gear for cutting

[matt.be]

Anyone Tried Albuterol?

Suposedly just as good at getting you shredded as Clen, but without the sides. You have dose it 3 or so times a day though.

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/articles/a ... ulfate.htm

[musclenz]

To Be Honest Musclenz why would you waste the Money on Glen in a Bulking cycle ??? When the purpose of such a Cycle is to add some Bodyfat and Lean Mass ... with the Princible of both being added weight for Strength and greater ressistance thus creating more gains ... come contest time ... I dont see the reasoning behind Glen whilst trying to " BULK UP" as you put it ... SAVE YOUR MONEY BUD !!!

Dharkam theory -

"Is Clen catabolic? Can this actually help us grow?

This may sound even stranger after what I just said but Clen can truly be a catabolic drug, too. At low dosage, it will go unnoticed. But past a certain amount (equivalent of 15-20 tablets of 20 mcg) chances are you are going to get sore by using Clen. Scientific research in humans demonstrates a potent catabolic effect of Clen as reflected by a rise of serum creatine kinase level. This means that Clen is attacking our muscle cells a bit like heavy training does.

Sound bad?

No!

Is it of any use for bodybuilders? Yes!

For "drug free" bodybuilders, it means that you have got to stay away from this high dosage of Clen. On the other hand, for steroid users, it is unfortunately a very interesting property. Ten years ago, I would not have made such a statement. Almost all the anabolic steroids were still available and one could choose the ones that suited him best. Saying that such a choice does not exist anymore would be an understatement. Prices and availability are inversely progressing. Testosterone is again the steroid of choice (because of a lack of choice). The main problem with testosterone is that after a while a user experiences more and more trouble getting sore while on it. Of course, it depends on the dosage and the capacity of the user to transform the male hormone into female hormones (aromatization).

You see, estrogens protect our muscles from damage. This is good in every sport except bodybuilding. Potent anti-aromatase drugs do exist but their prices prohibit their use. Tamoxifen (Nolvadex) will exert an estrogen-like activity on muscle (and fat too) in many people, which is going to reduce their capacity for muscle growth while helping them to get fat.

Why do we want some muscle damage to occur because of training, simply, because our muscle cells are internally able to manufacture very potent growth factors such as IGF, FGF, Prostaglandins and probably GH too, in case of damage. The more steroids one uses, the higher this manufacturing capacity should be. Furthermore, steroids increase the muscle’s sensitivity to the anabolic actions of those growth factors. This is a shame, since most of those growth factors will only be released (and therefore become active) if the muscle membrane experiences some damage. Training acts like a robber who opens the vault where the growth factors are hidden. Because of the estrogens, this beneficial effect of training is attenuated. Clen can act like this robber to unleash the growth factors. How do we manage this?

Once all the growth factors are released, growth will take place, repairing the damage and inducing a hypertrophic response on top of this. On the other hand, the muscle capacities to reproduce extra amounts of growth factors will be impaired for a short while. Steroids will accelerate recovery from this shortage.

But it means that the high doses of Clen have to be used sporadically, I would say about once a week. It has to be coupled with a traumatic workout on a body part where you want to accelerate growth. You also need to rotate those body parts in order to make sure the restoration of the manufacturing capacities in one muscle is complete before triggering a new release. For example, one week you can train your back in a traumatic fashion (using heavy weights along with forced and negative reps in movements that end with a strong stretch). Next week, do the legs. The following week, it can be chest... The pain due to the soreness will be intense but it will be rewarded by rapid growth. Therefore, the catabolic actions of Clen can be used to trigger growth, but only in synergy with steroids. If you follow this procedure, make sure you use massive amounts of proteins and amino acids, especially BCAA and taurine. Clen will accelerate their destruction and you do not want to experience a shortage in either one."

I have run it in a bulk but not at the levels he suggests. It is something I would like to play around with again but ATM got enough "sore" things going on without adding more :grin:

[matt.be]

Anyone Tried Albuterol?

No one? Interested to hear some first hand accounts.

[musclenz]

Anyone Tried Albuterol?

No one? Interested to hear some first hand accounts.

Matt I have not tried it but do know someone who has used it reasonably successfully. I have heard that the sides are somewhat less than Clenbuterol. It is also meant to be more anabolic than clen in that in addition to fat burning & stimulant properties it acts in a way to increase lean muscle mass & strength apparently more so than does clen.

Its been used to treat obesity & helps control cholesterol, specifically LDL (the bad stuff) while at the same time elevating HDL (the good stuff). Be worth a try & I believe the dose is around 3-4mgs 3times daily. Please note Albuterol is dosed in mgs not mcgs like clen.

[mollswan]

i resemble mohammed ali when on clen.it does not like me at all even at low doses

[Outkast]

ive heard of people using clen post cycle but i personally dont know anyone that has.

why dont you just make your next cycle prop & winstrol?

[thatwaslight]

i resemble mohammed ali when on clen.it does not like me at all even at low doses

clen makes you a shaky 6" 3 black man? :?

[mollswan]

yes.they should add that to the side effect list.

[musclenz]

Shakes - yes Clen is primarily a central nervous stimulant so higher doses do the shaky thing or until your body gets accustomed to it, if it ever does

[Optimass]

my mates used to do prop and winny back in the day ... when a 500ml bladder cost you $120 or so. I'd say its pretty harsh on its own and frought with lots of sides. nothing wrong with winny but prefer to use dbols together - IME sharp and hard is the end result.

... no pic of a sheep on the front of this one :pfft:

Have tried clen previously but didn't really rate it next to the old school ECA stack. Used to take a teaspoon of granules (enough for a 200kg horse) and it still wouldn't give me the shakes - so may have been un receptive to it anyway.

[Pete_S]

my mates used to do prop and winny back in the day ... when a 500ml bladder cost you $120 or so. I'd say its pretty harsh on its own and frought with lots of sides. nothing wrong with winny but prefer to use dbols together - IME sharp and hard is the end result.

... no pic of a sheep on the front of this one :pfft:

Have tried clen previously but didn't really rate it next to the old school ECA stack. Used to take a teaspoon of granules (enough for a 200kg horse) and it still wouldn't give me the shakes - so may have been un receptive to it anyway.

Your'e not going to get sharp and hard off dbols optimass - dbol will make you hold water like nothing else (except Anadrol). Save dbol for bulking along with a long acting test and deca. This thread is about gear for cutting which should include test prop, winny and tren acetate.

[musclenz]

Agree with you Pete that orals are best left for bulking except for Halo but knew a guy doing NPC in the States last year did days 3/2/1 pre comp with Drol 150/100/50 + halo 30mg ED, clen Ephedrine t3 etc & weeks 4-1 tren 120mg, masteron 100mg, winny 50mg ED. He was hardcore alright.

[Outkast]

trens not for everybody..

[Pete_S]

Agree with you Pete that orals are best left for bulking except for Halo but knew a guy doing NPC in the States last year did days 3/2/1 pre comp with Drol 150/100/50 + halo 30mg ED, clen Ephedrine t3 etc & weeks 4-1 tren 120mg, masteron 100mg, winny 50mg ED. He was hardcore alright.

Not saying orals are best left for bulking bud - i'm saying just don't use dbol and expect to get sharp and hard - keep it for off season/bulking. Oral winny is also just as good as injectable and a lot of guys prefer this (especially as you are usually looking at every day jabs with prop - saves jab sites and minimises scar tissue). Getting contest ready - yes i'd add masteron, clen, eph, t3 and halo, but just for a general cut (not leading to contest) i'd stick with prop, tren-a, winny.

Keen to give tbol a nudge this year to musclenz, what you think/do you rate? Reasoning is something as a substitute for dbol

[musclenz]

Agree with you Pete that orals are best left for bulking except for Halo but knew a guy doing NPC in the States last year did days 3/2/1 pre comp with Drol 150/100/50 + halo 30mg ED, clen Ephedrine t3 etc & weeks 4-1 tren 120mg, masteron 100mg, winny 50mg ED. He was hardcore alright.

Not saying orals are best left for bulking bud - i'm saying just don't use dbol and expect to get sharp and hard - keep it for off season/bulking. Oral winny is also just as good as injectable and a lot of guys prefer this (especially as you are usually looking at every day jabs with prop - saves jab sites and minimises scar tissue). Getting contest ready - yes i'd add masteron, clen, eph, t3 and halo, but just for a general cut (not leading to contest) i'd stick with prop, tren-a, winny.

Keen to give tbol a nudge this year to musclenz, what you think/do you rate? Reasoning is something as a substitute for dbol

I only ever used it once Pete. Its a relatively mild version of dbol imo. Definately not quite the same water weight & conversion problems. Its often rated about halfway between Var & Dbol. It does have a SHBG reducing component which is handy but from memory it was a pretty mild androgen. Give it a go if you are sure you have good quality stuff & see how you like it.

[Optimass]

Your'e not going to get sharp and hard off dbols optimass - dbol will make you hold water like nothing else (except Anadrol). Save dbol for bulking along with a long acting test and deca. This thread is about gear for cutting which should include test prop, winny and tren acetate.

yeah - not meant in terms of contest prep though, but if you just wanted to maintain full muscle bellies by alternating dbol and winny on fortnightly cycles you'd look good with your shirt off at the beach. (provided you already have a decent base).

I didn't know oral winny was that reliable? > have steered away from it in the past as assumed it was inferior in solid state. And pinning every day is part of the fun.

[Outkast]

I didn't know oral winny was that reliable? > have steered away from it in the past as assumed it was inferior in solid state. And pinning every day is part of the fun.

You call that fun? LOL!

[NZPT]

pinning winstrol is not fun in my opinion haha probably the most painful AAS to inject.

[severe]

Have done Clen at 2 days on, 1 off, for a month. forearm veins were so visible that even when not training, people would comment on them.

A little gross with taste (granulated vet source), and the jitters were harsh the first week, occasional heart speed up, but was happy with results. Training hard, cardio too, no crap food.

It is definitely no OTC weight loss supplement.

[Outkast]

Prop at 150mg eod and Tren Ace at 100mg eod for 8 weeks is good.

Running oral winny at 60mg ed for the last 5 weeks will add some extra wonders