Clenbuterol

[Chemo]

Morning morning \:D/

Clenbuterol

Any opinions on it?

Anyone used it, or know someoone who has?

and a little question on the side here. how would something like clen differ to a legal supp like norateen heavyweight

it sounds like the perfect solo supplement to push ones training through tough plateaus and speed up that process

[Chemo]

oh and since im new ill add on to this.

I watched illegal nz steroid episode and i noticed they didnt look at capsules at all. Is there a reason for this?

I wouldv'e liked to see the effects they had in comparison to the jabing method. That episode really put me off aas ay >< such a seedy enviroment.

[holdenman]

Morning morning \:D/

Clenbuterol

Any opinions on it?

Anyone used it, or know someoone who has?

and a little question on the side here. how would something like clen differ to a legal supp like norateen heavyweight

it sounds like the perfect solo supplement to push ones training through tough plateaus and speed up that process

What do you want to acheive with it? Its a pretty good fat loss supp if your diet and cardio is in check and you can stand the sides. Headaches, cramps, nausea, jitters.. Great fun lol. Although albuterol is better IMO.

As for the other question, norateen heavyweight is a weight gainer, clen is a fat burner mainly although it is anabolic in animals.

[holdenman]

oh and since im new ill add on to this.

I watched illegal nz steroid episode and i noticed they didnt look at capsules at all. Is there a reason for this?

I wouldv'e liked to see the effects they had in comparison to the jabing method. That episode really put me off aas ay >< such a seedy enviroment.

Huh? Not quite sure what your geting at here, they didnt look at the effects of any steroids at all on that show..

If that show scared you and/or your scared of needles then steroids are not for you.

[matt.be]

Although albuterol is better IMO.

Have you actually run albuterol? There was a lot of hype by anthony roberts about how it was so much better then clen etc, but most reports are showing minimal fat loss off it, and their all saying clen was far more effective them.

I've just started running albuterol now, so I'll know for sure in a few weeks.

[holdenman]

Although albuterol is better IMO.

Have you actually run albuterol? There was a lot of hype by anthony roberts about how it was so much better then clen etc, but most reports are showing minimal fat loss off it, and their all saying clen was far more effective them.

I've just started running albuterol now, so I'll know for sure in a few weeks.

Yes I have, I found the fat burning effects better than clen although its hard to compare as when I used clen my diet and cardio wasnt the same. Definetely less sides for me, bad shakes from clen and the headaches became almost daily but the alb was much better. Plus being short acting if you take too much you wont be shaking for 24 hours lol.

Are you running it by itself? Keep us posted with how it goes.

[Chemo]

I was under the impression that it also helped with strength/mass.

I am "cutting" now but I am also experimenting with ways of dropping fat without loosing the mass. (reduced carbs and more fat, although I think im blowing my calorie budget as im not measuring by the gram) So I couldn't say im following a strict plan as such. At the end of the day all I want something like clen or dbol for is to speed things up or to enhance the result. It's not essential. Its' strength enhancing properties would help me rehab my body imbalances, like weak rhomboids. Which effects most my upperbody development. Then I can attack my strength training full steam, with less worry of injury. If I were to try something like this it'd be after I had been through a fairly successful cut phase, without it.

Just an experiment.

Cheers for the heads up Holdenman

Headaches, cramps, nausea, jitters? Oh snap. Severe headaches etc?. Is this what you've experienced?

As for the Illegal NZ sorry they were using test jabs? I thought clen had an anabolic property as well, thats why I related it to the show, and the process of getting some (making dodgy calls lol) would be similar.

"If that show scared you and/or your scared of needles then steroids are not for you."

Its not that. I am just relating a the use of BB sups to something like clen or dbol. Convenient aids. Like NO, it helps with the workout but is not essential. Jabs arnt convenient and take time out of your day to use. tab form seems to fit into the natural routine of whey and a few capsules.

"I've just started running albuterol now, so I'll know for sure in a few weeks." tell me how it goes, doing a lil research on it now.

Thanks for the input team

[holdenman]

I was under the impression that it also helped with strength/mass.

I am "cutting" now but I am also experimenting with ways of dropping fat without loosing the mass. (reduced carbs and more fat, although I think im blowing my calorie budget as im not measuring by the gram) So I couldn't say im following a strict plan as such. At the end of the day all I want something like clen or dbol for is to speed things up or to enhance the result. It's not essential. Its' strength enhancing properties would help me rehab my body imbalances, like weak rhomboids. Which effects most my upperbody development. Then I can attack my strength training full steam, with less worry of injury. If I were to try something like this it'd be after I had been through a fairly successful cut phase, without it.

Just an experiment.

Cheers for the heads up Holdenman

Headaches, cramps, nausea, jitters? Oh snap. Severe headaches etc?. Is this what you've experienced?

As for the Illegal NZ sorry they were using test jabs? I thought clen had an anabolic property as well, thats why I related it to the show, and the process of getting some (making dodgy calls lol) would be similar.

"If that show scared you and/or your scared of needles then steroids are not for you."

Its not that. I am just relating a the use of BB sups to something like clen or dbol. Convenient aids. Like NO, it helps with the workout but is not essential. Jabs arnt convenient and take time out of your day to use. tab form seems to fit into the natural routine of whey and a few capsules.

"I've just started running albuterol now, so I'll know for sure in a few weeks." tell me how it goes, doing a lil research on it now.

Thanks for the input team

Yeh thats what I experienced, it was a fine line between the right amount and too much and its not fun when have a little much. But as with everything everyone is different and what didnt agree with me might be fine for someone else.

Yes they were using test on that show but it was really not informative on the subject, if you want to know what does what read up on a site like http://www.steroid.com it will give you a detailed description of pretty much everything. Dbol and clen are at totally different ends of the spectrum.

Yes clen is anabolic in some animals but humans dont have the receptor required so Id be very suprised if you found anyone who has gained a significant amount of mass/strength while using it alone.

Test should be the base of any cycle and inconvenience is no excuse not to use, jabbing takes all of 2 minutes and with test e once a week is fine.

[musclenz]

I was under the impression that it also helped with strength/mass.

I am "cutting" now but I am also experimenting with ways of dropping fat without loosing the mass. (reduced carbs and more fat, although I think im blowing my calorie budget as im not measuring by the gram) So I couldn't say im following a strict plan as such. At the end of the day all I want something like clen or dbol for is to speed things up or to enhance the result. It's not essential. Its' strength enhancing properties would help me rehab my body imbalances, like weak rhomboids. Which effects most my upperbody development. Then I can attack my strength training full steam, with less worry of injury. If I were to try something like this it'd be after I had been through a fairly successful cut phase, without it.

Just an experiment.

Cheers for the heads up Holdenman

Headaches, cramps, nausea, jitters? Oh snap. Severe headaches etc?. Is this what you've experienced?

As for the Illegal NZ sorry they were using test jabs? I thought clen had an anabolic property as well, thats why I related it to the show, and the process of getting some (making dodgy calls lol) would be similar.

"If that show scared you and/or your scared of needles then steroids are not for you."

Its not that. I am just relating a the use of BB sups to something like clen or dbol. Convenient aids. Like NO, it helps with the workout but is not essential. Jabs arnt convenient and take time out of your day to use. tab form seems to fit into the natural routine of whey and a few capsules.

"I've just started running albuterol now, so I'll know for sure in a few weeks." tell me how it goes, doing a lil research on it now.

Thanks for the input team

Yeh thats what I experienced, it was a fine line between the right amount and too much and its not fun when have a little much. But as with everything everyone is different and what didnt agree with me might be fine for someone else.

Yes they were using test on that show but it was really not informative on the subject, if you want to know what does what read up on a site like http://www.steroid.com it will give you a detailed description of pretty much everything. Dbol and clen are at totally different ends of the spectrum.

Yes clen is anabolic in some animals but humans dont have the receptor required so Id be very suprised if you found anyone who has gained a significant amount of mass/strength while using it alone.

Test should be the base of any cycle and inconvenience is no excuse not to use, jabbing takes all of 2 minutes and with test e once a week is fine.

Clenbuterol can be catabolic to muscle unless stacked with Test & other AAS. Yes it will reduce you BF with its thermogenic actions but you will lose body mass & muscle in the process if used alone. It is typicaly a cutting drug used pre contest with other supporting mass drugs like winny masteron & anavar

[matt.be]

Clenbuterol can be catabolic to muscle unless stacked with Test & other AAS. Yes it will reduce you BF with its thermogenic actions but you will lose body mass & muscle in the process if used alone. It is typicaly a cutting drug used pre contest with other supporting mass drugs like winny masteron & anavar

So on a diet of the same cal deficit, for the same length of time, your going to loose more muscle on clen, then if cutting unassited? Assuming AAS is not used.

This seems to be contrary to what I've read?

[Chemo]

Wow I had no idea it would strip muscle from you as well. Even if you were using BCAA glutamine and the ususal high protien diet?

How would clen behave if your diet was not cal restricted, say through a bulking cycle. Would clen fight against you? or would it just reduce the amount of body fat accumulated during the phase ?

Cheers for the insight musclenz

[musclenz]

Wow I had no idea it would strip muscle from you as well. Even if you were using BCAA glutamine and the ususal high protien diet?

How would clen behave if your diet was not cal restricted, say through a bulking cycle. Would clen fight against you? or would it just reduce the amount of body fat accumulated during the phase ?

Cheers for the insight musclenz

Clen can actually be used in a bulking phase but it must still be stacked with AAS. Whats can happen is that in its almost catabolic state it can help promote pumps & muscle fatigue like going to the gym & breaking down muscle in an anaerobic fashion. Those that use clen can testify as to the sort of painful pums you can get going which intensifies theworkout. You have to really up your protein intake & use BCAAs & Taurine as it destroys these rapidily when using esp over 120mcg. Its a fine line though getting it to work this way. Its normally used in a cutting phase. Albuterol is also meant to be quite good. I have not used it myself but apparently the shakes & back cramps re not as bad as clen. I do no of some people who have used it as a fat burner but I believe you need the support & protein synthesis of AAS with it.

[Chemo]

Fascinating, :nod: So clen is used to increase muscle trauma whilst working out? I see why its stacked then. I have just found out about IGF 1, which I thought was illegal I just assumed as a hormone it was bad ha. I think Ill try that until Ive come to a decision on gear.

Cheers again

[genetic freek]

Igf needs gear to be efective and gh to really work, good luck getting some and it is illegal

[samoan_muscle]

Igf needs gear to be efective and gh to really work, good luck getting some and it is illegal

I dont believe IGF here is illegal. The law on it here isnt very descriptive and is unclear. Basically, from what Ive heard, there isnt one. IGF isnt classified as prescription only but if it's discovered in a shipment youre more than likely to have confiscated either way.

[genetic freek]

Igf needs gear to be efective and gh to really work, good luck getting some and it is illegal

I dont believe IGF here is illegal. The law on it here isnt very descriptive and is unclear. Basically, from what Ive heard, there isnt one. IGF isnt classified as prescription only but if it's discovered in a shipment youre more than likely to have confiscated either way.

Your right. IGF is not illegal but as soon as you put into a syringe it is. Weird I know but thats how it is

[samoan_muscle]

Igf needs gear to be efective and gh to really work, good luck getting some and it is illegal

I dont believe IGF here is illegal. The law on it here isnt very descriptive and is unclear. Basically, from what Ive heard, there isnt one. IGF isnt classified as prescription only but if it's discovered in a shipment youre more than likely to have confiscated either way.

Your right. IGF is not illegal but as soon as you put into a syringe it is. Weird I know but thats how it is

Haha oh right...yeah that sounds about right from what I can remember...

[Chemo]

Ah I see, so something like deer antler is all hype. and just another money waster?

[rose]

Deer velvet turned Bob Jones into an even older homo than he already was. Only thing it's good for is trace minerals, and you can get those from eating food 8)

[thatwaslight]

Deer velvet turned Bob Jones into an even older homo than he already was. Only thing it's good for is trace minerals, and you can get those from eating food 8)

whats this food you speak of rose is it readily available?

[rose]

whats this food you speak of rose is it readily available?

Are you implying that deer antler is useful for more than just ash and minerals?

[Chemo]

Lol Bob Jones? The martial arts bob jones ?

[rose]

LOL! No! Ummmmm actually it's Sir Bob Charles who does deer velvet, not Jones, ooopsy :shifty: Still, they're both homos. Jones banned us from boxing in his whey gym, and he used to box! He sucks! :pfft:

Upfront: Sir Robert Jones

"At the age of 12 I was introduced to boxing and instantly loved everything about it."

[Chemo]

Ha, that sucks. Maybe it was because in the whey gym the boxing bags were filled with precious WPI

[jimjim83]

By putting a substance into a syringe doesnt make a legal substance illegal.

If its not a presrciption medicine or in any of the scheduals then putting it in a syrine doesnt make it illegal.

You can put water in a syrine and its still legal.

A improperly obtained syrine/needle is an offence but apart from that there should be no problems. :wink: