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I didn't really know where to post this but here seems pretty good seeing as the focus is recovering / growing (although it's not about eating!). :grin:

There seem to be a huge number of people giving advice on what to eat, when to eat it, and what supplements are useful in assisting growth & recovery. IMHO some of this seems to be quite constructive lately, with some science, logic & practice behind it - long may this last! :nod:

But nutrition is only part of it. I'm not going to make some random statistic up (like "its 1/3 training, 1/3 eating and 1/3 sleeping" - who even comes up with this horseshit! :grin: ), but IMO sleep requirements often seem to be the poor cousin of diet & training.

I'd love to hear some good discussion on sleep needs, hopefully with the aforementioned science as well as personal experience behind it?

Anyone?

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GREAT topic nate.

ive always maintained (and still do) that sleep is the hardest part of the puzzle for me. im a baker by trade, and 330am starts were the norm for me for the last nine years. only recently moved to doing some 5ams which is HUGE, lifechanging for me. the extra hour and a half is massive.

i wish i could get more, and better quality sleep - im adamant it would make notable difference.

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I am the first to admit that at times my sleep patterns aren't perfect. I personally feel flat when I've had less than 6 hours or so sleep, usually I try to overcome this with an energy drink prior to my training, but I know it's a quick fix and I'm letting myself down (as my diet is pretty solid & I train both smart and hard).

Keen to here others thoughts & experiences on this, PMan - any research you've come across around this?

Nate

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LOL - I've already had abusive PM's saying I'm targetting people!

Nate

post them up. for research purposes :grin:

I personally feel flat when I've had less than 6 hours or so sleep, usually I try to overcome this with an energy drink prior to my training, but I know it's a quick fix and I'm letting myself down

know the feeling. less than 6 is a regular for me - and i can always tell im affected, and sometimes buy 'bullets' from bodyfuel just to push me through.

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My sleeping patterns are crap at the moment. I go to bed at around 12, sometimes 2am and wake up at 6:30. Something i really need to sort and i have been thinking about this the last few days.

I am going to start on Monday with being in bed ready for sleep by 10:30 and wake up at 6:30am. A good 8 hours of sleep.

Not only is training harder when tired but recovery is lessened. What are your opinions on having some sort of slow release protein shake before bed to help with recovery on training days? Sounds plausible...

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My sleeping patterns are crap at the moment. I go to bed at around 12, sometimes 2am and wake up at 6:30. Something i really need to sort and i have been thinking about this the last few days.

I am going to start on Monday with being in bed ready for sleep by 10:30 and wake up at 6:30am. A good 8 hours of sleep.

Not only is training harder when tired but recovery is lessened. What are your opinions on having some sort of slow release protein shake before bed to help with recovery on training days? Sounds plausible...

I didnt really notice too much of a difference with slow release protein before bedtime personally.

As for sleep its basically training your self to meet that target of 7-8hours sleep and thinking over what keeps you up so late at night and knocking it on the head.

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Not so sure its the number of hours you get thats important, but more so the quality of sleep you get in those hours. If for example your are up every couple of hours having a protein shake & a couple of NSAIDs to relieve the pain of your last workout, or you are changing your sheets because the 100mg Tren ace is making you sweat like a bastard, or you have drunk so much water to avoid kidney failure from all the toxins you are putting into your body everyday that you need to pee 3 times during the night, & then you get a raging boner on at 4am so you have to wake up the wife to help you out, well then thats not quality sleep & somewhat counter productive to your BBing program. (arguably the dawnbreaker is beneficial to good cardio vascular function). So I feel that 5-6 hours of good unbroken sleep can be better than 7-8 hours between going to bed & getting up. After all I have heard that the body was designed to get about 6 hrs sleep, wake at 4am where brain function (& some other functions :pfft: ) are at their peak with a short rest in the PM. But this does not really work with our Western lifestyle regrettably.

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Sleep...Important!

I remember a wise Pro :pfft: telling me how he knew another "pro" who while on a bulk would sleep upto 16 hours a day and this Mofo would grow like weeds.

Had a few weeks of training and 6hours sleep is fine for me, back into training hard this week...thought i could get away with 6hours still=epic fail. I am fucked! You need sleep and I don't wake in the night either Musclenz before you ask (i sort myself out before i sleep :pfft: )

Someone will know this one...After how many hours of sleep does your body release the GH? I thought it was around the 5 hour mark.

Wuz up

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I get eight or nine hours sleep but when it is windy night or hot I find it hard to sleep.When I get about six or seven hours sleep my engery levels feel average meaning it takes me a while to have lots of engery plus I can not be bothered to do much as well

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8 or 9 hours! sounds great

Actually I find that if i do manage to sleep that much i usually wake up with a head ache,

normal max sleep i get per night is 7 hours, just can't sleep much longer

Last night for example went to sleep 10pm, wide awake at 3am!

Turned light on told missus its dawn! hahaha, but even that which usually guarantees sleep for me afterwards, nah still wide awke.

so up at 345 , brekkie and off to work, won't feel guilty going to gym today!

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