NZFBB RULE CHANGE!!!!!!

[rollesbygirl]

You know all this thread is waiting for is another epitaph from Christopher Chase........

[cantygirl]

I sorta feel sorry for her with all this shit flying, however, she sure put herself out there, what with the cameras out back at the Nats and her doing gymnastics before the evening show started. I save all my respect for the guys and gals who have put many years of hard work and expense to finally get their pro cards. It will be very interesting to see how she goes in the international arena. Oh well good luck to her (she's gona need it)

[samoan_muscle]

I feel sorry for the likes of Jo stewart who has put in so many years of hard work and was only just awarded her card this year! only to have a friend who has certinly not got the titles behind of her be handed one a few months later! kinda shits on Jo and all the others who deserve to be labled as a "Pro".

and how bad is NZ going to look on an international stage with competitors who dont belong there! All a bit pathetic really.

Though in saying all this isnt not exactly Raechelle fault she has been given the card - i think i feel a bit sorry for her.??

Jo could have gotten her pro card years ago if she wanted it. I could be wrong but I believe she had a few goals that she wanted to achieve as an amateur first...and didnt get the card until she was ready.

[Wif]

Jo could have gotten her pro card years ago if she wanted it. I could be wrong but I believe she had a few goals that she wanted to achieve as an amateur first...and didnt get the card until she was ready.

[nzmusclemonster]

Though in saying all this isnt not exactly Raechelle fault she has been given the card - i think i feel a bit sorry for her.??

If I am correct, I think the only way you can get a pro card in NZ is to make an application for one. I don't think it simply would have been handed to her.

Although it does raise the question of what sort of process did this application go through. Was it put to the committe or was it signed off by the president??

[Wif]

[quote="nzmusclemonster"

Although it does raise the question of what sort of process did this application go through. Was it put to the committe or was it signed off by the president??

[Optimass]

I feel sorry for the likes of Jo stewart who has put in so many years of hard work and was only just awarded her card this year! only to have a friend who has certinly not got the titles behind of her be handed one a few months later! kinda shits on Jo and all the others who deserve to be labled as a "Pro".

and how bad is NZ going to look on an international stage with competitors who dont belong there! All a bit pathetic really.

Though in saying all this isnt not exactly Raechelle fault she has been given the card - i think i feel a bit sorry for her.??

Jo could have gotten her pro card years ago if she wanted it. I could be wrong but I believe she had a few goals that she wanted to achieve as an amateur first...and didnt get the card until she was ready.

:nod: was offered a number of times.

[bodybyjo]

Hi guys, I was eligible for my pro card a long time ago, but figured I wasnt ready and I wanted to enjoy the worlds stage. Kinda like why go to university when I hadnt finished with high school yet.

The Pro scene is very tough and not something to take lightly. If Raechelle thinks she is ready and the NZFBB gave it to her, then all the best to her. I just hope that applications from the members to be granted funding for their future international events as advertised on the Nats poster is granted as easily.

Raechelle is not to blame for this.. The rules should not of been changed until the start of the new competition year in 2010 with prior notice given to the members, but they were untimely changed and all we can do is sit here and get uptight or see a positive out of this which is, 2010 could see every open class competitor eligible for Pro Cards.

[Outlaw53]

but they were untimely changed and all we can do is sit here and get uptight or see a positive out of this which is, 2010 could see every open class competitor eligible for Pro Cards.

LOL.............exactly Jo, they have made their bed, now they will have to lie in it.

Pretty much anyone can apply for and will receive a Pro card if they want one if we are to go by this year's events.

What's to stop everyone from applying for one next year?

They can hardly knock it back can they?

Expect the goalposts to be moved again. :wink:

[Gym rat]

I also feel sorry for Raecheel with all this shit flying. I wish her all the best on the pro stage and it will be instreating on how Raechelle gets on the pro stage.

[pimp]

so can Nathan O hearn and Supry can apply for pro cards now? lol.

[MasterTel]

so can Nathan O hearn and Supry can apply for pro cards now? lol.

Of course they can! Any IFBB-affiliated competitor can apply ... what people need to realise is that Pro cards aren't automatically given to winners at specific NZFBB events (as they are at some event overseas e.g. USA NPC Nationals) - they need to be applied for and obviously the competitor must want to apply for it in the first place!

[hawks]

Hi Guys,

Has anyone heard abit of gossip about Rachelle Chaise getting her pro-card, wot a joke.

I really do think people in the country of AOTEROA are confusing there capabilities and aspirations , A joke is right cantygirl , to be honest all the pro bodybuilders in this country (with the exception of one) , must have there heads in the clouds or in some unmentionable orifice , it amazes me why they would even contemplate going for there card , and the officials who are granting them should get a boot up the arse as well . Its a bit like 12 HANDICAP golfer thinking he is hot shit and deciding to take on Tiger wood YEAH RIGHT. common guys get reaL FOR CHRIST SAKE.Dont get me wrong the ones that have pro cards have good builds but they are light years away from been able to compete with the pros at the top level so why would you bother.

[Matrix]

Hawks I respect your opinion, however history tells us that you do need a number of pro's to sustain a professional league.

If just the top ten or fifteen guys competed at EVERY show (even the small ones) then the sport at a pro level would quickly die as up and coming athletes would never get the chance to share these stages.

Look at other individual professional sports e.g golf, there are alot of golf pros competing, and using the sport to make a living by earnings and endorsements(at the top level) or by using the prestige of being on a pro tour to enhance there other careers in coaching, course design etc.

Just because an athlete qualifies as a pro doesn't mean that they have to be a top 15 pro to ever benefit from the opportunities that the sport can bring.

Look how many golfers we have competing internationally, how many are in the top 20?

One of the most important things any athlete needs to improve in their chosen sport is international competition.

They need to experience what the level of competition is like at the top/upper levels and use this experience to either guage their level against the competition(and improve to become more competitive against the upper echelon) or to get a reality call about their limitations.

It's like blooding a new international in a sport, some sink some swim and some sink but go away, work on their game then come back as more complete professionals.

Look at someone like Nick Willis, its taking him many years to work his way up through the ranks to be a top 5 1500 metre runner, and going to the states to get better, regular competition as helped him greatly. Greatness inspires greatness.

IMO the biggest diservice we can do is not give athletes with potential the opportunity to experience this competition and use this as motivation and impetise to improve.

On a side note: I bet Ronnie Coleman is glad he didnt quit after his first 3 or 4 years on the Pro Scene where he placed poorly.

Also: Look how much Moe has improved since competing on the Pro Scene.

[hawks]

Hawks I respect your opinion, however history tells us that you do need a number of pro's to sustain a professional league.

If just the top ten or fifteen guys competed at EVERY show (even the small ones) then the sport at a pro level would quickly die as up and coming athletes would never get the chance to share these stages.

Look at other individual professional sports e.g golf, there are alot of golf pros competing, and using the sport to make a living by earnings and endorsements(at the top level) or by using the prestige of being on a pro tour to enhance there other careers in coaching, course design etc.

Just because an athlete qualifies as a pro doesn't mean that they have to be a top 15 pro to ever benefit from the opportunities that the sport can bring.

Look how many golfers we have competing internationally, how many are in the top 20?

One of the most important things any athlete needs to improve in their chosen sport is international competition.

They need to experience what the level of competition is like at the top/upper levels and use this experience to either guage their level against the competition(and improve to become more competitive against the upper echelon) or to get a reality call about their limitations.

It's like blooding a new international in a sport, some sink some swim and some sink but go away, work on their game then come back as more complete professionals.

Look at someone like Nick Willis, its taking him many years to work his way up through the ranks to be a top 5 1500 metre runner, and going to the states to get better, regular competition as helped him greatly. Greatness inspires greatness.

IMO the biggest diservice we can do is not give athletes with potential the opportunity to experience this competition and use this as motivation and impetise to improve.

On a side note: I bet Ronnie Coleman is glad he didnt quit after his first 3 or 4 years on the Pro Scene where he placed poorly.

Also: Look how much Moe has improved since competing on the Pro Scene.

To be honest mate i think you missed the point , the guys that are pros here with the exception of Moe will never scratch out a living out of bodybuilding , are they just doing it to say i am a pro bodybuilder, look at the npc champs our top guys would not even come close , if they need experiance good i say what is wrong with winning a nationals then go for a universe or a worlds then if they do well there by all means go further,

christ one guy got beaten by a under 70 kilo guy at the nationals and he still got his pro card , i mean COME ON GET REAL.There is an old saying ya gotta walk before ya run.The time,expense and dare i say it the abuse of certain substances it takes to be a successfull pro bodybuilder is just way outa reach for most , it takes a bit more than muscle tech to make it to the top.As for golf i would hazard a guess the 100 best golfer in the world would make more in a year than the top 5 bodybuilders put together.We have many golfers competing throughout the world none of which are in the top 20 but all would be making a reasonable living out of it .Oh and they wouldnt have a 30 thousand GH bill at the end of the year . If ya know what i mean.

[Optimass]

Hawks I respect your opinion, however history tells us that you do need a number of pro's to sustain a professional league.

If just the top ten or fifteen guys competed at EVERY show (even the small ones) then the sport at a pro level would quickly die as up and coming athletes would never get the chance to share these stages.

Look at other individual professional sports e.g golf, there are alot of golf pros competing, and using the sport to make a living by earnings and endorsements(at the top level) or by using the prestige of being on a pro tour to enhance there other careers in coaching, course design etc.

Just because an athlete qualifies as a pro doesn't mean that they have to be a top 15 pro to ever benefit from the opportunities that the sport can bring.

Look how many golfers we have competing internationally, how many are in the top 20?

One of the most important things any athlete needs to improve in their chosen sport is international competition.

They need to experience what the level of competition is like at the top/upper levels and use this experience to either guage their level against the competition(and improve to become more competitive against the upper echelon) or to get a reality call about their limitations.

It's like blooding a new international in a sport, some sink some swim and some sink but go away, work on their game then come back as more complete professionals.

Look at someone like Nick Willis, its taking him many years to work his way up through the ranks to be a top 5 1500 metre runner, and going to the states to get better, regular competition as helped him greatly. Greatness inspires greatness.

IMO the biggest diservice we can do is not give athletes with potential the opportunity to experience this competition and use this as motivation and impetise to improve.

On a side note: I bet Ronnie Coleman is glad he didnt quit after his first 3 or 4 years on the Pro Scene where he placed poorly.

Also: Look how much Moe has improved since competing on the Pro Scene.

Good post mate - a few angles I hadn't considered in those contexts.

In reference to athletes like Nato (if he were considering a card) that it would raise the bar of competition for him. I don't think someone that has trained as long as him shouldn't get the opportunity having invested that much work into his physique.

Mike D is a good example of a new pro that has seen the up end of the pro ranks - come back to NZ with a game plan based on his experience and will no doubt return bigger/stronger faster. And the shared experience for those coming through would be beneficial to others coming through the ranks.

[Gym rat]

Hawks I respect your opinion, however history tells us that you do need a number of pro's to sustain a professional league.

If just the top ten or fifteen guys competed at EVERY show (even the small ones) then the sport at a pro level would quickly die as up and coming athletes would never get the chance to share these stages.

Look at other individual professional sports e.g golf, there are alot of golf pros competing, and using the sport to make a living by earnings and endorsements(at the top level) or by using the prestige of being on a pro tour to enhance there other careers in coaching, course design etc.

Just because an athlete qualifies as a pro doesn't mean that they have to be a top 15 pro to ever benefit from the opportunities that the sport can bring.

Look how many golfers we have competing internationally, how many are in the top 20?

One of the most important things any athlete needs to improve in their chosen sport is international competition.

They need to experience what the level of competition is like at the top/upper levels and use this experience to either guage their level against the competition(and improve to become more competitive against the upper echelon) or to get a reality call about their limitations.

It's like blooding a new international in a sport, some sink some swim and some sink but go away, work on their game then come back as more complete professionals.

Look at someone like Nick Willis, its taking him many years to work his way up through the ranks to be a top 5 1500 metre runner, and going to the states to get better, regular competition as helped him greatly. Greatness inspires greatness.

IMO the biggest diservice we can do is not give athletes with potential the opportunity to experience this competition and use this as motivation and impetise to improve.

On a side note: I bet Ronnie Coleman is glad he didnt quit after his first 3 or 4 years on the Pro Scene where he placed poorly.

Also: Look how much Moe has improved since competing on the Pro Scene.

Good post mate - a few angles I hadn't considered in those contexts.

In reference to athletes like Nato (if he were considering a card) that it would raise the bar of competition for him. I don't think someone that has trained as long as him shouldn't get the opportunity having invested that much work into his physique.

Mike D is a good example of a new pro that has seen the up end of the pro ranks - come back to NZ with a game plan based on his experience and will no doubt return bigger/stronger faster. And the shared experience for those coming through would be beneficial to others coming through the ranks.

I also thought that was a great post by Matrix that is a very good point about Moe when started out on the pro stage by placing in the top 15 at the Ironman in 2006 and now one of the top ten pro's in the world.That is a very good point by Optimass about Mike D coming back to NZ with a game plain based on his learing experince from tampa and Dallas and will return bigger stronger and faster when Mike D returns to the pro stage.

[pimp]

Its kind of sad to know, bodybuilders here dont really need to do much to get a pro card in comparison to guys who tried for years such as Vinny Galanti, Branden Ray, Matt Mendenhal, Flex Wheeler etc through by winning Overall NPC comps or their class. I find it weird.

[bigmd]

[To be honest mate i think you missed the point , the guys that are pros here with the exception of Moe will never scratch out a living out of bodybuilding , are they just doing it to say i am a pro bodybuilder, look at the npc champs our top guys would not even come close , if they need experiance good i say what is wrong with winning a nationals then go for a universe or a worlds then if they do well there by all means go further,

christ one guy got beaten by a under 70 kilo guy at the nationals and he still got his pro card , i mean COME ON GET REAL.There is an old saying ya gotta walk before ya run.The time,expense and dare i say it the abuse of certain substances it takes to be a successfull pro bodybuilder is just way outa reach for most , it takes a bit more than muscle tech to make it to the top.As for golf i would hazard a guess the 100 best golfer in the world would make more in a year than the top 5 bodybuilders put together.We have many golfers competing throughout the world none of which are in the top 20 but all would be making a reasonable living out of it .Oh and they wouldnt have a 30 thousand GH bill at the end of the year . If ya know what i mean.

:roll:

Off Topic from this post BUT What would YOU suggest for me as far as my bbing future should intail????(you seem to have an opinion on me and my fellow pro bbing buddies abilities) Regardless of some factors i have won 3 overall national tiltles (over 2 weight catagories) place 6th at a universe (at the same universe that Silvio won), 5th at a worlds,(both at far from my best) and except for when i was in the Jnr ranks have never been betten at any NZFBB nationals, (over a 16yrs of competing) Just really interested on the thoughts of someone with as much insite as yourself. im sure my other fellow Pro Competitors would be interseted also

PS in tampa i was in a call out, and placed beside Robert P From Poland who was a 2x IFBB overall world champ and won the elite her in Auck last yr. (the following week in Dallas he placed 5th) Maybe they wanted to compare a real pro with a chump from NZ just to see how silly i would look:?

PSS I dont need to make a living from Pro BBing i make a dam good living from what i do! i wounder if Tiger Woods became a pro because of the money or just doing what he loves, and has been lucky enough to make a living from it.

[hawks]

Yep off topic , these posts have a habit of doing that . This was not ment to be taken personally but rather a point of fustration on my part . The officals here seem to be handing out pro cards to every Tom Dick and Harry , why i am not sure . And to be honest if i have ever competed in anything i like to win and history tells us not to many of us here in kiwi land do to well in the pro ranks. It is just my opinion and if people want compete in the pro ranks more the power to them . This is not to say that there are no good Bodybuilders here far from it , I saw you pose before you went to Tampa and you looked great . And there are a few others around that look bloody good as well . But and this is only my opinion , we are years away from the pros overseas . I went to a strong arm contest in wellington when Nassa came out one year , Justin came out and posed , hell he looked great , huge . Then they bought Nassa out next to him and it was like comparing apples with oranges . I guess my point is that those guys are so far ahead of everyone else why bother if you cant compete with them on there level . They are obviously doing something different . Our sport is so much different than others , dieting , mood swings , cost of SUPPLEMENTS , not to mention the cost on relationships , and even then you might not even come in the top ten . Maybe one day we will produce a genetic freak that will be able to get a top five at the Olympia .

[bigmd]

And to be honest if i have ever competed in anything i like to win and history tells us not to many of us here in kiwi land do to well in the pro ranks.quote]

8) Yeh i got sick of winning so thought id go somewhere to get my arse kicked. :wink:

Your attitude would stop you from progressing as a pro. :nod: My 1st Nats i got 6th, next yr i got 3rd, 3 yrs later i was winning national titles. My attitude along with Mike K and many others is to continuously improve.

I have NO desire to go to the Olympia (ok a lie id love to but am not heart broken knowing that i wont) i do this to be the best i can.

[MasterTel]

Moe is a good example of a Pro who did OK in 2007 without really being noticed amongst the "big boys", but then he found another gear (sorry, no pun intended! :pfft: ) and not only qualified for the 2008 and 2009 Olympia's but finished top-10 at both. And it is not unrealistic to think he could crack the top-6 next year.

Perhaps few if any of our other current IFBB Pros can or will attain such a high level of achievement, but at the very least they are living their dream and hopefully allowing some of that experience to rub off on other up-and-coming bodybuilders so that one day we may have 2 or 3 more getting on the Olympia stage.

[hawks]

Moe is a good example of a Pro who did OK in 2007 without really being noticed amongst the "big boys", but then he found another gear (sorry, no pun intended! :pfft: ) and not only qualified for the 2008 and 2009 Olympia's but finished top-10 at both. And it is not unrealistic to think he could crack the top-6 next year.

Perhaps few if any of our other current IFBB Pros can or will attain such a high level of achievement, but at the very least they are living their dream and hopefully allowing some of that experience to rub off on other up-and-coming bodybuilders so that one day we may have 2 or 3 more getting on the Olympia stage.

HAHA found a new gear very funny ,

ya gotta take ya hat off to Moe though he has done well , I think anyone who has ever competed would love to be on an Olympia stage.And to actually achieve it is awesome .

[rollesbygirl]

Check out Lisas site for Exclusive! Raechelle talks about her Figure Pro Card

http://www.gofigure.co.nz/doc/content/view/875/7/

[weener lad]

I guess my point is that those guys are so far ahead of everyone else why bother if you cant compete with them on there level .

:doh: Are you serious?????? Why bother doing anything then if somebody is better than you? I wonder do you even train with an attitude like that you will never throw around good tin.