IFBB Pro show coming to NZ 2010

[jimjim83]

Sure the girls did well but at the end of the day they came second. If you want a Pro-card but cant get 1st then you simply should not get it, because you are not good enough and dont deserve it. Rewarding people for being the first loser, come on?

So what if 1st place doesnt want a pro-card but 2nd does, do what everyone else does and train hard and come back better the next year and earn it.

By this logic if i place 10th but the other 9 dont want a pro card then i get it if i apply.

Ill pick up your toys MasterTel as i walk past you cot on the way to my arm chair.

[Optimass]

Hmmmm ... pros and cons - I think mastertel is right in that no one is going to ever agree on which is the right path. This sort of political favoritism is not new to NZ or other federations or countries. Body Building is a controversial sport for so many reasons.

I personally think you should win the overall twice (pseu and I were discussing it a few weeks ago). But I empathise with what Marstel says and understand that in NZ, bodybuilding hasn't had the profile it has got recently if it wasn't for Moes publicity at the Olympia. Love him or hate him he has opened doors. The federation is a business now - we need to produce athletes to build more profile - this is a good thing. More pros will mean bigger shows (public attendance) with larger local athletes. This will sell tickets and membership , which can be used to develop more talent. To be fair someone should have been working to make the fed profitable long before Moe came along. (Thats if it is currently profitable).

The interesting thing is that the two girls that got second place didn't get first, as they may have done 10 years ago if this was the platform at the time. When I saw Sesa at the Aucklands I couldn't believe my eyes > amazing physique and certainly of a standard higher than most athletes I had seen through out the year.

On a personal level, I chose not to compete in the sport years ago because of the politics. But I admire those that have carried on with their goals/dreams etc. And will look forward to attending shows with great looking athletes like Sesa, the mikes, Jo.S etc. This is a personal choice I don't begrudge anyone for. My life is great without getting caught up in politics. And I am not the classic bodybuilding frame in anycase.

Not sure what point I'm trying to make ..... but its a bummer Mr T is absent.

on another note ... "Miss Glamour" class ... I will have seen it all if they come out with a "Miss change the tyre on the ute" class, or "Miss don't touch the remote and go get another beer would ya" class

[Outlaw53]

Lastly, it is perfectly obvious that Moe has set it up for both girls to get their Pro cards so as they can compete in his Pro show next year.Both girls could've placed last and they still would've received their Pro cards.

The whole thing was fixed to ensure that Moe got his way.

To say anything else is an insult to our intelligence.

Well, now you are insulting ME, Outlaw53! I know you have a huge dislike for Moe, and that clearly is clouding your judgement here.

You can all rant on until you are blue in the face about Raechelle's merits in getting her Pro card, but she did wonderfully well in her first event - completely justifying the decisions made by Raechelle (to apply for) and the IFBB Pro League President (to award her card).

I've spent more than enough of my time and effort to defend the NZFBB to various imbeciles on this site over the past 5 years and I've had enough. From now on if you want any "official" NZFBB information from me it will be posted where it matters - on http://www.nzfbb.org.nz (which I administer).

I won't even bother checking this forum in future - it will make it so much easier to prevent me being tempted to wade back in ... GOODBYE!!

How have I insulted you?

My judgement is not clouded, I can see everything as clear as a bell.

Moe is mates with Sesa & Raechelle and nothing was going to stop him from giving both of them their Pro cards for his NZ show in March.

He is hardly going to run a Pro show without NZ competitors is he?

None of us have bagged Raechelle or Sesa, we are simply stating that the way they got their cards was bullshit.

How can you justify giving anyone a Pro card when they came second?

The only imbeciles on this forum are the ones that believe that Moe didn't rubber-stamp the deal.

[musclenz]

Sorry to see you go Terry. I will leave you with this quote from Thomas Jefferson -

"I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in

philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend."

[nzmusclemonster]

Something I would like clarified regarding the pro cards......

Is it too late for the girls that placed higher than Sesa and Rachelle to apply for pro cards?

Surely they would be guaranteed pro cards if the people that place behind them got given one.

If anyone knows those girls you should encourage them to apply.

[Outlaw53]

Something I would like clarified regarding the pro cards......

Is it too late for the girls that placed higher than Sesa and Rachelle to apply for pro cards?

Surely they would be guaranteed pro cards if the people that place behind them got given one.

If anyone knows those girls you should encourage them to apply.

You have obviously missed the NZFBB's point here nzmusclemonster.

Even though they won their amateur classes by beating Sesa & Raechelle, it doesn't mean to say that they are an automatic walk-up for a Pro card.

You see, in their wisdom, the NZFBB (Moe) has decided that the amateurs and Pro's are not judged by the same criteria, therefore some who wins an amateur comp is not necessarily good enough for a Pro card.

A competitor who places 4th could be better qualified to get a Pro card, even they they are not good enough to win an amateur class.

I hope that clears things up for you mate.

In other words, Moe is free to hand out Pro cards to his mates as he sees fit.

[trainharder]

Its a shame to see mastertel leave this forum as he has always kept everyone informed of what is happening and events coming up within the nzfbb.

in his defence he is one of the few nzfbb execs to actually come on here as he has been for years and voice his opinions

and i dont think he has any say in what goes on besides voicing his concern at meetings as a few of them do but the decisions are made higher up with no thoughts of the consequences.

from what ive seen at local comps and the last nats mastertel worked tirelessly behind the scenes while moe did shit all besides making the comp run behind time in starting and having it badly organised.

I think if someone like mastertel was in charge then decisions wouldnt be so controversial and decision making would be out in the open.

[nate225]

I hate to say it, but the (poor) decisions that are being made are being made by the President & the Exec that the NZFBB members voted in.

In retrospect maybe there should've been a little more thought about who could best represent the wishes of the majority and progress the sport in a credible manner, before the votes were made.

Anyway it's a done deal now, and the saying reap what you sow comes to mind. Of interest how often are re-elections?

[Outlaw53]

Its a shame to see mastertel leave this forum as he has always kept everyone informed of what is happening and events coming up within the nzfbb.

in his defence he is one of the few nzfbb execs to actually come on here as he has been for years and voice his opinions

and i dont think he has any say in what goes on besides voicing his concern at meetings as a few of them do but the decisions are made higher up with no thoughts of the consequences.

from what ive seen at local comps and the last nats mastertel worked tirelessly behind the scenes while moe did shit all besides making the comp run behind time in starting and having it badly organised.

I think if someone like mastertel was in charge then decisions wouldnt be so controversial and decision making would be out in the open.

I totally agree mate, I have made it perfectly clear that I respect the fact that MasterTel gets on this forum and keeps everyone up to date with NZFBB decision making.

It sounds to me like MasterTel does all the shit jobs, does all the hard work and cops all the crap while others bask in the glory.

[weener lad]

In retrospect maybe there should've been a little more thought about who could best represent the wishes of the majority and progress the sport in a credible manner, before the votes were made.

Think you will find that allot of members didn't get a chance to vote! But no the less you are exactly wright. Food for thought for future elections.

[greyghost]

Think you will find that allot of members didn't get a chance to vote! But no the less you are exactly wright. Food for thought for future elections.

I think this may come about by only those who registered for competition during the year being vaild members. Therefore getting voting papers.

If you don't compete in a given year you are no longer a member. Seems a bit crazy. Why not have an annual subscription therefore everyone who is a member gets a vote whether they're competing or having a year or 2 off to bulk up.

[luv.me.oats]

2010 IFBB Arnold Classic (Ohio, USA) - March 4-6

The NZFBB is taking a team of male and female competitors to compete in the Amateur sections of this prestigious event. We now have a full contingent of female competitors.

taken from NZFBB website

changing the subject slightly, but who'se the team of females representing NZ?

[aln]

Moe voted in?? Thought he was unapossed?? And also interested to see the full team going to the Arnold Amateur.

[weener lad]

I think this may come about by only those who registered for competition during the year being vaild members. Therefore getting voting papers.

No, current members were not notified. Trust me.

[nate225]

I think this may come about by only those who registered for competition during the year being vaild members. Therefore getting voting papers.

No, current members were not notified. Trust me.

Lmao - allegations of votes being bought & members not being able to vote - this just keeps getting better. Is the NZFBB constitution for elections written in Zimbabawe by any chance! :pfft:

[agent86]

I received my voting papers ok but I don't know about others. It's funny how about 6 months ago this forum was full off people saying that Moe should be President and everything would be fine. Now everyone turns on him.

There are some good things happening.Competitor numbers are up,the financial position is better and they are sending athletes overseas again.

As for people wanting to be members even though they are not competing well that is your choice to pay but I am sure most people wouldn't want to pay just for voting privileges.

Nabba dont even have elections and dont even have a committee.

Just want to put a positive spin on a thread spinning into negativeness.

[Optimass]

Think you will find that allot of members didn't get a chance to vote! But no the less you are exactly wright. Food for thought for future elections.

I think this may come about by only those who registered for competition during the year being vaild members. Therefore getting voting papers.

If you don't compete in a given year you are no longer a member. Seems a bit crazy. Why not have an annual subscription therefore everyone who is a member gets a vote whether they're competing or having a year or 2 off to bulk up.

You don't have to be a competitor to be a member. Anyone can pay the fees.

[greyghost]

Think you will find that allot of members didn't get a chance to vote! But no the less you are exactly wright. Food for thought for future elections.

I think this may come about by only those who registered for competition during the year being vaild members. Therefore getting voting papers.

If you don't compete in a given year you are no longer a member. Seems a bit crazy. Why not have an annual subscription therefore everyone who is a member gets a vote whether they're competing or having a year or 2 off to bulk up.

You don't have to be a competitor to be a member. Anyone can pay the fees.

So if I don't compete next year, NZFBB are going to send me an annual membership subscription form in the post?

[agent86]

greyghost wrote:

So if I don't compete next year, NZFBB are going to send me an annual membership subscription form in the post?

I think you are getting a little petty now. If you really want to vote you can turn up at any NZFBB event and pay your membership or just email them and request a membership form. I dont think many people would pay $45 just for the pleasure of voting.

It's irrelevant anyway as Moe was the only person wanting to be President so was elected unopposed.

[greyghost]

greyghost wrote:

So if I don't compete next year, NZFBB are going to send me an annual membership subscription form in the post?

I think you are getting a little petty now. If you really want to vote you can turn up at any NZFBB event and pay your membership or just email them and request a membership form. I dont think many people would pay $45 just for the pleasure of voting.

It's irrelevant anyway as Moe was the only person wanting to be President so was elected unopposed.

I'm not being petty, was just looking for clarification. Seems a lot of people don't really give a hoot anyway. Moe elected himself and Jim is in charge of NABBA. Lets just see what comes out of the "new" NABBA talks.

[agent86]

Greyghost wrote

I'm not being petty, was just looking for clarification. Seems a lot of people don't really give a hoot anyway. Moe elected himself and Jim is in charge of NABBA. Lets just see what comes out of the "new" NABBA talks.

I'm not saying all is right with NZFBB. The problem is that it looks like all decisions are made by one person which irritates some people. You are right about the Nabba issue which is on 3 threads at the moment. When you look at that issue NZFBB looks good.

[michaelk]

2010 IFBB Arnold Classic (Ohio, USA) - March 4-6

The NZFBB is taking a team of male and female competitors to compete in the Amateur sections of this prestigious event. We now have a full contingent of female competitors.

taken from NZFBB website

changing the subject slightly, but who'se the team of females representing NZ?

FROM NZFBB.ORG.NZ

Congratulations to the following competitors who have had their applications approved by the NZFBB Executive and are now awaiting final confirmation of their participation from the IFBB:

Michelle Laurin, Karen Montague and Kristy Thomson.

[Outlaw53]

Looking forward to the wrap-up on this show.

I don't suppose (a. anybody went, or (b. that one of the 20 people that did go could give us a run down on how the show went?

It must have terribly exciting to see those 5 or 6 girls doing the 4 Quarter turns.

That'd be $50 well spent I'd imagine?

[NABBA]

http://www.siouxcountry.com/showthread. ... post300123

Rosa Maria has posted the results and her thoughts on the show

There is also a blurb on gofigure

[Optimass]

Haven't heard a lot of complimentary things being said around the gym(s) with regard to this show, other than the athletes were awesome:

Rule changes to posing routines? Figure and physique classes no longer required to perform a routine ... (not sure if female only). Also no standard poses .... just quarter turns!

This is going to certainly reduce the concept of the show at the NZFBB events. I'm not sure many athletes would encourage their friends a family to $50 to see them do 4 quarter turns?

Athletes were also told not to flare lats or over flex as they would lose points?!

I'm hoping this is just rumour ....

New rules on tanning product?

I cant fnd mention on the NZFBB website .... :-s