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nicksmith3 Senior member

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Yes flaxseed does contain more ALA than fish oil but since the body cannot absorb this ALA or any of the other fats contained in flaxseed it dosent make any difference does it.

Harro Mr Next Big Thing and advocate of 'adaptogenic herbs'. Support this with some proven evidence hey, or is this another isolate-d opinion? Cos, frankly, any study can be skewed to support any argument and I question the 'speciality' of stated enzyme, until proven with solid facts rather than hearsay.

Although Flaxseed contains all the good fats GLA, EPA and DHA you need a special digestive enzyme called delta-6 desaturase or (D6D) in order for the body to be able to extract the fats from the flaxseed.

This has only been discoverd recently and this is why in the past Flaxseed has been allways mentioned as one of the best things to take to increase your good fats profile. The problem being only a small percentage of the population has the D6D enzyme. And in those that do have it, it is very unstable and can be destoyed by alcohol consumption, saturated fats,stress,smoking as well as many other things.

But if you read sites like T Nation or even just do a google search on the digestability of flaxseed you will now see the nutrition experts of the world are advocating a move away from flaxseed and are now only recommending fish oils.

Great to have some very knowledgable people cruising these boards now..

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Great to have some very knowledgable people cruising these boards now..

It's great to have people posting random shit (and pushing supplements!), without supporting evidence hey? Oh and people shamelessly promoting their business for, what, free???, on someone elses website...

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Great to have some very knowledgable people cruising these boards now..

It's great to have people posting random shit (and pushing supplements!), without supporting evidence hey? Oh and people shamelessly promoting their business for, what, free???, on someone elses website...

LOL - you two get a room! :grin:

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Great to have some very knowledgable people cruising these boards now.. not including myself

It's great to have people posting random shit (and pushing supplements!), without supporting evidence hey? Oh and people shamelessly promoting their business for, what, free???, on someone elses website...

spot on as always rose :nod:

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Yes flaxseed does contain more ALA than fish oil but since the body cannot absorb this ALA or any of the other fats contained in flaxseed it dosent make any difference does it.

Harro Mr Next Big Thing and advocate of 'adaptogenic herbs'. Support this with some proven evidence hey, or is this another isolate-d opinion? Cos, frankly, any study can be skewed to support any argument and I question the 'speciality' of stated enzyme, until proven with solid facts rather than hearsay.

Although Flaxseed contains all the good fats GLA, EPA and DHA you need a special digestive enzyme called delta-6 desaturase or (D6D) in order for the body to be able to extract the fats from the flaxseed.

This has only been discoverd recently and this is why in the past Flaxseed has been allways mentioned as one of the best things to take to increase your good fats profile. The problem being only a small percentage of the population has the D6D enzyme. And in those that do have it, it is very unstable and can be destoyed by alcohol consumption, saturated fats,stress,smoking as well as many other things.

But if you read sites like T Nation or even just do a google search on the digestability of flaxseed you will now see the nutrition experts of the world are advocating a move away from flaxseed and are now only recommending fish oils.

Here are a few studies for you to take a look at as to the exsistance and roll of the delta-6 desaturase enzyme . The first link will show plublications from the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, the Journal of Phamacology and Experimental Theraputics and the Journal of the American College of Nutrition.

In the second link you will see its description as listed in a dictionary, I have included this for you as it has a nice little diagram which will help you to understand the process of how and why the delta-6 desaturaze ezyme is crucial in certain fat asorbtion na dmobilization.

In the third link you will see studies that have been done on the causes and effects of being deficient in this enzyme.

And in the last link you will be able to see how this enzyme has now been cloned in the lab.

I hope this goes some way to helping you, just because you havent heard of something dosent mean someone else has made it up.

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/57/5/732S

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictio ... ase+enzyme

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11290821

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1222544/

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It's great to have people posting random shit (and pushing supplements!), without supporting evidence hey? Oh and people shamelessly promoting their business for, what, free???, on someone elses website...

Nicksmith3 is here to help you Rose. Don't you understand that he's doing it all for you. For FREE too. You'd be under absolutely no obligation to use any of the awesome USANA products that he has used to get himself in such great shape (what happened to Scivation Nick? And what happened to nicksmith1 and nicksmith2?).

We could get into an abstract war if we wanted - you can always find a study to support any side of an argument as long as you avoid reading and posting any of the ones that don't support your side.

Eur J Clin Nutr. 2009 Sep;63(9):1123-9. Epub 2009 Jul 8.

Bioavailability of alpha-linolenic acid from flaxseed diets as a function of the age of the subject.

Patenaude A, Rodriguez-Leyva D, Edel AL, Dibrov E, Dupasquier CM, Austria JA, Richard MN, Chahine MN, Malcolmson LJ, Pierce GN.

[1] Cell Biology Laboratory, Canadian Centre for Agri-food Research in Health and Medicine (CCARM), St Boniface Hospital Research Centre [2] Department of Physiology, Faculties of Medicine and Pharmacy, University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, MB, Canada.

BACKGROUND: Dietary flaxseed may have beneficial cardiovascular effects. An aged population has a higher incidence of cardiovascular disease, but they may react differently to flaxseed in the diet. OBJECTIVE: To investigate the response, over a period of 4 weeks, of subjects aged 18-29 or 45-69 years to a diet containing the same amount of alpha-linolenic acid (ALA) (6 g) introduced in the form of ground flaxseed (30 g) or flaxseed oil. RESULTS: All subjects who received flaxseed oil showed a significant increase in plasma ALA and eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) concentrations over the course of this study. Subjects who received ground flaxseed in the 18-29-year-old group showed a statistically significant increase in their plasma ALA levels, and although there was a trend in the same direction for the 45-69-year-old subjects, this did not achieve statistical significance. The diets induced no major changes in platelet aggregation, plasma total cholesterol, low-density lipoprotein or high-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels in any of the groups. Younger subjects showed a decrease in triglyceride (TG) values compared with older subjects. There were no significant side effects that caused compliancy issues. CONCLUSION: Subject age does not seem to be a major determining factor in influencing ALA absorption from a flaxseed-supplemented diet nor in the metabolism of ALA to EPA in the groups fed flaxseed oil. Concerns about side effects in older subjects administered a higher fiber load in a flaxseed-supplemented diet are not justified. However, younger but not older subjects showed a beneficial decrease in circulating TGs due to flaxseed supplementation.

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We could get into an abstract war if we wanted - you can always find a study to support any side of an argument as long as you avoid reading and posting any of the ones that don't support your side.

:grin:

...Cos, frankly, any study can be skewed to support any argument
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