Brand 'X' protein vs Milk powder? Myth bust please.

[andy s]

Hello.

Im new around here and wondering if someone can tell me if protein powders are going to have benefits over using a trim milk powder.

I havent used a protein supp in a long time and remember reading (in what I think was mens health mag) that the same gains can be made using milk powder???

Thanks.

[bulking4ever]

Whey Protein is made up mainly with milk protein so you're dealing with the same kind of product.Whey powders would be a way better choice for you due to its concentrates.Just check the amount of protein in 30gr of milk powder and compare to whats in the same 30gr of whey protein.Plus the powders are usually a bland of milk,egg,soy and other kinds of protein.

[Beef]

Hello.

Im new around here and wondering if someone can tell me if protein powders are going to have benefits over using a trim milk powder.

I havent used a protein supp in a long time and remember reading (in what I think was mens health mag) that the same gains can be made using milk powder???

Thanks.

milk protein is approximately 20% whey, 80% casein. whey protein is easily and rapidly absorbed, whereas casein has a much slower absorption rate.

personally i think protein powder isn't an essential part of a bodybuilding diet, contrary to all the marketing it receives. i've pretty much lived off milk powder since i started bodybuilding, and it seems to work for me. but its up to you mate, if you want to spend a lot more money and go for a "better absorbed" protein, then that's all good.

at the end of the day, protein is protein.

[Chemo]

if you just wanna put on weight (muscle and fat) then milk poweder or even milk is all good ay, but if you just want the protien without the carbs and fat that come with milk go with the whey. I think whey also has a higher Biological value (amino acids) than normal milk, dunno could be wrong there but im too lazy to google.

hope that helps a lil

my opinion would be to buy a lil whey conc for just after your workout, then just get your meant and dairy the rest of the time . Whey taste alright as well, its like a milkshake, even if you get natural unflavoured and add a lil cocoa :nod:

goodluck

[andy s]

Thanks for that guys. For me at the moment, its more about dollars and cents. Cant really afford to drop $80/month or more or protein powder.

Ive been using 4 table spoons of skim milk powder with 2 table spoons of milo for flavor. Funny enough ive found it to be alot less bloating than the Balance product I used last. Ill have this shake straight after training (about 8.30 pm) and find that it holds me to the morning. The milo also takes care of the sugar craving I seem to get... is that normal? During the day I have my eggs and tuna.

Thanks again for the advice.

Andy.

[Beef]

Thanks for that guys. For me at the moment, its more about dollars and cents. Cant really afford to drop $80/month or more or protein powder.

Ive been using 4 table spoons of skim milk powder with 2 table spoons of milo for flavor. Funny enough ive found it to be alot less bloating than the Balance product I used last. Ill have this shake straight after training (about 8.30 pm) and find that it holds me to the morning. The milo also takes care of the sugar craving I seem to get... is that normal? During the day I have my eggs and tuna.

Thanks again for the advice.

Andy.

i get my protein powder from eatme- pay around $40 a month and that's two servings per day. so if you do end up trying it, don't go for the expensive stuff- after all, you don't eat the packaging lol

good luck with your training/diet

[andy s]

Thanks Gymsta. Just had alook at Eatme. Excellent site with excellent prices. I read through their product descriptions for both whey and Isolate to try figure which would best suit me. If im trying to increase my lean muscle (most like the athletic class in their photos) it sounds like im better off with the Isolate??? They also mentioned in their usage to use before and after training? I thought carbs were more useful pre-workout?

Andy.

[Beef]

Thanks Gymsta. Just had alook at Eatme. Excellent site with excellent prices. I read through their product descriptions for both whey and Isolate to try figure which would best suit me. If im trying to increase my lean muscle (most like the athletic class in their photos) it sounds like im better off with the Isolate??? They also mentioned in their usage to use before and after training? I thought carbs were more useful pre-workout?

Andy.

mate don't go for isolate, trust me its a rip off. if you're looking to get bigger, go for normal whey. not worth the price increase for a bit less saturated fat, etc . but that's just my opinion.

they want you to take it before AND after workout so they make more money lol, plain and simple. once a day right after you workout is fine

[andy s]

will give it ago. Thanks again.

[bulking4ever]

Whey is very good for after workout but IMO you should stick with real food for the rest of the day.So like Gymsta said, leave your whey for post workout along with some dextrose, and the rest of the day eat plenty of egg whites,chicken,fish, etc...

[andy s]

what is dextrose and what will it do for me?

[bulking4ever]

Dextrose is the purest form of glucose.Its pretty much a differente kind of sugar.It has a high glycemic value so once you swallow it will cause a spike of insulin wich will transport the Aminoacids and the Glycogen to your muscles.You can buy 400gr for less than 2 bucks at the supermarket.That combined with Whey will be your crucial post workout shake.

[Beef]

Dextrose is the purest form of glucose.Its pretty much a differente kind of sugar.It has a high glycemic value so once you swallow it will cause a spike of insulin wich will transport the Aminoacids and the Glycogen to your muscles.You can buy 400gr for less than bucks at the supermarket.That combined with Whey will be your crucial post workout shake.

i dont think dextrose is essential unless you're taking creatine. personally i wouldn't bother, but given that it costs shit all you might as well give it a go.i just bought 4 kilos of it for 8 bucks

[andy s]

At that price it cant hurt to try. Would the fact that it is a type of sugar and doing what it does post workout, explain why I get massive sugar cravings about an hour or two after training?

Andy.

[Beef]

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[Flex]

Can people that don't know what they are talking about stop giving advice. There should be some sort of disclaimer on this site that stops this kind of shit eg:

Dextrose is the purest form of glucose.

Dextrose IS Glucose.

post workout your body needs simple sugars. hence why you crave them. try having fruit post workout instead of other sources of sugar.

Fruit contains predominantly fructose which is shit post workout unless you want to get fat. Fructose can't be stored as muscle glycogen so only restores your liver and any excess gets stored as fat. Any other form of carbs (oats, dextrose, maltodextrin, weetbix or even bread) will be fine, just steer clear of fructose unless in some rare instance you've had a marathon training session and have depleted your liver glycogen.

Whey Protein is made up mainly with milk protein so you're dealing with the same kind of product.

That's like saying petrol comes from oil so you may as well start putting oil in your gas tank.

[thatwaslight]

Can people that don't know what they are talking about stop giving advice. There should be some sort of disclaimer on this site that stops this kind of shit eg:

Dextrose is the purest form of glucose.

Dextrose IS Glucose.

post workout your body needs simple sugars. hence why you crave them. try having fruit post workout instead of other sources of sugar.

Fruit contains predominantly fructose which is shit post workout unless you want to get fat. Fructose can't be stored as muscle glycogen so only restores your liver and any excess gets stored as fat. Any other form of carbs (oats, dextrose, maltodextrin, weetbix or even bread) will be fine, just steer clear of fructose unless in some rare instance you've had a marathon training session and have depleted your liver glycogen.

Whey Protein is made up mainly with milk protein so you're dealing with the same kind of product.

That's like saying petrol comes from oil so you may as well start putting oil in your gas tank.

hahaha great post

[Beef]

In general, you want to avoid fruit during the post-workout period, because it is largely composed of fructose. Fructose is a simple monosaccharide sugar, that has a low GI, but it has a high impact on proteins, which are what your body needs to utilize to repair and grow muscle. While this is good at other times in the day because it will have no impact on insulin levels, it is not the best option for after exercise because it goes directly to your liver. Since your aim is to get the carbs to the muscle, this obviously isn’t going to do the trick.

[bulking4ever]

Can people that don't know what they are talking about stop giving advice. There should be some sort of disclaimer on this site that stops this kind of shit eg:

Dextrose is the purest form of glucose.

Dextrose IS Glucose.

post workout your body needs simple sugars. hence why you crave them. try having fruit post workout instead of other sources of sugar.

Fruit contains predominantly fructose which is shit post workout unless you want to get fat. Fructose can't be stored as muscle glycogen so only restores your liver and any excess gets stored as fat. Any other form of carbs (oats, dextrose, maltodextrin, weetbix or even bread) will be fine, just steer clear of fructose unless in some rare instance you've had a marathon training session and have depleted your liver glycogen.

Whey Protein is made up mainly with milk protein so you're dealing with the same kind of product.

That's like saying petrol comes from oil so you may as well start putting oil in your gas tank.

Well I guess you got the attention you wanted so congrats.

I said that about the protein just to clarify things so he knows what he's dealing with, and if you have a look I explained why IMO whey is better.

Also what I meant about the DEXTROSE was because it is is not the only form of glucose.And NO, DEXTROSE is not glucose,It is SUGAR and once IN YOUR BODY it is CONVERTED to glucose...They don't sell glucose in wee boxes for 2 bucks!Now that's a dumb thing to say isn't it? Also Weet-Bix for post workout? :doh: Yes they are carbs but they are very slow digested, and what you don't want after a killer workout it slow diggesting foods as they will take time to digest while simple sugars will spike insulin straight away.Anyways I bet he got the picture but you just had to make those coments.Well, well done you made your day. :clap:

[Chemo]

Lol flex that was a pretty champ effort ><

"Dextrose is the purest form of glucose" this got me worried

I was kinda worrying that there was a purer form of glucose than glucose.

weetbix and oats are good for post workout, you got like a 4 hour window in which your body will be more receptive to an increase in calories and carbs, Glucose or startchy carbs. Point is you wanna eat after the workout, something we can all agree on.

Anyone read that study on post workout carbs being counter productive?

It was an ebook that was linked somewhere on the nzbb forums. I cant find it now, but what it was saying is that post workout carbs aren't that crucial, the body will break down fat into ketone's and replenish the muscle. Real interesting stuff.

Check this andy

http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_arti ... CEDD.hydra

you'll end up looking like the pros on the right of the page (haircuts included) :pfft: :pfft: :pfft:

[bulking4ever]

WTF bro?! What I tried to say was DEXTROSE > SUGAR (like the other ones)> In your body> GLUCOSE(quickest because of the highest GI)

And 4 hours window ???????????????????????

This is going from a Helping topic to a Criticizing topic... :naughty:

[Chemo]

ololololol sorry bro

your right

I'll leave the criticizing to Flex, im not that experienced

:nod: :nod:

[andy s]

cheers, that makes for an interesting (and quite funny) read. As for looking like those fellas...... I couldnt get that big or grow that hair even if I wanted to!

Andy.

[Travel Express]

I always follow my workout by a protein shake made with 350ml of milk, and then start cooking tea which is generally 350g steak, green beans/broccoli, and pasta. And then before bed i have another protein shake.

Protein powders are designed for muscle repair. Muscle Tech Nitro tech gain 8.4lbs in 2weeks (could also be Nitritech)

Skim milk Powder?? well that's just milk imo. although i have heard of 1 or 2 people using it to bulk.

[Beef]

Protein powders are designed for muscle repair. Muscle Tech Nitro tech gain 8.4lbs in 2weeks (could also be Nitritech)

Skim milk Powder?? well that's just milk imo. although i have heard of 1 or 2 people using it to bulk.

its amazing how so many people seem to be brainwashed by all the protein powder companies! :shock:

of course skim milk powder is just milk! but milk is a cheap and effective way of getting protein.