gear for cutting

[danroyd]

hey guys im just finishing up a cycle of test and i wana start cutting up and i was wondering if it was better to use gear while cutting or just stay of it ?

[holdenman]

Very few steroids actually have a direct effect on burning fat. Generally speaking, I think gear is used to maintain lean body mass while doing a cutting cycle more so than anything else.

T3/T4, clen, ephidrene, dnp all used for burning fat but they are not gear as such. But none of this stuff will help one bit if your diet and training is not 100%.

I believe it really is this simple energy in vs energy out. If you have a calorie deficit your going to lose weight.

[thatwaslight]

winny var

[musclenz]

Very few steroids actually have a direct effect on burning fat. Generally speaking, I think gear is used to maintain lean body mass while doing a cutting cycle more so than anything else.

T3/T4, clen, ephidrene, dnp all used for burning fat but they are not gear as such. But none of this stuff will help one bit if your diet and training is not 100%.

I believe it really is this simple energy in vs energy out. If you have a calorie deficit your going to lose weight.

Well said Holdenman. Gear is no panacea to getting lean. Its diet & cardio that does it.

[RAINBOW IFBB PRO]

Alot of your Fast acting Anabolics and Variant Ethers of Testostrone "DO" have a secondary effect on "FAT BURNING" ... This "SIDE EFFECT" is caused by the way of a "Enhanced Metabolic Rate" and "Thermogenis" ... which is primarily why alot of BBing athletes change there "Stacks" in the Lead up to a show !!!

[RAINBOW IFBB PRO]

T3 / T4 Thyroid Enhancement is just 1 way of a synergistic combination of Anabolics - Testosterone and in some cases hgh that bodybuilders use in a "CUTTING STACK" ... I would not reccomend the use of T3 or T4 to any one unless they Knew or had the guidance of someone knowlegable on this subject ... it is very very dangerous to the unexpecting ... use Glenbuterol insted if you dont know what you are doing .

[Mrbig]

T3 / T4 Thyroid Enhancement is just 1 way of a synergistic combination of Anabolics - Testosterone and in some cases hgh that bodybuilders use in a "CUTTING STACK" ... I would not reccomend the use of T3 or T4 to any one unless they Knew or had the guidance of someone knowlegable on this subject ... it is very very dangerous to the unexpecting ... use Glenbuterol insted if you dont know what you are doing .

its Clenbuterol mmmmmmmm

[danroyd]

ok il try find sum so clenbuterol ,how do you usally use it by itself or do you stack it ?

[musclenz]

ok il try find sum so clenbuterol ,how do you usally use it by itself or do you stack it ?

It can be catabolic on muscle unless stacked with gear. It is not a steriod but works with the Beta 2 receptors increasing metabolism while maintaining muscle mass. It is not tolerated by everyone because of the sides, cramps, joint issues & painful workout pumps to name a few, but is an effective drug in a pre comp stack for the reasonably experienced user.

[Mrbig]

if you like shaking all day a burning red face and a 220bpm heartrate then clen is just for you id reccomend sum high intensity cardio and a good diet

[AgentOrange]

Its horrible shit... well thats how i found it, i know others like it.

[RAINBOW IFBB PRO]

Glenbuterol ( hydrachloride ) " Sympathomimetic,s " Bronchopilator . availabel in Powder ( vetinary ) Liquid or Tablet and even Injectabel Owwww ( never tried that with Glen but it sounds Owwww considering its Rapid nature of desired use ) . It should be used in Divded dosages through out the Day ... Morn ... Mid ... Evening ... with the dose range being increased slightly on a daily basis to avoid side effects of Migrains ,gramps,shakes,nausea etc.

Results of Glenbuterol will how ever Deminish due to Receptor Site Down Regulation and maxium effect is usually seen over a 5 - 6 week period ... how ever these results can be spread further if 1 goes to a 2 day on 1 day off cycle after a period of a 14 day "BUILD UP" of Glenbuterol to a Desired Max dose per day.

In Tablet form they usualy are in 20mg dose form and I reccomend 5 mg 3 x per day whilst increasing the dose by 5 mgs once each day ie 5 mg Morn 5 mg Mid 5 mg Eve ( no later than 7 pm or it may effect sleeping patterns ) then 2nd day: 10 mg morn 5 mg eve 5 mg eve then third day 10 mg morn 10 mg Mid 5 mg eve and 3 rd day: 10 mg morn 10 mg Mid 10 mg eve then 4th day: 15 mg Morn 10 mg mid 10 mg eve and so on to you reach 20 mgs MORN,MID and EVE then assess how you are feeling and looking also it pays to tapper Glenbuterol out of your cycle as well the same way you cycled in .

Now the Powder ( vetinary in most cases Ventipulman ) and the Liquid ( foreget Injectable ) is different in Dose but alas that isd enough for today .

[shruglife]

Glenbuterol ( hydrachloride ) " Sympathomimetic,s " Bronchopilator . availabel in Powder ( vetinary ) Liquid or Tablet and even Injectabel Owwww ( never tried that with Glen but it sounds Owwww considering its Rapid nature of desired use ) . It should be used in Divded dosages through out the Day ... Morn ... Mid ... Evening ... with the dose range being increased slightly on a daily basis to avoid side effects of Migrains ,gramps,shakes,nausea etc.

Results of Glenbuterol will how ever Deminish due to Receptor Site Down Regulation and maxium effect is usually seen over a 5 - 6 week period ... how ever these results can be spread further if 1 goes to a 2 day on 1 day off cycle after a period of a 14 day "BUILD UP" of Glenbuterol to a Desired Max dose per day.

In Tablet form they usualy are in 20mg dose form and I reccomend 5 mg 3 x per day whilst increasing the dose by 5 mgs once each day ie 5 mg Morn 5 mg Mid 5 mg Eve ( no later than 7 pm or it may effect sleeping patterns ) then 2nd day: 10 mg morn 5 mg eve 5 mg eve then third day 10 mg morn 10 mg Mid 5 mg eve and 3 rd day: 10 mg morn 10 mg Mid 10 mg eve then 4th day: 15 mg Morn 10 mg mid 10 mg eve and so on to you reach 20 mgs MORN,MID and EVE then assess how you are feeling and looking also it pays to tapper Glenbuterol out of your cycle as well the same way you cycled in .

Now the Powder ( vetinary in most cases Ventipulman ) and the Liquid ( foreget Injectable ) is different in Dose but alas that isd enough for today .

Gotta say, you seem to know your shit Marc (despite the spelling ).

[RAINBOW IFBB PRO]

Fore go my spelling I am Disslexic and for that I am sorry but hey I could be Blind and and welllllll far worse off ahhhh

[Mrbig]

Glenbuterol ( hydrachloride ) " Sympathomimetic,s " Bronchopilator . availabel in Powder ( vetinary ) Liquid or Tablet and even Injectabel Owwww ( never tried that with Glen but it sounds Owwww considering its Rapid nature of desired use ) . It should be used in Divded dosages through out the Day ... Morn ... Mid ... Evening ... with the dose range being increased slightly on a daily basis to avoid side effects of Migrains ,gramps,shakes,nausea etc.

Results of Glenbuterol will how ever Deminish due to Receptor Site Down Regulation and maxium effect is usually seen over a 5 - 6 week period ... how ever these results can be spread further if 1 goes to a 2 day on 1 day off cycle after a period of a 14 day "BUILD UP" of Glenbuterol to a Desired Max dose per day.

In Tablet form they usualy are in 20mg dose form and I reccomend 5 mg 3 x per day whilst increasing the dose by 5 mgs once each day ie 5 mg Morn 5 mg Mid 5 mg Eve ( no later than 7 pm or it may effect sleeping patterns ) then 2nd day: 10 mg morn 5 mg eve 5 mg eve then third day 10 mg morn 10 mg Mid 5 mg eve and 3 rd day: 10 mg morn 10 mg Mid 10 mg eve then 4th day: 15 mg Morn 10 mg mid 10 mg eve and so on to you reach 20 mgs MORN,MID and EVE then assess how you are feeling and looking also it pays to tapper Glenbuterol out of your cycle as well the same way you cycled in .

Now the Powder ( vetinary in most cases Ventipulman ) and the Liquid ( foreget Injectable ) is different in Dose but alas that isd enough for today .

Gotta say, you seem to know your shit Marc (despite the spelling ).

despite the fact that 20mg of clen would kill you almost instantly i think you mean 20mcg tabs is what they generally come in or in liquid it is normally 200mcg per 1ml so you take around .1 of a ml and increase daily until around 120mcg per day you dont really need any more than that but sum guys will take 200mcg a day for weeks on end but I wouldnt reccomend marcs doasges as 20mg=2000mcg which equals DEATH lol but you knew that aye marc

[Specter]

I have done 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off using clen for a little fat loss over a month period.....more a experimentation..but very happy with the results..

[Pete_S]

If we are talking about anabolic androgens then Trenbolone is the only one that is known to burn fat (although any test will help lose fat but will aromotise as well). I prefer the Tren Hex ester but can be hard to come by otherwise enanthate or acetate esters. Combine Tren with catabolic agents and muscle hardening compounds and you have a magic recipe for stage ready - Test/Tren, Clen/T3, Stan/Mast (throw in some Halo late in the piece as well)

[samoan_muscle]

MMmmmm Halo....

[mr natural]

If we are talking about anabolic androgens then Trenbolone is the only one that is known to burn fat (although any test will help lose fat but will aromotise as well). I prefer the Tren Hex ester but can be hard to come by otherwise enanthate or acetate esters. Combine Tren with catabolic agents and muscle hardening compounds and you have a magic recipe for stage ready - Test/Tren, Clen/T3, Stan/Mast (throw in some Halo late in the piece as well)

not forgetting some anti aromotising agent as well :nod:

[danroyd]

thanx 4 all ya help i think il jst go 4 sumthing simple like hydroxy cut ,sum cardio an a good diet lol , is hydroxy the best fat burner out ther or is there better or are they all not worth worring about? last time i tried cutting up i diddnt rely have much luck but ive put alot mre muscle on now so im hopeing that will help

[musclenz]

Glenbuterol ( hydrachloride ) " Sympathomimetic,s " Bronchopilator . availabel in Powder ( vetinary ) Liquid or Tablet and even Injectabel Owwww ( never tried that with Glen but it sounds Owwww considering its Rapid nature of desired use ) . It should be used in Divded dosages through out the Day ... Morn ... Mid ... Evening ... with the dose range being increased slightly on a daily basis to avoid side effects of Migrains ,gramps,shakes,nausea etc.

Results of Glenbuterol will how ever Deminish due to Receptor Site Down Regulation and maxium effect is usually seen over a 5 - 6 week period ... how ever these results can be spread further if 1 goes to a 2 day on 1 day off cycle after a period of a 14 day "BUILD UP" of Glenbuterol to a Desired Max dose per day.

In Tablet form they usualy are in 20mg dose form and I reccomend 5 mg 3 x per day whilst increasing the dose by 5 mgs once each day ie 5 mg Morn 5 mg Mid 5 mg Eve ( no later than 7 pm or it may effect sleeping patterns ) then 2nd day: 10 mg morn 5 mg eve 5 mg eve then third day 10 mg morn 10 mg Mid 5 mg eve and 3 rd day: 10 mg morn 10 mg Mid 10 mg eve then 4th day: 15 mg Morn 10 mg mid 10 mg eve and so on to you reach 20 mgs MORN,MID and EVE then assess how you are feeling and looking also it pays to tapper Glenbuterol out of your cycle as well the same way you cycled in .

Now the Powder ( vetinary in most cases Ventipulman ) and the Liquid ( foreget Injectable ) is different in Dose but alas that isd enough for today .

Gotta say, you seem to know your shit Marc (despite the spelling ).

despite the fact that 20mg of clen would kill you almost instantly i think you mean 20mcg tabs is what they generally come in or in liquid it is normally 200mcg per 1ml so you take around .1 of a ml and increase daily until around 120mcg per day you dont really need any more than that but sum guys will take 200mcg a day for weeks on end but I wouldnt reccomend marcs doasges as 20mg=2000mcg which equals DEATH lol but you knew that aye marc

I hope so too :?

[RAINBOW IFBB PRO]

Yeo TYPO my bad 20mcg,s Sorry missed the "C" SORRY dammmm that was close lucky no one makes 20 mg Tabs ahhh

[musclenz]

Agree that 120mcg seems to be the sweet spot for most people. I have started at 60 mcg & worked up in 20mcg incriments each day. I have not used Marc's daily dosing regime. Looks a bit to "hard" for me. Run 2 weeks on 1 week off but its a long time since I done it. Do you know that clen can be used in a bulking cycle as well. Think it was Darkam that wrote on its possible merits in this respect. Prob got a link somewhere if anyone interested. Dont forget your Taurine & BCAAs if using Clen as it eats these up real bad.

[RAINBOW IFBB PRO]

To Be Honest Musclenz why would you waste the Money on Glen in a Bulking cycle ??? When the purpose of such a Cycle is to add some Bodyfat and Lean Mass ... with the Princible of both being added weight for Strength and greater ressistance thus creating more gains ... come contest time ... I dont see the reasoning behind Glen whilst trying to " BULK UP" as you put it ... SAVE YOUR MONEY BUD !!!

[RAINBOW IFBB PRO]

Also whilst uesing Glen " Glutamine" supplementation is Vital: Glutamine is an essential amino acid from the L- formed Aminos that makes up 60% of our intra-muscular pool .It is the most abundent amino acid in our body and is essential for many functions that occur in our body-thus makeing it a VITAL and important supplement that should be taken SERIOUSLY as it is thus the MOST DESTROYED AMINO through our workouts and must be replenished because of it VITAL roles in the Body and one of those VITAL Roles is ( If we combine all the roles together ) GROWTH .