Recovery!! How does it work?

[groovy]

Hi all. I was just thinking about it, how does it really work?

All i think i know is that generally the older you get the longer it take for the body to recover from training. Right?

Does having lower body fat affect recovery (say <10% or so), also vice versa?

Obviously if ur on the juice it provides better recovery. Right?

I just wanted to get an idea about it in Body building perspective. I hope u know what im trying to ask.

Cheers.

[goinhard]

Big question, I cant be arsed typing in detail so I recommend you search muscle hypertrophy or muscular adaptation in google. You have caused microtrauma in muscle tissue through applied force and products of time under tension, your body heals these tears as well as potentially building new structures and replenishing energy stores and becoming more neurologically efficient at contracting the muscle tissue. Your central nervous system is also taxed from the effort. In terms of muscle damage think of a cut on your skin as a young person and as an old person.

Testosterone as well as myostatin levels, nutrition, rest, cortisol, intracellular conditions and other genetic information will affect recovery time and adaptation.

Body fat should only affect recovery in terms of reasonable additional fat mildly increasing estrogen and lowering testosterone.

[ThePman]

Hi all. I was just thinking about it, how does it really work?

That's a hell of a question.

In the most general sense, it goes Stress => Response => Restoration

Your body is exposed to a stress, it responds to that stress with physiological processes that attempt to "fix" it, and sooner or later the body's restored itself.

That's the abstract version anyway. If you want specifics, that's going to be a lot of writing.

All i think i know is that generally the older you get the longer it take for the body to recover from training. Right?

All other things being equal, yes.

Does having lower body fat affect recovery (say <10% or so), also vice versa?

It can. There's a circulating hormone called leptin that regulates most every other system in your body based on your energy intake and current body fat levels.

Eat too little or carry BF% that's too low for too long and you tend to see all kinds of bad things go on. The tissue repair process will be affected by this just as well as anything else.

Obviously if ur on the juice it provides better recovery. Right?

To a point, by increasing the rates of protein synthesis in your muscles and other tissues.

[groovy]

Thanks Pman and goinhard. I just wanted a short and brief answer to get a general idea on the process.

Dont want to go in depth anyway which would just complicate it for me. :pfft: :pfft: :pfft:

Could you please provide some links to read upon, might read upon them when i got some time. Cheers.

[agent86]

Why don't you try the obvious and Google "Bodybuilding Recovery". It comes up with heaps of articles.

[tonyb]

Why don't you try the obvious and Google "Bodybuilding Recovery". It comes up with heaps of articles.

You can't trust everything you read on gooble.

[agent86]

You can't trust everything you read on gooble

You can't trust everything you read on this forum either. He was just asking for some links to articles which he can get by himself by googling. There are many different opinions in these articles as there are on this site.

[ThePman]

It really shouldn't be a matter of opinion, honestly.

[agent86]

It really shouldn't be a matter of opinion, honestly.

Thats true but if everything such as diet, nutrition, training, recovery were set in stone we would not have this forum and there would be a set of commandments somewhere that we would follow.

Everyone has their theory and it is rare that we all agree. Even recovery is a very complex thing involving the individual's recovery,diet,training etc. And these things are also variable from one person to the next. Recovery require walking a tightrope between training too hard and too little.

If we knew the exact formula that would be great but sometimes we don't realise the symptoms of overtraining as the effects are suptle.

Sometimes it comes down to reading articles and getting as much information as possible and trying to relate it to yourself.

It is true that most people out there think their method is the correct one because it seems to be working for them.

One thing is true we need to recover for muscle growth to occur and insufficient rest will hinder this. For an Ectomorph this might mean giving up aerobic activities as I had to before growth would occur.

I think you should keep a track of your strength and weight from workout to workout and if strength is not increasing you might be over training.

There are many signs of overtraining , frequent colds, apathy, trouble sleeping, poor workouts, loss of appetite. Hey thats what I'm going through!

[trainharder]

It really shouldn't be a matter of opinion, honestly.

okay il ignore your opinions in future no matter even if they are based on facts or what you believe.

if nobody had opinions whats the point of this site?

[ThePman]

Because a scientific topic shouldn't boil down to 'what any idiot with a website thinks'?

There's educated opinions and then there's crap that any jerk can write on the Internet. Unless you've actually got some background in the matter, it can be hard to impossible to distinguish good from bad.

I can have an opinion that gravity won't make you fall if you walk off a bridge; that doesn't mean it's worth listening to.

[Draft]

Here is a Mark Rippetoe quote which I reckon has some (but not a lot) of relevance to the whole question of whether a shit opinion is valid.

When asked to "explain how deep squats won't screw up your femur/hips," so the person posting could explain it to his friend who believes that deep squats are harmful:

"Just because some jackass asserts a thing does not mean that it is worthy of refutation. If the same guy tells you that every space shuttle launch perturbs the Earth's orbit, and that the cumulative effects are just about to start the process of the loss of the atmosphere into space, thus creating a vacuum that will destroy all life on the planet in approximately 36 hours, would you deem this necessary to refute? How much time would you spend explaining to him why this cannot happen? Would not your time be spent better doing other things? And if you devise a concise explanation, why would you assume he would understand?"

[trainharder]

ummm i think what agent 86 was refering to was why be lazy and if you google subjects you can get various opinions and facts that way.

only a idiot would take as gospel the first thing he reads on the net.

if i want to find out something i would google it.

for example water depletion before a contest id go through maybe 50 articles and see all opinions and then maybe try what i think was worthwhile

next comp if i felt it didnt work try something slightly different.

if your saying only idiots have websites then whats different here.

i think theres so many mis informed people on this site so why should the guy asking a question believe your opinions. or do you think your right about everything.

so your saying you have some background so your opinions are fact.

everyones body is different so what might work for some may not for others.

maybe you should start a site and then we could all listen to your opinions and take it as truth anything you say.

[ThePman]

Are you reading anything or just arguing to argue?

[Hybrid]

If your saying only idiots have websites then whats different here.

i think theres so many mis informed people on this site so why should the guy asking a question believe your opinions. or do you think your right about everything.

so your saying you have some background so your opinions are fact.

everyones body is different so what might work for some may not for others.

maybe you should start a site and then we could all listen to your opinions and take it as truth anything you say.

:nod: :nod: :nod: I agree TH

My approach after 15 years of of training is to experiment with different rountines once every one or two months for a week. If it works then I incorporate it into my "normal" routine with normal used very loosely. Recovery is difficult to gauge due to many outside influences. So if you think you can answer this with a Scientific solution, you're sadly mistaken.

[Draft]

If your saying only idiots have websites then whats different here.

i think theres so many mis informed people on this site so why should the guy asking a question believe your opinions. or do you think your right about everything.

so your saying you have some background so your opinions are fact.

everyones body is different so what might work for some may not for others.

maybe you should start a site and then we could all listen to your opinions and take it as truth anything you say.

:nod: :nod: :nod: I agree TH

My approach after 15 years of of training is to experiment with different rountines once every one or two months for a week. If it works then I incorporate it into my "normal" routine with normal used very loosely. Recovery is difficult to gauge due to many outside influences. So if you think you can answer this with a Scientific solution, you're sadly mistaken.

Hate to be a dick about this but wouldn't that make it a matter of experience rather than a matter of opinion?

[rose]

This is getting more entertaining than the SA thread Oros started. Fascinating stuff! 8)

[trainharder]

Are you reading anything or just arguing to argue?

nope just stating my opinion but as you say peoples opinions dont matter.

i should just listen to everything you say and if my opinion differs then i must be wrong. and everyone else on the web is wrong if its contrary to yours asswipe

oh and i know your comment on walking off a brige was tongue in cheek but im keen for you to prove it by walking of one and see what happens.

[Hybrid]

Hate to be a dick about this but wouldn't that make it a matter of experience rather than a matter of opinion?

[Draft]

Apparently :roll:

[agent86]

It amazes me how people on this site consider that their opinions are gospel and get very touchy when challenged.

These forums are only personal opinions based sometimes on fact and sometimes on belief. This forum is no more credible than doing a google as each topic listed here can get dozens of different replies.

I will look at many articles on the Net which can be opinions based on experience or studies. A lot contradict each other.

Should I just read a reply on this forum and believe it? Of course not.

The question of recovery is a very complicated subject and cannot be answered with a simple reply like " You cant overtrain just dont get enough sleep or food".

I see someone here does 30 sets per bodypart, I do 6-8. Find me the conclusive factual article on recovery that covers everyone please and don't get so preious about your beliefs.

[ThePman]

Half the people responding to this thread don't even seem aware of what's being discussed or the context of it, but for some reason that's an excuse to start hurling insults?

Apparently scientific facts are opinions and there's no such things as provable facts, and RAH RAH UR A c*nt?

Entertaining

[agent86]

ThePman wrote

There's educated opinions and then there's crap that any jerk can write on the Internet. Unless you've actually got some background in the matter, it can be hard to impossible to distinguish good from bad.

Mate you are writing this thread on the Internet. Does that make you a jerk?

There are many articles on the Internet written by educated people including top coaches. sorry but I would rather take some of these articles more seriously than you.

The thread is about recovery and was hijacked by you.

[trainharder]

so im a c*nt pman?

is that your opinion or a scientific fact?

because you say opinions dont matter.im assuming its factual

did you come to this conclusion because i believe everyone is entitled to opinions even if it differs to yours.

some things cant be proven beyond a doubt which is why we have opinions.

if you need a hand finding a bridge theres a few i can recommend.

[ThePman]

ThePman wrote

There's educated opinions and then there's crap that any jerk can write on the Internet. Unless you've actually got some background in the matter, it can be hard to impossible to distinguish good from bad.

Mate you are writing this thread on the Internet. Does that make you a jerk?

There are many articles on the Internet written by educated people including top coaches. sorry but I would rather take some of these articles more seriously than you.

The thread is about recovery and was hijacked by you.

lmao, this is gold.

Reading comprehension is your friend.

so im a c*nt pman?

is that your opinion or a scientific fact?

because you say opinions dont matter.im assuming its factual

did you come to this conclusion because i believe everyone is entitled to opinions even if it differs to yours.

some things cant be proven beyond a doubt which is why we have opinions.

if you need a hand finding a bridge theres a few i can recommend.

More gold!

The internet said things that don't agree with me, time to RAAAAAAAAAGE OUT!

Keep up the good work, boys. This is classic. :nod: