Dog food - cheap bulking

[Thunderhorse]

Was just checking out the new world website for specials, and saw that those butch 2 kg dogrolls are on special. 2 of them for $9.00. That's about 8.8 lbs of meat for $9.00, making just over $1 per pound. So I thought I'd check out the Butch website for a nutritional analysis of it.

http://www.butch.co.nz/pages/butch_custom.cfm?&goto=productrange&proddisplay=detail&prodcode=BL2

The stuff is 12% protein by wet basis (2000 grams x.12 = 240 grams), 7% fat (2000 grams x.07 = 140 grams of fat) and on top of that, is enriched with Vitamins+Minerals and omega-3s (which got me to thinking that some dogs must be eating much healthier than their owners!).

Now I know you all probably think I'm making a joke topic or something, a lot of you won't even eat protein powder without flavouring :pfft:

But the stuff is honestly probably not too bad, I mean it's just chicken, beef and lamb with vegetables. Surely it'd be ok if you fried it up a bit or did something to make it taste good. Worked for Mad Max. What do y'all think?

[rose]

You test it for us hey and let us know which flavour is best, bro :nod:

[rose]

I reckon the Porky Snacks look the biz!

[cantygirl]

Sounds abit sick to me, isnt dog roll made up of offal, chicken necks etc? i remember a vet advising me to get my dog onto dry food as dog roll is high in fat. Let us know how it goes.

[Thunderhorse]

Hahaha. I'm honestly thinking about it. The only potential problem is you have to eat a kilo of it to get 120 grams of protein (and 70 grams of fat), but I imagine it'd lose a fair bit of water after you cook it.

There is the potential of manufacturers putting junk in to bulk it up (I know for a fact there is soy in it, there also might be other crap), but the fat content doesn't bother me.

[cantygirl]

Well if you like the taste and can get enough down, good luck to you. My daughter accidentally ate some cat biscuits once and loved them, perhaps its more the perception at times. You could be onto something, packaged as cheap protein fit for human consumption!!!

[rose]

"Butch uses fresh lamb, beef and chicken from MAF inspected New Zealand establishments. Our selection of fresh meat is packed in ice, collected daily and processed within hours."

Haven't seen anything on the site that states "not fit for human consumption" (still looking!). You could be on to a winner!

[Thunderhorse]

"Butch uses fresh lamb, beef and chicken from MAF inspected New Zealand establishments. Our selection of fresh meat is packed in ice, collected daily and processed within hours."

Haven't seen anything on the site that states "not fit for human consumption" (still looking!). You could be on to a winner!

Good spotting, I didn't see that! It's quite reassuring, one of my mates was telling me not to do it because they put chicken beaks and that kind of crap in it, but I think NZ regulations are probably better than other places. Thanks!

[runveerun]

My husband is a butcher I just asked him what is in dog roll. He has made them in the past at work and they are literally made up of floor scrapings. When they clean out the bandsaw they chuck that into the dog rolls, minced up bones and all other parts of the animals humans won't eat ie: face parts, offal etc. They then add protein powder to bulk up the protein content along with binding agents. Animal food is not recommended for human consumption this is why it's given to animals. It will make you sick.

[Thunderhorse]

Bones are not bad. I usually eat the bones from chicken wings. Some people eat offal, but binding agents....hmm. It's starting to not look too good.

[runveerun]

Bones are not bad. I usually eat the bones from chicken wings. Some people eat offal, but binding agents....hmm. It's starting to not look too good.

Sure people eat bones, brains, eyes etc. It sounds like the way the stuff is handled is different to the way it would be handled if it was for humans to eat.

Let us know if you decide to try it I would be interested to hear what happens!

[rose]

I would be interested to hear what happens!

Maybe he will grow some cool appendages? :shock:

but binding agents....hmm.

Come on bro! Bit of gel never hurt anyone! Just watch out for green bile :grin:

[Travel Express]

sounds pretty gross too me, i'll stick to my tuna, chicken and steaks thanks :pfft:

[runveerun]

found this on the internet so it must be true:

Can humans eat dog food?

By dog food I take it what is meant is canned dog food. This is composed of meat and offal together with, in some products, a cereal or other non-meat filler. The product is cooked and sterilised/pasteurised during the canning process. It should therefore be microbiologically safe to eat for humans. Kibble, dried dog food, could also be taken into account, although it has significantly less moisture, and generally has a lower protein content.

There are some issues that arise from consumption of dog food, however:

1. Pet foods may be made from animals in which the presence of prions, which cause encephalopathies such as BSE in cattle and variant CJD in humans, may be likely. According to the Association of American Feed Control Officials (AAFCO), animal by-products in pet food may include parts obtained from any animals who have died from sickness or disease provided they are rendered in accordance to law. As well, cow brains and spinal cords, not allowed for human consumption due to the possibility of transmission of BSE, are allowed to be included in pet food intended for non-ruminant animals. As prions are not exactly living microorganisms, even cooking cannot prevent the transmission of Bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE).

2. Nutrition in pet food is often substituted for a cheaper alternative. You may have noticed that pet foods are measured for "crude protein" or "crude fibre". Both have nothing to do with protein content and fibre content we have become so accustomed to in human foods. Crude protein is calculated by taking Total nitrogen multiplied by the nitrogen conversion factor = 6.25. Crude protein can therefore be artifically raised by adding non-protein nitrogen. Non-protein nitrogen (or NPN) refers collectively to components such as urea, biuret, and ammonia, which are not proteins but can be converted into proteins by microbia in the ruminant stomach. Due to their lower cost compared to plant and animal proteins their inclusion in a diet can result in economic gain, but at too high levels cause a depression in growth and possible ammonia toxicity (microbes convert NPN to ammonia first before using that to make protein.) Crude fibre is the term given to the indigestible part of foods, defined as the residue left after successive extraction under closely specified conditions, and has nothing to do with dietary fibre. Therefore long-term consumption of dog food may not be enough to meet a human's dietary needs and could possibly cause problems due to inability to use NPN to efficiently create proteins.

errr I'll pass on the madcow disease thanks!

[rose]

Awww Vee, see there you go resorting to durty scare tactics :roll: :snooty:

[runveerun]

Awww Vee, see there you go resorting to durty scare tactics :roll: :snooty:

Yeh who am I to try and stop people from getting sick :roll:

[Thunderhorse]

Pretty sure we've never had a case of Mad Cow disease in NZ. Also, are those binding agents just gel? "Binding agents" sounds so ominous.

[rose]

Awww Vee, see there you go resorting to durty scare tactics :roll: :snooty:

Yeh who am I to try and stop people from getting sick :roll:

L.O.L. The innuhnet gets funnier and funnier every day.

[runveerun]

Pretty sure we've never had a case of Mad Cow disease in NZ. Also, are those binding agents just gel? "Binding agents" sounds so ominous.

Yep no cases of CJD in NZ , binding agents as stated from husband "Cheap shit that sticks it together"

That's proper butcher speak that is

[musclenz]

Wouldn't you be more suited to HORSE meat, ThunderHORSE?? :pfft:

[rose]

Are you proposing he resort to cannibalism? :shock:

[Gasp]

Pretty sure we've never had a case of Mad Cow disease in NZ. Also, are those binding agents just gel? "Binding agents" sounds so ominous.

Yep no cases of CJD in NZ , binding agents as stated from husband "Cheap shit that sticks it together"

That's proper butcher speak that is

Why was the name "P.M.S." chosen ?

Because "Mad Cow Disease" was already taken \:D/ \:D/ \:D/ :pfft: :pfft:

[courts87]

whats wrong with plain old people food?

[runveerun]

whats wrong with plain old people food?

I don't think we are allowed to eat old people. :shock:

[courts87]

whats wrong with plain old people food?

I don't think we are allowed to eat old people. :shock:

haha let me rephrase that

plain, old, people-food