue. Even if we go with Australia there is a WFF part of the show which is weight restricted and caters for athletic abd shape physiques.

The real news is that Christchurch has aligned with Nabba/WFF Australia so now we actually now do have two Nabba's in New Zealand.

It looks like being run as a one show format with Nabba and WFF classs.

Thats put the cat among the pigeons.

[Grego]

Do you know how to cut and paste? Well done!

Greg, I really did believe that you could see common sense. Did you really need to make a remark such as that? We are all here for a purpose, bodybuilding and when it comes down to it - thats what we should be supporting. However, you and some of the Nabba Area Reps will still not see reason - and that is your choice. As I have said in my previous posts - some - really do need to read what has been written fully - but this has become oblivious to them.

You and the new Area Reps have been around for a short time - not anywhere long enough to see what has been happening to the state of Nabba NZ. I myself have been training for 17 nearly 18 years this year and during that time have seen many reps like yourself come and go - due to share frustration. Yes you have heart - that is a good thing - but at times you really need to listen and learn about what has come and gone - and what will be in the near future with Nabba.

As you know Alan has held out the olive branch out to you - he doesn't care whether you mention anything to him about Nabba NZ or whether you are a rep. He is more than willing to discuss the sport with you - but one would assume that you haven't got the kahunas to front up to him. You know where he trains, you know where he works - but still - you are not forthcoming. I also take exception to your collegues who - again - cannot read or choose not to read these forums properly , particularly when it comes to my husband. But when your collegues call him out and ask:

7. And - do any of you actually compete for NABBA NZ?

And he tells them - then a sarcastic remark is made by her:

And you haven't gained an NZ title in 10 years?? My god.. no wonder you are such an expert in everything...Silly me!

That is when I take exception. It is Missy Hawkins here - Alan's wife.

I have spoken to you last year at the Hawkes Bay Show and during that time all you did was moan your arse off! Then you all have the audacity to say to us that all we do is moan? Please - the next time you speak with me - make up your mind about what you want - because from what I can see - you still don't know. Also if Maeve wants to be sarcastic - we can certainly go down that track - not a problem - I definitely welcome that.

Tell me Maeve - have YOU EVER won a Open OVERALL National Nabba Title? NO - yeah - I thought as much!

Hi Missy, nice of you too join us. Sure, we had a conversation and it was good to get your opinion. And in your opinion, if I moaned, then I guess I am just like most on here. I never once said I didn't moan, but to me, a moan is something which is said which has no action. Did I do something about it? Yes. Will there be change? Hope so.

As for my comment to Maree, well I am guilty of also stooping to such level which provokes the words two wrongs don't make a right, as you have taken exception to words typed about Alan, I did for Maeve. I think thats call loyalty to fellow man and will call you a truce on that. Maree, I don't know you (well perhaps, I am good with faces, but names...) and I apologise for my comments if they offended you.

I see the struggles that Maeve and Nev have gone too to get one of the best sponsors to represent an area in a long while so they have my up most respect. Now I know you are Missy and not Ann that makes it a bit easier as I have had a run in with you earlier and actually didn't think it would be you...

This is by no means any disrespect Missy, but what do you think talking to Alan will do? There have been a lot of things happen in bodybuilding politically, but by dragging up the past, will not move forward it only brings up bad blood. I think most of it was covered with our chat at HB 09. You know I am only new, and yes reps come and go, but surely you haven't heard of any such noise as this before toward a definite change? Oh and just for the record, I am going out on a limb here; Joe from Spain was not brought up at congress, and that side of International competition was not discussed and hasn't been put forward as an option. Whatever federation NABBA NZ choose to align with overseas, that isn't one of them. The congress has been and gone, I have said what I wanted too (cue moaning) and I'll have to wait and see like everyone else. Again, I don't dislike either you or Alan otherwise I would not have talked to you about the International scene. I do respect what both of you have achieved (Alan looked awesome at HB 09). Again, I am simply on here too try and get things going and if I fail, at least I tried.

Thanks

Grego

[Grego]

Bodybuilding means , build muscle , if you want to be athletic go for a run , if you are into fitness do some cardio , but please if you want to be a bodybuilder build some god dam muscle . Its a bit like turning up to race at a nascar event in a mini YA WOULDNT DO IT WOULD YA :twisted:

[Optimass]

So is it possible to start a new federation perhaps not called NABBA but supports the ethos etc and aligns itself to the "real" NABBA? .. why do our NZ shows have to come under NABBA NZ --- Why not run the kiwi shows via the Australian Fed?

:nod:CHECK THE EVENTS CALENDAR

LOL .... Nate had already pointed out my folly :pfft: - I'm going to take up powerlifting until the smoke clears.

[musclenz]

There are some serious problems that I can see regarding some of these posts.

Firstly, you can't run two NABBA federations in the one country.

The fact of the matter is that Jim and his 'fake' NABBA have been trading as NABBA for many years now.

Even though they are fake, 'real' NABBA cannot just rock up and also trade as NABBA.

'Fake' NABBA would never allow another NABBA to start up in NZ.

They would have them booted out in a hot minute.

Something like this was tried years ago in Australia with Musclemania and ANB.

It resulted in an embarrassing back down and public apology from ANB.

Try starting up a restaurant in NZ called McDonald's are see how far you get.

Two NABBA's in NZ will not happen.

The second problem I see is with Peter Hardwick taking over NABBA NZ.

This is certainly a massive conflict with his INBA duties.

I find it hard to believe that the INBA would allow one of their promoters to run a federation that openly allows the use of drugs, (NABBA).

I can't see how Peter can wear both hats?

You guys sure do come up with some strange ideas over there.

Thank you Outlaw for your observations which are duly noted. Yes NABBA NZ is an incorporated society as is NABBA International in NZ. WE expect that there will be some backlash in this area & we are looking into the legalities of this from both sides of the Tasman.

[Ann]

Great response Greg and kudos to you in replying. Let's hope that one day we can discuss things face to face than over a computer.

You are energetic and more than willing to put alot of work into shows - and on that note - you should be congratulated. Alan and I have never once disrespected either yourself or the other Area reps who run shows and have put alot of time and effort and also personal money into the Nabba events - this has never been in question. Again the only questions we have raised as - everyone else has - is the Nabba NZ Body and its affiliation and those who run it - that's all. This has been said time and again.

Anyway on that note - have a good evening and who knows - one day all this sorry mess may get sorted out once and for all.

[Grego]

Great response Greg and kudos to you in replying. Let's hope that one day we can discuss things face to face than over a computer.

You are energetic and more than willing to put alot of work into shows - and on that note - you should be congratulated. Alan and I have never once disrespected either yourself or the other Area reps who run shows and have put alot of time and effort and also personal money into the Nabba events - this has never been in question. Again the only questions we have raised as - everyone else has - is the Nabba NZ Body and its affiliation and those who run it - that's all. This has been said time and again.

Anyway on that note - have a good evening and who knows - one day all this sorry mess may get sorted out once and for all.

Thanks Missy to all the above, I do believe when the dust settles, most of us just want the same thing. It would be good to get it sorted out. I'm sure I'll see you guys around at some point. My round for coffee....

Cheers

Greg

[Andrew]

So is it possible to start a new federation perhaps not called NABBA but supports the ethos etc and aligns itself to the "real" NABBA? .. why do our NZ shows have to come under NABBA NZ --- Why not run the kiwi shows via the Australian Fed?

NABBA nz should change there name NAFSAA NZ (national amature fitness shape athletic association NZ ) and let the real nabba run the bodybuilding shows , after all we are discussing bodybuilding with people who compete in athletic and fitness classes which does not really constitute being a bodybuilder . I might take up nates offer on taking up strongman , hmm i wonder if they have the light weight log lift , or the one legged truck pull for amputees . Honestly bodybuilding is getting basterdised with all these different classes and so called journies ( if ya wanna loose weight do a 12 week challenge that gyms often put on offer ) Bodybuilding means , build muscle , if you want to be athletic go for a run , if you are into fitness do some cardio , but please if you want to be a bodybuilder build some god dam muscle . Its a bit like turning up to race at a nascar event in a mini YA WOULDNT DO IT WOULD YA :twisted:

This is a bit of topic but this is something I take to heart..... Allen you’ve known me for a long time would you be willing to say to my face that I’m not a bodybuilder?

BTW here's 2 of the top NAC athletic & fitness competitors.

[AllenNZ]

andrew are you going to say that nabba nz are looking at taking on NAC

as they are a little bit like nabba

The 2009 NAC Bodybuilding & Figure World Championships were in The Hauge, Netherlands from June 5th – June 7th 2009. For anyone not familiar with NAC, it's a newer org - slightly similar to NABBA as in it's a European thing mostly, thongs, open fed.

[hawks]

So is it possible to start a new federation perhaps not called NABBA but supports the ethos etc and aligns itself to the "real" NABBA? .. why do our NZ shows have to come under NABBA NZ --- Why not run the kiwi shows via the Australian Fed?

NABBA nz should change there name NAFSAA NZ (national amature fitness shape athletic association NZ ) and let the real nabba run the bodybuilding shows , after all we are discussing bodybuilding with people who compete in athletic and fitness classes which does not really constitute being a bodybuilder . I might take up nates offer on taking up strongman , hmm i wonder if they have the light weight log lift , or the one legged truck pull for amputees . Honestly bodybuilding is getting basterdised with all these different classes and so called journies ( if ya wanna loose weight do a 12 week challenge that gyms often put on offer ) Bodybuilding means , build muscle , if you want to be athletic go for a run , if you are into fitness do some cardio , but please if you want to be a bodybuilder build some god dam muscle . Its a bit like turning up to race at a nascar event in a mini YA WOULDNT DO IT WOULD YA :twisted:

This is a bit of topic but this is something a take to heart..... Allen you’ve know me of a long time would you be willing to say to my face that I’m not a bodybuilder?

BTW here's 2 of the top NAC athletic & fitness competitors.

I would not have any problem saying anything to anyones face , the 2 athletes in the pics have great builds , the dude looks great he should be doing physique , and the chic is not to bad either she should be doing figure , you yourself should step up to physique , they should have weight classes in nabba like they do in ifbb so little guys like yourself can compete on a even playing field . My nephew is stepping up to under 70 physique i believe . And i dont believe i said in my post Andrew Murray has no muscle so dont take it personally but if you wish to have a conversation or debate about this topic face to face as you put it no problem come have a korero some time , i might even pop down to starr and see you if you like . There is way to many classes , if you can tell me you believe shape or fitness is bodybuilding you cant be a die hard bodybuilder and granted there are some bloody good physiques in athletic why not compete in a physique class , i have actually been to shows where the athletic class has been better than some of the physique classes . Try not to get so upset Andy and dont take things so personal its no good for you cuzy :pfft:

[agent86]

When we went to the Universe in 2006 in Germany the contest had been relabelled NAC. This was when the Europeans decided two Nabba's was too much and formed National Athletic Corporation. New Zealand decided not to follow.

So NAC is basically the countries that split from Nabba UK in 2002 and changed name in 2006. It is made up mainly of European countries.

I would say Nabba NZ would be looking at this option now.

Their World's are in June and Universe usually Beginning of December.

[SportsGuru]

Hello all

Despite all of the tooing and froing on this threed thus far i do belive that the majority of the post indicat one thing "change is needed"

as you have all seen my name is now attaced to the event Christchurch Grand Prix, yesterday i sent in my resignation as area rep to nabba nz hq and all of the other area reps, I whised them well in there endevors for there shows around the contry and in there efforts to come find a clear pathway for athleets to follow.

I personaly unfortunatly could not attend the AGM on the 30th however i tabled a lengty report outlining the concurns that the attletes in my region had and the outcome they would like to see, affiliation with NABBA/WFF

this having been said i and many others here in christchurch and around the contry have been in comunications with Greame Lancefeild for a long time, and he is a very Black and white stand up gentelman who from the start has wanted to see a resolution for New zealand competiters,.

i have compleat confidance in what we are doing and belive that by giving a stepping stone to our top level athlettes we are also incouraging our novice and local competiters to get in and suport the shows,

i urge any Body form any part of the country and from any federation to have a look at the NABBA/WFF websites,

We would also like to hear expersions of intrest in compeeting in this show, or any subsequent shows that we will be holding,

we will also be looking for anyone around the contry who is interested in becoming a judge

To the other New Zealand area reps thanks for your suportive words, also thanks for your help over the last few years whit the christchurch shows.

look forward to seeing you at the Christchurch Grand Prix and am i am excited for the future of the sport in new zealand

Kingsley Hannah