Looking at running first cycle - sus 250

[woodenfloor]

Hey guys, looking at running my first cycle. I'm 22 and 100kgs, training on and off for 5 or 6 years, solidly for the past year. Looking at gaining size and also lean.

Am planning on 375mgs per week, 1.5ml a week for 10 weeks, so splitting that into two injections on monday and thursday, would this be a sufficient amount?

Also been told I should frontload on my first injection so 500mgs for the first one. also f i don't lean up as much as i'd like would it be a good idea to take clen for the last 4 weeks of the cycle? will be taking clomid for pct,

any feedback appreciated.

[KRS1]

If you're looking to lean up you may want to include an AI like aromasin in your cycle to keep estrogen at low-normal levels. Otherwise water retention may hide any fat loss that is occuring.

Someone else may have an opinion on the clen. Myself, I'd keep tight control of my diet throughout and adjust as needed to achieve fat loss.

What made you decide to run 375mg instead of the more common 500mg for your first cycle?

[samoan_muscle]

500mgs isnt much of a front load...I'd bump that up somewhat.

Like ^^^ said...keep some sort of anti-e on hand as you dont know how you'll react.

If you do end up running only 500mgs for your front load - do half a ml EOD for the first 2 weeks. This should stabilize your blood levels to some degree.

[woodenfloor]

Thanks.I'm going with 375mgs pw because it's in between 250-500 and I didn't want to go too high for my first cycle.just see how it goes. I've also read you should start pct 3 + weeks after last injection.anyone recommend an ideal dosage and products for the pct

[Marcus]

You shouldn't have a problem running 500mg first time.

Good PCT for a cycle such as this is Nolva 40/20/20/20.

How lean are you right now? Better plan would be to lean up naturally and then do this cycle. If you are conscious about staying lean during the cycle you probably won't get the type of sustainable gains you're looking for.

[startinfromscratch]

out of interest, how come you chose sust over testE mate? with e you can start pct sooner, plus you wont get the small bloodlevel spike youl get from the small amount of prop in the sust??

not knocking you at all, just curious?

[frogie2001]

nice and simple. don't forget the pct.

[woodenfloor]

would running nolva alone be sufficient?a few places I've read running chlomid with nolva is good pct? Will I need any hcg?could somebody tell me what the difference is? And the reason I chose sus over e was it was all I could get my hands on

[frogie2001]

someone can correct me if needed,

but HCG basically allows the testes to maintain some level of function during a cycle, allowing them to "bounce back" after cycle faster. this also helps maintain long term system health. Clomid hinders the estrogen production that results from elevated artificial test levels in the system, stopping bitch tits. HCG is contentious however I feel that it should be run throughout the cycle with the first HCG one week after you start and than when you come off the cycle, have the last HCG one week after your last sus shot. likewise with clomid start this the first or second week you start the shots and than run it for about a 3-4 weeks after your last shot of sus.

[KRS1]

HCG mimicks leutinizing hormone, it basically tells your testicles to produce testosterone. If used throughout cycle it will keep your testicles functioning and prevent them from shrinking and make recovery after you cycle faster.

However, at the dose you're planning to run I don't think you'll need it. My first cycle I ran test e at 500mg per week for 10 weeks with 20mg superdrol per day for the first 4 weeks and my balls remained full and swinging throughout.

HCG does not keep the hypothalamus and pituitary gland part of your HPTA functioning.

Nolva and clomid are very similar and pretty much do the same thing. Nolva is stronger mg for mg.

Some people may give anecdotal evidence that clomid is better for stimulating the HPTA but I don't think this has ever been proven.

Using just nolva at 40mg per day for 2weeks then at 20mg per day for two more weeks should do the job for your PCT.

[Branko]

At only 22yrs old and already with a B/W of 100kgs [depending on your b/f and musculature levels] I would suggest you wait at least a couple more years before you start a cycle. You are in your prime at that age and should be squeezing out what you can naturally before adding chemicals.

My 2c

[musclenz]

HCG mimicks leutinizing hormone, it basically tells your testicles to produce testosterone. If used throughout cycle it will keep your testicles functioning and prevent them from shrinking and make recovery after you cycle faster.

However, at the dose you're planning to run I don't think you'll need it. My first cycle I ran test e at 500mg per week for 10 weeks with 20mg superdrol per day for the first 4 weeks and my balls remained full and swinging throughout.

HCG does not keep the hypothalamus and pituitary gland part of your HPTA functioning.

Nolva and clomid are very similar and pretty much do the same thing. Nolva is stronger mg for mg.

Some people may give anecdotal evidence that clomid is better for stimulating the HPTA but I don't think this has ever been proven.

Using just nolva at 40mg per day for 2weeks then at 20mg per day for two more weeks should do the job for your PCT.

Before Hcg most guys would use both Nolva & Clomid. Nolva is much stronger at the AR than clomid. Roughly 20mg = 150mg clomid, but Nolva does not stimulate FSH & LH as does clomid although at a much weaker way than does Hcg which actualy mimics LH in its chemical actions. It seems the swing towards using Hcg is because of the overall toxidity of using SERMS & that they can also reduce IGF & GH in the body which does nothing for your PCT recovery.

[jackbency]

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[frogie2001]

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[narcosis73]

just wanting to know when you starting, as will be keen to read cycle log/results fur my own research into my first cycle. :pfft:

cheers

[narcosis73]

when you starting this cycle dude, have not seen any cycle logs started by you, if you have already started but have decided not to run a log hope all is going good 8) .

[woodenfloor]

Thanks for all the advice but I think i'm going to wait a bit longer, maybe a year or two before I start... I'm still making good gains naturally so decided to hold it off awhile....get a bit more info...make sure its the right decision etc :nod:

[woodenfloor]

However I do have a question.....

My training partner is adament on trying it out, i'll be training with him 4 days per week.....hes the same age, 10kgs lighter with less muscle or training experience so im trying to set up our training to cater for him

Something like this

Monday - Back, Abs

Tuesday - Chest, Triceps, Biceps

Wednesday - Off

Thursday - Legs, abs

Friday - Shoulders, Triceps, Biceps

About 1 hour sessions, will this be enough training for him to be making sufficient gains or will he need more?

[matt.be]

Thanks for all the advice but I think i'm going to wait a bit longer, maybe a year or two before I start... I'm still making good gains naturally so decided to hold it off awhile....get a bit more info...make sure its the right decision etc :nod:

Good choice - nice to see someone with a decent head on their sholders.