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"Let athletes use drugs" Story on 20/20

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I just saw a short bit of this on 20/20 and tracked down the original from the US 20/20.

Interesting to see a story where some valid questions are raised rather than the same "Drugs Kill" "Drugs are bad" angle. It's one thing to have this in "Bigger, Faster, Stronger", but I was somewhat surprised to see this on a mainstream show like 20/20.

I had a feeling it would be worth watching when I saw John Romano being interviewed.

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I would suggest that this become a "sticky". On some overseas sites you can nominate an important post to become a sticky. ie it always sticks up on the top of the forum for easy reference. thanks Agent for posting that vid. I'm sure it will form the basis of many an argument for the use of steroids in the future.

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Interesting, I didn't realise the interviewer was the same guy that got slapped round the face by Chris Benoit :lol:. I felt it was a pretty shallow report though. It didn't delve into the science involved, mainly focusing on the ethical issues associated with steroid use and the ludicrous hype which I thought most people were aware of anyway... I agree with MNZ about it being a good introductory video though.

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Yes, a good introduction, there's only a small amount of info that can be jammed into 7 minutes though. Nice to be shown a different story to the usual on a big show nonetheless.

I imagine the next step for those who don't know much might be "Bigger, Faster, Stronger", it has some of the same interviewees so will expand on the info from this short piece.

BTW. The wrestler who hit the reporter was "Dr D" after he said he thought wrestling was fake during an interview back in 1984. The WWF paid out $425,000 and fired the wrestler. Just a bit of useless information.

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Yes, a good introduction, there's only a small amount of info that can be jammed into 7 minutes though. Nice to be shown a different story to the usual on a big show nonetheless.

I imagine the next step for those who don't know much might be "Bigger, Faster, Stronger", it has some of the same interviewees so will expand on the info from this short piece.

BTW. The wrestler who hit the reporter was "Dr D" after he said he thought wrestling was fake during an interview back in 1984. The WWF paid out $425,000 and fired the wrestler. Just a bit of useless information.

Goes to show how much I know :pfft:. Yeah I saw the interview, the dude flipped out it was hilarious. I wish you could get payed that sort of money for being slapped in NZ...

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I wouldn't be surprised if he had watched Bigger Stronger Faster....

They both use the same examples, interview the same people and make the same points...

But I'm glad that a more mainstream media outlet has decided to take a more sensible and fair approach on the issue instead of jumping on the ill informed band wagon that the rest of todays media seems to be all too happy to be a part of.

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i agree completely.

but when its involved with sport, as the reporter said "why not leave it to the sport comissioners, why does the government have to get involved?"

because i honestly would be scared to think if it was legal and supported through sport athletes, as the only way to maximise gain and be a top athlete would be to take roids....and personally, thats not what i want to do (and i can imagine many others), but i love my sport and still want to play.

but as a government decision to rule everyone from making their own choices with their own body??!!?! disgusting!!!

same with pot :naughty:

simple minded fucks.

the damage alcohol and tobacco does to individuals in society is phenominal, same with prescription drugs, yet we support these with open arms only because mummy government says "its ok to poison yourself with this stuff here, just dont poison yourself with that stuff there".

freedom of speech, freedom of life, freedom in general??? ?(tui) yea right

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i agree completely.

but when its involved with sport, as the reporter said "why not leave it to the sport comissioners, why does the government have to get involved?"

because i honestly would be scared to think if it was legal and supported through sport athletes, as the only way to maximise gain and be a top athlete would be to take roids....and personally, thats not what i want to do (and i can imagine many others), but i love my sport and still want to play.

but as a government decision to rule everyone from making their own choices with their own body??!!?! disgusting!!!

same with pot :naughty:

simple minded fucks.

the damage alcohol and tobacco does to individuals in society is phenominal, same with prescription drugs, yet we support these with open arms only because mummy government says "its ok to poison yourself with this stuff here, just dont poison yourself with that stuff there".

freedom of speech, freedom of life, freedom in general??? ?(tui) yea right

It's called living in a democracy. There's a lot of people who want to smoke and drink so therefore they can. There are not the same numbers who want to be pot heads or use roids so you can't.

I've got no problem with roids being legalised but not so sure about weed. We have enough stupid people in this country without compounding it.

And don't try and tell me weed doesn't stuff people up, one off my mates has been smoking for over 20 years, if he gets any stupider someone will need to hang with him full time to remind him too breath. Shame as he used to be very sharp.

(sits back and waits for the dope heads to flame away :pfft: )

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i agree completely.

but when its involved with sport, as the reporter said "why not leave it to the sport comissioners, why does the government have to get involved?"

because i honestly would be scared to think if it was legal and supported through sport athletes, as the only way to maximise gain and be a top athlete would be to take roids....and personally, thats not what i want to do (and i can imagine many others), but i love my sport and still want to play.

but as a government decision to rule everyone from making their own choices with their own body??!!?! disgusting!!!

same with pot :naughty:

simple minded fucks.

the damage alcohol and tobacco does to individuals in society is phenominal, same with prescription drugs, yet we support these with open arms only because mummy government says "its ok to poison yourself with this stuff here, just dont poison yourself with that stuff there".

freedom of speech, freedom of life, freedom in general??? ?(tui) yea right

It's called living in a democracy. There's a lot of people who want to smoke and drink so therefore they can. There are not the same numbers who want to be pot heads or use roids so you can't.

I've got no problem with roids being legalised but not so sure about weed. We have enough stupid people in this country without compounding it.

And don't try and tell me weed doesn't stuff people up, one off my mates has been smoking for over 20 years, if he gets any stupider someone will need to hang with him full time to remind him too breath. Shame as he used to be very sharp.

(sits back and waits for the dope heads to flame away :pfft: )

but that can be said about anything, any substance abuse. chronic smokers? chronic alcoholics? chronic steroid abuse?

lol. im not gona flame up. i have a toke once a week on weekends and thats me. keeps me grounded.

its the "each to there own" principal at use here.

for instance, if roids were legal, i still wouldnt take them. just cos its legal doesnt mean you have to go nuts on them.

infact, if anything its quite the opposite. legalisation of anything creates societal controll.

when substances are pushed underground they are uncontrolled.

and i agree, weed can dumb your ass up when used like that. :naughty:

boils down to self discipline

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and i agree, weed can dumb your ass up when used like that. :naughty:

boils down to self discipline

And there lies the problem, there's a lot of people using dope with no self discipline. Personally it doesn't worry me if people want the odd toke at home, its when they can't go without it I get concerned.

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. We have enough stupid people in this country without compounding it.

amen :nod:

for instance, if roids were legal, i still wouldnt take them. just cos its legal doesnt mean you have to go nuts on them.

Thats a good (responsible) point too mate ... not sure public would allow this kind of freedom in our life time. but it would be nice to make our own minds up.

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It's called living in a democracy. There's a lot of people who want to smoke and drink so therefore they can. There are not the same numbers who want to be pot heads or use roids so you can't.

I've got no problem with roids being legalised but not so sure about weed. We have enough stupid people in this country without compounding it.

And don't try and tell me weed doesn't stuff people up, one off my mates has been smoking for over 20 years, if he gets any stupider someone will need to hang with him full time to remind him too breath. Shame as he used to be very sharp.

(sits back and waits for the dope heads to flame away :pfft: )

Sorry but I have to disagree there. The damage that Alcohol, smoking and some other illegal drugs is felt throughout society. The damage that occurs from a direct result of alcohol or smoking financially costs the country millions (if not billions) and plenty of lives.

I agree that smoking weed for 20 years is not good for you - however those people who have drunk alcohol for 20 years or smoking for the same amount of time are very likely to be suffering from their decisions as well.

Not to mention the staggering amount of drunks that cause fights and injuries...you don't hear too many accounts of a stoner causing a fight do ya? (obviously hes either asleep, eating, or watching family guy :pfft: )

Although I don't use roids or weed, I have nothing against those who do. I'm all for legalization. If you legalize it, you can control it.

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It's called living in a democracy. There's a lot of people who want to smoke and drink so therefore they can. There are not the same numbers who want to be pot heads or use roids so you can't.

I've got no problem with roids being legalised but not so sure about weed. We have enough stupid people in this country without compounding it.

And don't try and tell me weed doesn't stuff people up, one off my mates has been smoking for over 20 years, if he gets any stupider someone will need to hang with him full time to remind him too breath. Shame as he used to be very sharp.

(sits back and waits for the dope heads to flame away :pfft: )

Sorry but I have to disagree there. The damage that Alcohol, smoking and some other illegal drugs is felt throughout society. The damage that occurs from a direct result of alcohol or smoking financially costs the country millions (if not billions) and plenty of lives.

I agree that smoking weed for 20 years is not good for you - however those people who have drunk alcohol for 20 years or smoking for the same amount of time are very likely to be suffering from their decisions as well.

Not to mention the staggering amount of drunks that cause fights and injuries...you don't hear too many accounts of a stoner causing a fight do ya? (obviously hes either asleep, eating, or watching family guy :pfft: )

Although I don't use roids or weed, I have nothing against those who do. I'm all for legalization. If you legalize it, you can control it.

Ahhh now I want to get blazed, first thing I'll do when this report is done :nod:

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Good old auck-builder, wondered how long it would take you to chime in :pfft: .

Sorry but I have to disagree there. The damage that Alcohol, smoking and some other illegal drugs is felt throughout society. The damage that occurs from a direct result of alcohol or smoking financially costs the country millions (if not billions) and plenty of lives.

I agree that smoking weed for 20 years is not good for you - however those people who have drunk alcohol for 20 years or smoking for the same amount of time are very likely to be suffering from their decisions as well.

Not to mention the staggering amount of drunks that cause fights and injuries...you don't hear too many accounts of a stoner causing a fight do ya? (obviously hes either asleep, eating, or watching family guy :pfft: )

Although I don't use roids or weed, I have nothing against those who do. I'm all for legalization. If you legalize it, you can control it.

I agree with you 100%. I was pointing out the reason we still can drink and smoke is because they are sooooo popular. I would love to see no smoking here and tighter booze rules, would certainly cut back 80% of my work.

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I'm all for legalization. If you legalize it, you can control it.

You mean like we control alcohol, cigarettes and under age sex? controls are not effective when 10 to 15 year olds are out friday to sunday smashed and finding their way into hospital emergency rooms. And we can point the finger at parents and other social controls but it wont stop accessability.

Government controls normally start with increased levies and taxes > this is why both tobacco and alcohol are never going to become "banned" or "controlled" substances ...

If weed or steroids were mainsteam - and you could easily install infrastructure to milk taxes from those who want to use them -- then you wouldn't have trouble getting it to be legitamized. Weed is grow easily in everyones backyard, closet --- caravan on the back of the section :shifty: .... where as tobacco doesn't do too well over here - so you can add revenue controls :nod:

Not having a dig ... just my opinion :)

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