Splitting up Legs?

[Palmer]

Hey, just wondered who splits up legs into 2 days? Hams, then a few days later Quads?

Just started doing this and reckon i hit them harder this way! Hams yesterday and today i cant walk

[shruglife]

Hey, just wondered who splits up legs into 2 days? Hams, then a few days later Quads?

Just started doing this and reckon i hit them harder this way! Hams yesterday and today i cant walk

Yep, if you want big legs it's the way to go.

[startinfromscratch]

yep, i do quads calves on mondays, and hammys lower back on fridays. works well imo

[Luigi]

yes i split legs up it has increased there power by 225%

[Gym rat]

I also split legs as well by doing quads on Monday and Hamstrings and calfs on Wednesday

[boostinggtir]

yes i split legs up it has increased there power by 225%

Dam, with those type of improvements I'd think you'd be taking cell tech.

[xen]

Well this is one of the more ridiculous concepts I've come across on this forum. Better results will come from working your legs as a single unit. Just Squat and Deadlift and throw some calf work in if you really need it. If your hamstrings are weak do Romanian Deadlifts or use the Leg Press. Your legs will be larger/stronger for it and naturally balanced in terms of aesthetics, strength and flexibility.

[shruglife]

Well this is one of the more ridiculous concepts I've come across on this forum. Better results will come from working your legs as a single unit. Just Squat and Deadlift and throw some calf work in if you really need it. If your hamstrings are weak do Romanian Deadlifts or use the Leg Press. Your legs will be larger/stronger for it and naturally balanced in terms of aesthetics, strength and flexibility.

:roll: I don't mind you expressing your opinion xen but please don't preach as if your word is law when your a novice lifter. As you gain knowledge and experience you may regret things you said in previous threads...

As an aside, would you mind telling me your stats? BW, Height, Squat, DL, Bench? You don't have to if you don't want to I'm just interested.

[Specter]

Well this is one of the more ridiculous concepts I've come across on this forum. Better results will come from working your legs as a single unit. Just Squat and Deadlift and throw some calf work in if you really need it. If your hamstrings are weak do Romanian Deadlifts or use the Leg Press. Your legs will be larger/stronger for it and naturally balanced in terms of aesthetics, strength and flexibility.

:clap: hmmmm..good advice-NOT! :roll:

[vracula]

yes i split legs up it has increased there power by 225%

LOL i see your using a lot of muscletech supplements!

[michaelk]

I also split legs as well by doing quads on Monday and Hamstrings and calfs on Wednesday

Me too, although I do Quads and Heavy calves day together.

[xen]

5'11" - 6'. Mesomorph. 105kg (10% bodyfat?, not exactly sure on this at the moment, I'm a little short of having abs ). Single, uncut

For 4-5 reps: BP = 85kg, SQ = 115 (A2G), DL same as squat but I know I could pull more. I have no idea what my 1 RMs are.

I'm just getting back into lifting after years of Kung Fu (i.e. bodyweight strength training) and I wouldn't judge the quality of my knowledge against what I can lift. My background is more telling. I went part way through a medical degree, but decided being around sick folk all day wasn't for me. However, I have a good grounding in physiology and have always studied how the human body works. The advice I give has a signifcant literature around it, the routines you advocate don't, unless you include bodybuilding mags...

[Specter]

trial and error..if spiliting your leg workouts works for you and you see results, then keep going. I split my leg training into quads one day and hams and calfs the following day...

[shruglife]

5'11" - 6'. Mesomorph. 105kg (10% bodyfat?, not exactly sure on this at the moment, I'm a little short of having abs ). Single, uncut

For 4-5 reps: BP = 85kg, SQ = 115 (A2G), DL same as squat but I know I could pull more. I have no idea what my 1 RMs are.

I'm just getting back into lifting after years of Kung Fu (i.e. bodyweight strength training) and I wouldn't judge the quality of my knowledge against what I can lift. My background is more telling. I went part way through a medical degree, but decided being around sick folk all day wasn't for me. However, I have a good grounding in physiology and have always studied how the human body works. The advice I give has a signifcant literature around it, the routines you advocate don't, unless you include bodybuilding mags...

I've never read a bodybuilding mag. My advice is based around common sense, research I've done and advice given to me by top level lifters who have knowledge based on experience not just theory. Again if your training between 4-5 reps your training primarily for strength not size. Your advice of Deadlifting and Squating on the same day for optimum Leg development is rediculous. Devoting a workout to Quads and a workout to Hamstrings will yield better results for overall leg development. This principal of breaking up bodyparts and training them separately has proved to be the most effective method of gaining mass for Professional Bodybuilders since the beginning of the sport and having a guy who did part of a medical degree and has just started Ripptoes Beginner Training Program, preaching that it is the best thing you can do to get big, is incredibly frustrating :?

I'm not trying to convert you, I only reacted after you stated everyone elses opinion was rediculous :roll:

[xen]

trial and error..if spiliting your leg workouts works for you and you see results, then keep going. I split my leg training into quads one day and hams and calfs the following day...

Yeh agreed. I think if anything I was just trying to represent the fact that there are other schools of thought.

[xen]

I'm not doing Rip's programme, I just thought since the guy was starting out he'd benefit from it, as countless others have. If I'm following any programme it's called Dinosaur Training, but it's not a programme as such, google it if interested.

The fact that your opinion is based on what the Pro's do is the foolish part. They take huge amounts of drugs and that covers over potential gaps in lifting/nutritional knowledge and that's a luxury natural and especially beginner lifters don't have. Hell they build muscle, while on starvation diets, training with volumes that would quite literally kill you through induced Rhabdo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhabdomyolysis). Like I've said before, high-volume split routines first came about out of the bodybuilding drug culture of 50's and 60's America. Before then all great lifters trained the whole body in a holistic way. The current philosophy may work for natural athletes, but it is not the only way, and there is much evidence to suggest it is suboptimal.

Regardless you'll never ever be convinced, I've noticed that several other people have tried unsuccessfully in other posts, so there's no point in arguing. Suffice it to say, if it works for you then great. But I reserve the right to call it 'ridiculous'.

Finally, I suggest your good advice applies equally to yourself: 'don't preach as if your word is law when your (sic) a novice lifter. As you gain knowledge and experience you may regret things you said in previous threads.'

[shruglife]

I'm not doing Rip's programme, I just thought since the guy was starting out he'd benefit from it, as countless others have. If I'm following any programme it's called Dinosaur Training, but it's not a programme as such, google it if interested.

Dinosaur Training: "Dinosaur training positions itself in opposition to aerobics exercise culture and to bodybuilding and other training methods geared towards cosmetic purposes." - This supports my argument... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaur_Training)

Hell they build muscle, while on starvation diets, training with volumes that would quite literally kill you through induced Rhabdo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhabdomyolysis).

Rhabdomyolysis: "Excessive muscle strain or activity: extreme physical exercise (particularly when poorly hydrated)." Volume training actually inhibits your ability to overload/strain the muscles as you would if you were doing heavy, low rep lifts which also conflicts with your theory...

Regardless you'll never ever be convinced, I've noticed that several other people have tried unsuccessfully in other posts

No one I have talked to advocates your method of training for muscle growth so I'm not sure what post you are referring to?

Finally, I suggest your good advice applies equally to yourself: 'don't preach as if your word is law when your (sic) a novice lifter. As you gain knowledge and experience you may regret things you said in previous threads.'

I didn't preach, I gave an opinion while avoiding calling everyone a moron:

Well this is one of the more ridiculous concepts I've come across on this forum. Better results will come from working your legs as a single unit. Just Squat and Deadlift and throw some calf work in if you really need it. If your hamstrings are weak do Romanian Deadlifts or use the Leg Press. Your legs will be larger/stronger for it and naturally balanced in terms of aesthetics, strength and flexibility.

I really am tired of debating this. You are totally free to make your own decisions when it comes to your personal training. There is an issue however with you telling other people that the advice they are being given by other members is rediculous and that you are right when many would strongly disagree.

I realise you will somehow come up with another rebuttal to what I just said but I'm not going to respond this time. I have said what needed to be said and you can defend your point of view but this debate is going nowhere fast and I need to get back to studying for my exam.

Mars

[Growing Concern]

I too do split legs up, I have tried doing them together but am simply just too exhausted after quads to give the attention to hams that they deserve. works for me as I always find myself going back to splitting legs.

[Palmer]

Xen you assume im just starting out because im new to this site! I was just asking a question as to what others do!

Ive done legs as a single unit, based generally on squats and deadlifts for sometime, and got upto 150 squat, and 200 deads (around 6reps), i found i improved leg mass and thickness but not definition. I also hit a plateau somewhat and my goals have changed!

Anyway, at the moment i want to hit legs hard and im going to dedicate a session to quads and a session to hams, time will tell if its succesful!

[xen]

OK guys read this and tell me I'm still wrong. Science says full body workouts are objectively better than body-part split workouts. It's not a matter of opinion, it's the way our bodies work...

http://www.menshealth.com/cda/article.d ... ___&page=1

[xen]

Yeh Palmer, I assumed that only because you hadn't tried the hams/quad split before, which judging by all the responses is unusual haha. Good to see you had good results from full leg training.

Anyway I stick by the principle I was trying to communicate. Training the legs as a whole will give you better growth in the long run. As for better definition, I would have assumed a cutting phase would achieve this? If you've plateaued perhaps you should vary your rep scheme. On both points see the article linked above.

Good luck with the split, sorry to hijack your thread

[xen]

As an aside: 'Volume training actually inhibits your ability to overload/strain the muscles as you would if you were doing heavy, low rep lifts which also conflicts with your theory.'

Volume training is worse. People have died/been hospitalised from Rhabdo doing Crossfit workouts and they do higher volumes. Certainly they could never be said to be in the heavy lifting category. Go look at the Rhabdo warning on their site. To my knowledge no one has died of this powerlifting...

[Specter]

OK guys read this and tell me I'm still wrong. Science says full body workouts are objectively better than body-part split workouts. It's not a matter of opinion, it's the way our bodies work...

http://www.menshealth.com/cda/article.d ... ___&page=1

Without bodybuilding...your so called science would never have reached as far without it...WHO CARES> go back to preaching Kung Fu... :roll:

[Mike Zero]

I split up legs. Very necessary to get enough volume in. No way am I going to have a good workout for quads & hams in one.

[Mike Zero]

To my knowledge no one has died of this powerlifting...

There's a difference to what you read in some phony study and what's tried and true, mate. I'm not going to avoid high volume because someone says it's deadly. As I said above I split up legs and I also do 25 sets for each/workout. And I am a powerlifter and I deadlift in the 300's raw.