The best supplements you need for all your goals)

[severe]

It's awesome how bullshit spreads. Memes FTW :grin:

MEMES! yeah, classic.

Seeing how many people fall instantly without proof (across all socio-economic and racial lines) makes for good humour.

oh no, I am a sucker for the meme of talking about the suckers who spread memes...

[severe]

waiting for my 500g of BCAA turn up from the USA. takes up to a fortnight, but sometimes it does work out cheaper.

Damn, this shit just doesn't mix in water, or my shake. it kind of gives it a waxy feel. Any ideas? Orange juice? Has anyone else used the unflavoured BCAA powders?

[Ordy]

Tablets ftw

[johnnybravo007]

Im a bit of a supplement whore:-) but i try to keep it as simple as possible.

Breakfast

ON 100% Whey Protein

ON Glutamine

ON Fishoil tab

ON Multi tab

Oats

Pre Workout

ON BCAA tabs

Shock Therapy NO

Post Wokout

ON 100% Whey Protein

BSN CellMass

Bedtime

BSN Syntha 6 (or ON 100% Casein depending)

ON Glutamine

And alot of whole food meals in between:-)

[rose]

There is even research from the american college of fitness that suggests that pure whey (isolate) overloads protein receptors within the muscle cell to such a large extent that they can shut down for up to 12 hours (thus not absorbing anymore protein during this time).

Thats quite a large claim. Care to provide the research from the american college of fitness?

I too am keen to read stated research.

Yo, I'm still waiting for said research? Cos if it's true, my mussels must be fucken starving for teh nutrients hey, which would explain my lack of LEAN MASS and recovery etc.

[HumanPerformance]

Thats quite a large claim. Care to provide the research from the american college of fitness?

I too am keen to read stated research.

Yo, I'm still waiting for said research? Cos if it's true, my mussels must be fucken starving for teh nutrients hey, which would explain my lack of LEAN MASS and recovery etc.

Lol, you will be waiting a bit longer as well Im affraid. Is not due to be published for a while . I only heard about when speaking with a collegue on facebook who used to be a nutritionist over here but has since spends his time working in canada and the US. It is a pelimenary study that has yet to be duplicated.Even though it was a full fledged "double blind procedure" untill the results have been reproduced in at least 2 more studies by his peers it wont be "officially recognised", that alone published.

[rose]

I too am keen to read stated research.

Yo, I'm still waiting for said research? Cos if it's true, my mussels must be fucken starving for teh nutrients hey, which would explain my lack of LEAN MASS and recovery etc.

Lol, you will be waiting a bit longer as well Im affraid. Is not due to be published for a while . I only heard about when speaking with a collegue on facebook who used to be a nutritionist over here but has since spends his time working in canada and the US. It is a pelimenary study that has yet to be duplicated.Even though it was a full fledged "double blind procedure" untill the results have been reproduced in at least 2 more studies by his peers it wont be "officially recognised", that alone published.

Ohhh, I geddit! It's an unpublished, unsupported crock of shit. Kthxbai.

[ThePman]

Ohhh, I geddit! It's an unpublished, unsupported crock of shit. Kthxbai.

Well honestly the mere concept of "protein receptors" (lol) being "overloaded" (lol again) for 12 hours by a transient spike of amino acids is lulzy from the outset, so that's no shock.

There is a real "anabolic resistance" in the published research, but it's really got nothing to do with how this was painted.

[rose]

but it's really got nothing to do with how this was painted.

Precisely.

[Optimass]

Ohhh, I geddit! It's an unpublished, unsupported crock of shit. Kthxbai.

Well honestly the mere concept of "protein receptors" (lol) being "overloaded" (lol again) for 12 hours by a transient spike of amino acids is lulzy from the outset, so that's no shock.

There is a real "anabolic resistance" in the published research, but it's really got nothing to do with how this was painted.

I wouldn't write it off - I know who HP is refering too. Remember for a time people thought the world was flat > Scientific paradigms in this sport change very slowly as the topics of most interest to bodybuilders specifically are not generally commercially viable.

Extra zinc, magnesium, and calcium, just to make sure I'm not deficient

interesting that we are prepared to accept what essentially is hype around mineral supplementation (at additional personal cost) on the off chance we "might need it". ... not flaming ya Pman ... I'm just on a minimal supplementation crusade (eat a balanced diet and you need less bells and whistles :nod: )

The best supplements:

Whey / Antioxidants (its a habit thats dying hard :nod: ) / Testosterone / and a frosty Corona - with slice of lemon > anything else and your just being greedy :pfft:

[musclearmor]

I agree with most of above

Protein powder- but Id select a blend version....all the benefits of Whey plus the sustained amino pools from eggs/ quality caseins etc. SOmething like that new Inner Armour SUper Quad is good value. If you can afford it, some blends add useful ingrediants such as digestive enzymes, vitamins, good fats etc directing them towards a meal replacement like Gaspari Myofusion (now that is good!) or Syntha-6, but I prefer the MyoFusion since the carb count is lower and it's cheaper per serve when ya go for the 5LB. I like to add my carbs by way of food like corn thins and fruit.

Hell yes to Fish oil- they are essentail fats I.e. if you don't get them from diet your body cannot synthasise them. ALso help with promoting good hormonal status (Testosterone), improved skin and hair, reduced inflamation.

Next- I gotta side with these new Pre-workout products, which actualy hits 4 more categories- Caffiene, Creatine, Nitric Oxide (NOS) & Beta-Alanine. Gaspari Superpump250 is 1st on my list, VPX Shotgun would be 2nd. Infact- both products contain creatine which would be my next supplement I rate.

Which drives me back to the debate above. VPX has a powerful stimulant product called Shotgun for 30 mins before training, and also a non-stimulant product basically identical in every other way. However, these products have zero, nadda, 0g of carbs and fat. I used the Synthesize pre-cardio for my pre-contest build-up with great success. Massive amounts of BCAAs, Glutamine and....Hydrolised WPI etc. CHeck the research out here about the use of WPI/ Hydrolised proteins to see effect on muscle growth...kinda contradicts the resistance to protein statement above.

http://www.vpxsports.com/sports-nutriti ... OTGUN-MHF1

References:

http://www.vpxsports.com/news/article-d ... OTGUN-MHF1

The shop in Albany BodyPro gave me some samples of both the products which got me hooked. Ask for "Big D" to see if he'll hook you up too MAybe email hm to make sure he still has some? http://www.bodypro.co.nz

[rose]

I wouldn't write it off

Speaking for myself at least, that wasn't the point

[HumanPerformance]

I

wouldn't write it off - I know who HP is refering too. Remember for a time people thought the world was flat > Scientific paradigms in this sport change very slowly as the topics of most interest to bodybuilders specifically are not generally commercially viable.

Optimass and I have even witnessed (as will others on here in there 30s or older) huge shifts in beliefs in just the time we have been involved in the sport. Remember 15 years ago if you went to a supplement shop the only kind of protein powder you could get was milk and egg based powders (and soy based ones). There was no such thing as Whey protein! It just didnt exist. Whey was a waste product of cheese manufacturing that companies had to pay to get rid of!! Some companies of the day got into trouble because they got caught dumping it into rivers so they didnt have to pay for its removal!

Egg protein was considered the absolute best quality that nature produced. As it had a net utilization of 94% (meaning the body absorbs 94% of it) so it was rounded up to 100 to be given a biological value (BV) of 100.

This was the standard against which all other proteins were measured (chicken 79, fish 70 etc). You couldnt get a better protein no sir, not according to all the supplement companies and nutritionists and bio chemists and everyone!

Then along came one man, Dan Duchaine (his book "Bodyopus" is the best diet book ever written IMO) He was the first to mention that whey had a higher BV than eggs. Whey was tested and low and behold a new star was born! Everyone had been wrong, whey had a BV of 156!! All of a sudden egg and milk powders slowly started to dissapper and a substance that was considered to be worthless became a multi billion dollar money spinner with people willing to pay 80$ a kg for the "special new whey potein".

Even nutritionists (very slowly and reluctantly) are starting to realize that maybe, just maybe, they might have been wrong in advocating that people get the majority of their calories from complex carbohydrates. They are finally starting to redesign the "food pyramid" to have less complex carbs and more good fats and and protein (something us bodybuilders have been advising for over a decade) but of course you wont be hearing the government health organisations of the world saying " sorry about that we got it wrong".

As a side note I should have produced more quantifiable explanations as Rose mentioned earlier, sorry Rose my intention wasnt to try undermine you as I respect your knowledge of nutrition (and intellect in general) greatly, as there have been many questions on nutrition posted and after reading your replys I dont really have anything to add.

[Flex]

VPX has a powerful stimulant product called Shotgun for 30 mins before training, and also a non-stimulant product basically identical in every other way. However, these products have zero, nadda, 0g of carbs and fat. I used the Synthesize pre-cardio for my pre-contest build-up with great success. Massive amounts of BCAAs, Glutamine and....Hydrolised WPI etc. CHeck the research out here about the use of WPI/ Hydrolised proteins to see effect on muscle growth...kinda contradicts the resistance to protein statement above.

The thing that pisses me off abot VPX is that they bang on about how great their new forms of creatine are (COP and CPT) and yet still use Creatine Monohydrate. Why would you use CM if COP AND CPT really were that much better? Honestly, do we really need to use SEVEN different forms of creatine in one product - surely one of them must be better than the other 6.

[rose]

VPX has a powerful stimulant product called Shotgun for 30 mins before training, and also a non-stimulant product basically identical in every other way. However, these products have zero, nadda, 0g of carbs and fat. I used the Synthesize pre-cardio for my pre-contest build-up with great success. Massive amounts of BCAAs, Glutamine and....Hydrolised WPI etc. CHeck the research out here about the use of WPI/ Hydrolised proteins to see effect on muscle growth...kinda contradicts the resistance to protein statement above.

The thing that pisses me off abot VPX is that they bang on about how great their new forms of creatine are (COP and CPT) and yet still use Creatine Monohydrate. Why would you use CM if COP AND CPT really were that much better? Honestly, do we really need to use SEVEN different forms of creatine in one product - surely one of them must be better than the other 6.

I've wondered the same thing about Gaspari SizeOn which wanks on about being the only supplement to have Creatine Gluconate in it and how awesome it is, yet SizeOn also contains Creatine Monohydrate and Creatine Alpha-Keto-Glutarate (both listed before the gluconate so I presume more of). If the Creatine Gluconate is so awesome, why do they need to add monohydrate? Just in case? :pfft:

[luv.me.oats]

All year round

muti vitamin

exec. b

fish oil

glucosamine

ZMA

Tribulus

comp dieting

Add -

BCAA

Glutamine

Milk thistle

Vitamin C

I like Balance and Biotest, Blackmores and Thomsons

Protein is Dymatize, any flavour

[nate225]

All year round

muti vitamin

exec. b

fish oil

glucosamine

ZMA

Tribulus

comp dieting

Add -

BCAA

Glutamine

Milk thistle

Vitamin C

I like Balance and Biotest, Blackmores and Thomsons

Protein is Dymatize, any flavour

What's your reasoning behind the Milk Thistle LMO?

[luv.me.oats]

high protein diet - what's LMO mean?

[Draft]

Luv Me Oats i assume?

[luv.me.oats]

c'mon be kind, all those excessive carbs, mostly sugars are playing havoc with my mind.............. :pfft:

[Draft]

My bad, wasn't taking the piss at all a, sorry if it came out that way :oops:

[luv.me.oats]

nah all good, takes a lot for me to get pissed off - but then again, when dieting different story.

[luv.me.oats]

forgot to add:

l-tyrosine (to elevat moods) when dieting

L-arginine or Nos when training - offseason.

[musclearmor]

Think one point of Creatine Gluconate is that instead of being bound to a salt (like in creatine monohydrate) or an ester, it is instead bound to a useful delivery agent thus creatine is shuttled into muscle and you have some useful glucose to utilise too for additional fuel.

As with the multiple creatine forms, it should improve the chances of achieiving maximum creatine saturation since everyones body chemistry, stomach acid levels, hydration and insulin, PH levels etc are different. Creatien monhydrate as a raw commodity is cheap as chips, hence why it is always biffed in to "round off" the formulas these days.

The Gaspari new "Pre-contest" SizeOn formula looked impressive at the preview at Mr O '09 in Vegas- 0g carbs! Due for release in NZ early next year.

[Flex]

it is instead bound to a useful delivery agent thus creatine is shuttled into muscle and you have some useful glucose to utilise too for additional fuel.

So a gram or two of glucose is useful fuel?

Creatien monhydrate as a raw commodity is cheap as chips, hence why it is always biffed in to "round off" the formulas these days.

Chalk dust is cheap too. The reason they use it is that it is the only form of creatine proven to work. I'd love to see a study done on all these new forms of creatine and yet no one seems to have done anything. There's a few on CEE showing how shit it is but no positive tests have yet to show.