Why I left the UK

[nemesis]

Just typical of you's whinging pom's to come here and start moaning about where your from! :pfft:

LOL yeh thats true we are a bunch of whiny bastards.

BUt I do applaud NZ, its given me a life I couldnt live in the UK and its alot safer.

MY son is much better off here, he's 16 months old and he will have a bloody kiwi accent when he can talk..... :grin:

Be glad he has that accent instead of having to hear "init" every second word. I was talking to my mate on the phone the other day and couldn't beleive how much he said f**k and init in each and every sentance :oops:

[Pumpupthejam]

Just typical of you's whinging pom's to come here and start moaning about where your from! :pfft:

LOL yeh thats true we are a bunch of whiny bastards.

BUt I do applaud NZ, its given me a life I couldnt live in the UK and its alot safer.

MY son is much better off here, he's 16 months old and he will have a bloody kiwi accent when he can talk..... :grin:

Be glad he has that accent instead of having to hear "init" every second word. I was talking to my mate on the phone the other day and couldn't beleive how much he said f**k and init in each and every sentance :oops:

He sounds like a cockney geeeeeza!

Im just kidding anyway, I dont mind the Kiwi accent. Its just funny hearing you guys say words like 'ten dollars' as it sounds like "tin dollars' lol.

[nemesis]

LOL yeh thats true we are a bunch of whiny bastards.

BUt I do applaud NZ, its given me a life I couldnt live in the UK and its alot safer.

MY son is much better off here, he's 16 months old and he will have a bloody kiwi accent when he can talk..... :grin:

Be glad he has that accent instead of having to hear "init" every second word. I was talking to my mate on the phone the other day and couldn't beleive how much he said f**k and init in each and every sentance :oops:

He sounds like a cockney geeeeeza!

Im just kidding anyway, I dont mind the Kiwi accent. Its just funny hearing you guys say words like 'ten dollars' as it sounds like "tin dollars' lol.

opps, yeah I should ave pointed out that I was talking to my mate back in london hahah. He couldn't stop laughing at me though cos I now can't stop saying aye. Not looking forward to going home to hackney next year if I can't shake that little habit.

[Pumpupthejam]

Be glad he has that accent instead of having to hear "init" every second word. I was talking to my mate on the phone the other day and couldn't beleive how much he said f**k and init in each and every sentance :oops:

He sounds like a cockney geeeeeza!

Im just kidding anyway, I dont mind the Kiwi accent. Its just funny hearing you guys say words like 'ten dollars' as it sounds like "tin dollars' lol.

opps, yeah I should ave pointed out that I was talking to my mate back in london hahah. He couldn't stop laughing at me though cos I now can't stop saying aye. Not looking forward to going home to hackney next year if I can't shake that little habit.

Are you originally from the UK?

Never been to Hackney myself, thats where Ray Winstone is from (Actor).

I hate the London tube, I am always getting lost on that f*cker.

[AlBundy]

I mean come on, if a 40 odd year old guy with autism living in his mums house hacks into US military computers thousands of miles away using fucking dial up LMAO........then thats America's problem.....hahahahahaha......

How embarrassing for the US government, and thats exactly why they want him, to make an example of him.

They say it was really bad because his did it right after 9/11 but surely they US government would of had security alot more tighter after that?

BUt 60 years for a non-violent crime while rapists, murderers and child molesters get less!!!!

The US government should be thanking Gary for exposing their 'super duper top security flaws, and employ him to show them a few hacking tricks.

He should at least be trialled in UK, but 60 years? What a joke.

I feel sorry for him, but he should just get a very minimum sentence in UK, like community service etc.

Another reason why I really dislike the UK. WE can't even protect one of our own. Or 'dont want to' for sake of losing credit with the US.

Man I was watching police ten 7 tonight and this cop pulled over some south auckland muppet for doing 125 on the motorway, car reeked of weed they searched him and the car and found meth and cannabis on him and the guy only got a 200 dollar fine for possessing meth. He got fined for the other stuff as well but only 200 bucks for the meth. How fucked is that, you get fined more for having no wof or reg than having meth on you. I bet if the guy was white he would probably be in prison.

[Pumpupthejam]

I mean come on, if a 40 odd year old guy with autism living in his mums house hacks into US military computers thousands of miles away using fucking dial up LMAO........then thats America's problem.....hahahahahaha......

How embarrassing for the US government, and thats exactly why they want him, to make an example of him.

They say it was really bad because his did it right after 9/11 but surely they US government would of had security alot more tighter after that?

BUt 60 years for a non-violent crime while rapists, murderers and child molesters get less!!!!

The US government should be thanking Gary for exposing their 'super duper top security flaws, and employ him to show them a few hacking tricks.

He should at least be trialled in UK, but 60 years? What a joke.

I feel sorry for him, but he should just get a very minimum sentence in UK, like community service etc.

Another reason why I really dislike the UK. WE can't even protect one of our own. Or 'dont want to' for sake of losing credit with the US.

Man I was watching police ten 7 tonight and this cop pulled over some south auckland muppet for doing 125 on the motorway, car reeked of weed they searched him and the car and found meth and cannabis on him and the guy only got a 200 dollar fine for possessing meth. He got fined for the other stuff as well but only 200 bucks for the meth. How fucked is that, you get fined more for having no wof or reg than having meth on you. I bet if the guy was white he would probably be in prison.

$200 fine for posession of meth? sounds proper dodgy to me. THe cop probably got some off camera and was like "yeh thanks bro, sorry about the cameras being here this time, but I had to make it look legit."

[VampireChick]

Man I was watching police ten 7 tonight and this cop pulled over some south auckland muppet for doing 125 on the motorway, car reeked of weed they searched him and the car and found meth and cannabis on him and the guy only got a 200 dollar fine for possessing meth. He got fined for the other stuff as well but only 200 bucks for the meth. How fucked is that, you get fined more for having no wof or reg than having meth on you. I bet if the guy was white he would probably be in prison.

Don't make assumptions - you don't know that. We may have some racial issues here, but they're nowhere near bad as say, London. Making statements like that however, only enhance the problem when you have no proof to back it up.

[AlBundy]

Man I was watching police ten 7 tonight and this cop pulled over some south auckland muppet for doing 125 on the motorway, car reeked of weed they searched him and the car and found meth and cannabis on him and the guy only got a 200 dollar fine for possessing meth. He got fined for the other stuff as well but only 200 bucks for the meth. How fucked is that, you get fined more for having no wof or reg than having meth on you. I bet if the guy was white he would probably be in prison.

Don't make assumptions - you don't know that. We may have some racial issues here, but they're nowhere near bad as say, London. Making statements like that however, only enhance the problem when you have no proof to back it up.

New Zealands problems aren't as bad as Londons, or alot of other places for that matter, I never said they where and I wasn't trying to compare NZ to Great Britain.

I will retract what I said, only because proving it would require a lot of effort. Though to say that there are no discrepancies between punishments given to people of different ethnic groups, for the same crimes is well, unobservant.

[VampireChick]

I'm certainly not saying it doesn't exist, in fact, you could argue the complete opposite to your argument. But making sweeping statements without the statistics to back it up isn't exactly constructive.

[Pumpupthejam]

Man I was watching police ten 7 tonight and this cop pulled over some south auckland muppet for doing 125 on the motorway, car reeked of weed they searched him and the car and found meth and cannabis on him and the guy only got a 200 dollar fine for possessing meth. He got fined for the other stuff as well but only 200 bucks for the meth. How fucked is that, you get fined more for having no wof or reg than having meth on you. I bet if the guy was white he would probably be in prison.

Don't make assumptions - you don't know that. We may have some racial issues here, but they're nowhere near bad as say, London. Making statements like that however, only enhance the problem when you have no proof to back it up.

New Zealands problems aren't as bad as Londons, or alot of other places for that matter, I never said they where and I wasn't trying to compare NZ to Great Britain.

I will retract what I said, only because proving it would require a lot of effort. Though to say that there are no discrepancies between punishments given to people of different ethnic groups, for the same crimes is well, unobservant.

LOL mate your pic is crack up hahahaha awesome.

[Danomyte]

Coming from Sth Auckland and being a Pacific Islander I can admit that there is a greater number of youth gangs and crime around

But South Auckland is a great place to live and it's not that bad really Lots of good people and lots of bad people in Sth Auckland - just like anywhere else

And for me, it's the bloody government/justice system that is to blame.

Harsher penalties for assualt, drug and gang affiliated crimes I say!!!

[tonyb]

What really pisses my off about the poms is they wont let us kiwis go live there if we want to. We came from there so we should be able to go back.

If you dont have grandparents or enough points your screwed. Yet they let in all the scum you guys have just been talking about. WTF!?

[Pumpupthejam]

What really pisses my off about the poms is they wont let us kiwis go live there if we want to. We came from there so we should be able to go back.

If you dont have grandparents or enough points your screwed. Yet they let in all the scum you guys have just been talking about. WTF!?

Yeh I know its total bullshit. I remember the British immigration refused Christchurch band Opshop, telling them to get proper visa etc.....when they were doing a UK tour or something.

[Branko]

I lived in the UK a while back and IMHO past and present governments have bought these problems on themselves with their soft-cock approach to immigration and their attitude towards crime and how they treat scum of the earth criminals.

Gone are the days where you stood up and made a stand for what you believed in. I feel sorry for the average hard working UK citizen who can only sit there and watch their country go down the toilet. I used to have the opinion that the british were the classical stiff upper lip people, quite staunch level headed, and if they believed in something strongly enough were willing to make a stand and fight for it. Sadly things have changed and to me that doesn't seem to be the case anymore.

I have my english friends and the stories they have relayed to be regarding the current state of political correctness there in bordering on insane. Accorrdingly the police force are looked at these days as a laughing stock because it seems most officers are more concerned about complaints made against them than catching criminals!! I wonder why crime is out of control in places like South London, Manchester?????

Sadly NZ will follow suit in due course.........

[Sakura]

If you check out the offender database at the Sensible Sentencing website you can find people who have dozens of offences. And not minor ones either. Assaults, rape, kidnapping, weapons charges etc.

As an example... http://www.safenz.org.nz/Data/burtongraeme.htm

How the hell can a person get over 100 convictions? When should the courts say "enough is enough, you obviously will never live peacefully in society" and just leave them in prison.

I bet if the guy was white he would probably be in prison.

Actually...

"Adjusting for the different sizes of populations...

About five times as many Maori as Pakeha/Europeans are apprehended, prosecuted, and convicted. Nine times as many Maori are remanded in prison awaiting trial and nearly seven times as many Maori are given a custodial sentence or are serving prison sentences. "

The courts are harsher on Maoris. Got that quote from here

http://www.beehive.govt.nz/node/27910

There are plenty of similar results from other studies on the statistics or corrections websites.

[holdenman]

If you check out the offender database at the Sensible Sentencing website you can find people who have dozens of offences. And not minor ones either. Assaults, rape, kidnapping, weapons charges etc.

As an example... http://www.safenz.org.nz/Data/burtongraeme.htm

How the hell can a person get over 100 convictions? When should the courts say "enough is enough, you obviously will never live peacefully in society" and just leave them in prison.

I bet if the guy was white he would probably be in prison.

Actually...

"Adjusting for the different sizes of populations...

About five times as many Maori as Pakeha/Europeans are apprehended, prosecuted, and convicted. Nine times as many Maori are remanded in prison awaiting trial and nearly seven times as many Maori are given a custodial sentence or are serving prison sentences. "

The courts are harsher on Maoris. Got that quote from here

http://www.beehive.govt.nz/node/27910

There are plenty of similar results from other studies on the statistics or corrections websites.

Lol, that could be saying one of two things.. Maori are treated more harshly by the justice systems or, maybe just maybe, they commit more offences.

[Sakura]

The stats are adjusted to take into account the different population stats and the fact that there are a higher proportion of Maori than other races in prison etc. Thats why I highlighted that first line in bold.

Edit: There are other studies that show that when comparing the same crimes/seriousness of the crime/etc that maoris are more likely to get a harsher sentence than a white who does the exact same thing. I'm white, so its not like Im posting coz I want the white, British oppressors to f*#k off back to England.

I think Maoris make up something like 50% of the prison population, but, Maoris are also far more likely to be the victim of crime. Go figure.

Anyway, I didn't want to make this a race issue. I think the crime problems go beyond that.

[tonyb]

Why does society put up with all these scum???

The victims get treated worse than the offenders.

All these scum with 100+ convictions what a joke!!!

When are we going to stand up and say enough is enough?

[Pumpupthejam]

Why does society put up with all these scum???

The victims get treated worse than the offenders.

All these scum with 100+ convictions what a joke!!!

When are we going to stand up and say enough is enough?

Remember when we, the tax payer, bailed out all the major banks, yes us, good old joe public footed the bill once again for their f*ck ups, and the bank execs were 'rewarded' with huge bonuses.........sick.

The banks OWN and control the government, not the other way around.

Everything is twisted, I swear.

Same goes to for the justice system. Criminals are almost rewarded for their crimes.......they justice system tells the public these scumbags are in 'prison' yet its not any kind of prison at all......they have tvs in their rooms, playstations etc and hey before you know it they are RELEASED.

I thought the London bombings would be a huge wake up call for the my govenment but oooooh no, lets pretend it never happened and take it up the arse.

Wankers.

[Ordy]

Actually...

"Adjusting for the different sizes of populations...

About five times as many Maori as Pakeha/Europeans are apprehended, prosecuted, and convicted. Nine times as many Maori are remanded in prison awaiting trial and nearly seven times as many Maori are given a custodial sentence or are serving prison sentences. "

TBH, a lot more Maoris do commit more crime and get punished, Im part maori(not that i look it ) myself and i just avoid 70% of my maori cousins etc for this reason.

But there is some sick shit that happens in this country though, a mate is a friend of quite a few gangs etc and nasty nasty stuff :/

[Pumpupthejam]

Actually...

"Adjusting for the different sizes of populations...

About five times as many Maori as Pakeha/Europeans are apprehended, prosecuted, and convicted. Nine times as many Maori are remanded in prison awaiting trial and nearly seven times as many Maori are given a custodial sentence or are serving prison sentences. "

TBH, a lot more Maoris do commit more crime and get punished, Im part maori(not that i look it ) myself and i just avoid 70% of my maori cousins etc for this reason.

But there is some sick shit that happens in this country though, a mate is a friend of quite a few gangs etc and nasty nasty stuff :/

Gangs are gay. I stared out some twat maori guy who was obviously a gang member with his gay as gang 'party dress' on and he stared at me back like he was well hard. He even had a swastika tattoo on his chest, thick as shit or what?

I dont give a shit if hes a gang member they all think they are above everyone else. Plus I was in the middle of town, whats he gunna do in broad daylight? Wanker. SAme goes for white, blue, orange, brown, black gang members, all WANKERS.

[Ordy]

Yeah, There are a few good dudes in some of the biker gangs but way to many needa be shot.

[AlBundy]

Eh yea it's a funny picture I found.

[AlBundy]

The stats are adjusted to take into account the different population stats and the fact that there are a higher proportion of Maori than other races in prison etc. Thats why I highlighted that first line in bold.

Edit: There are other studies that show that when comparing the same crimes/seriousness of the crime/etc that maoris are more likely to get a harsher sentence than a white who does the exact same thing. I'm white, so its not like Im posting coz I want the white, British oppressors to f*#k off back to England.

I think Maoris make up something like 50% of the prison population, but, Maoris are also far more likely to be the victim of crime. Go figure.

Anyway, I didn't want to make this a race issue. I think the crime problems go beyond that.

I made an off the hand comment that was inappropriate. I am a bit, bitter but thats due to my own experience and it really shouldn't affect my objectivity, but it has.

[nemesis]

[quote name="VampireChick

Don't make assumptions - you don't know that. We may have some racial issues here' date=' but they're nowhere near bad as say, London. Making statements like that however, only enhance the problem when you have no proof to back it up.