IFBB New Zealand Elite 2009

[AllenNZ]

IFBB New Zealand Elite

5th September 2009

Auckland Girls Grammar

Howe Street

Freemans Bay

Please find the list of Classes as listed below.

The Registration & Weighing in plus Height check for Figure & Fitness will be on Friday 4th at the

Quality Inn - 465 Great North Road, Grey Lynn..

The Prejudging will start at 9.00am with the Finals at 5.00pm

Poster will be out soon so check updated details there and on this site.

The Classes will be consists as follow:

MEN'S BODYBUILDING:

The Top 3 of the following classes will qualify to compete at the Elite for prize money

Junior Men 21years or under

Masters Men over 40 years to 50

Masters Men over 50 years plus

Novice Men under 80 kgs

Novice Men over 80 kgs

The Top 5 of the following classes will qualify to compete at the Elite for prize money

Open Men under 70 kilos.

Open Men under 80kgs

Open Men under 90kgs

Open Men under 100kgs

Open Men Over 100kgs

WOMEN'S BODYBUILDING:

The Top 3 of the following classes qualify to compete at the Elite for prize money.

Masters women Over 35 years to 45 years .

Masters woman Over 45 plus years .

Novice women Under 55 kilos

Novice woman Over 55 kilos.

The Top 5 of the following classes qualify to compete at the Elite for prize money.

Open women Under 55 kilos.

Open Woman Over 55 kilos.

FIGURE GIRLS:

The Top 3 of the following classes qualify to compete at the Elite for prize money

Senior women over 35 years to 45.

Senior Woman Over 45 and upwards

Novice Woman Short under 1.64 meters

Novice Woman Tall over 1.64 meters.

The Top 5 of the following classes qualify to compete at the Elite for prize money

Open Woman Short (height as above).

Open Woman Tall ( height as above)

WOMEN'S FITNESS ( AEROBIC): (NOT ELIGIBLE FOR THE ELITE CLASS)

One Open Class. No restrictions with age, weight or height.

WOMEN'S CAT WALK MODEL CLASS:(NOT ELIGIBLE FOR THE ELITE CLASS)

One Open Class. No restrictions with age, weight or height.

* Competitors will compete in a two-piece suit. The bottom of the suit must be v-shaped. No G-STRINGS are permitted. Competitors can compete in an off the rack suit HOWEVER all swimsuits must be in good taste and will be approved at the registration. The competitors may be tanned but not dreamtanned.. Excessive or over the top grooming is not recommended for this class.

* Competitors must wear high heels.

* Competitors may wear jewelry.

COMPETITION JUDGING

Presentation

* Competitors will walk onstage alone and perform their Model Walk (personal preference)

* The Model Walk consists of the following:

Walk to the center of the stage, stop and do a front stance then a full turn and do a rear stance then turn to the front again in front of the judges and then proceed to the side of the stage.

Comparison Round, Two-Piece Swimsuit

* Competitors will be judged wearing a two-piece swimsuit and heels.

* The competitors will be brought out in a group and directed to do a full front and rear stance.

* Judges will have the opportunity to compare competitors against each other in half turns. (No side judging permitted, front and back only.)

* Judges will be scoring competitors on the following items:

o Balance and Shape

o Overall physical appearance including complexion, skin tone, poise and overall presentation.

[Nane']

What constitutes a Novice for this show?

Someone who has never formerly competed in a bodybuilding competition or one who hasnt competed in a NZFBB show?

[1day]

What constitutes a Novice?

Someone who has never formerly competed in a bodybuilding competition or one who hasnt competed in a NZFBB show?

ive been told you may remain in novice class untill u take a first place if u like?!

[John_Stamos]

Really 1day? That is so sending the wrong message.

[Optimass]

What constitutes a Novice?

Someone who has never formerly competed in a bodybuilding competition or one who hasnt competed in a NZFBB show?

ive been told you may remain in novice class untill u take a first place if u like?!

This is lame - those that contiually turn up in the novice division year on year should face a suspension of somekind - Novice is novice. 1st year of competition whether you place or not, after that, let some of the new blood experience some recognition.

[Darwinstef]

1st year of competition whether you place or not, after that, let some of the new blood experience some recognition.

I agree. I may be wrong (chances are good) but I was under the impression if you placed in the top 3 in your class at a comp the next year you must go open (this is for NABBA)...or it could have been top 3 at the nationals....can anyone clarify the novice rules??

[Optimass]

1st year of competition whether you place or not, after that, let some of the new blood experience some recognition.

I agree. I may be wrong (chances are good) but I was under the impression if you placed in the top 3 in your class at a comp the next year you must go open (this is for NABBA)...or it could have been top 3 at the nationals....can anyone clarify the novice rules??

In NABBA I think you are right - place in top 3 at any show. But I remember being told that NZFBB was first year regardless. (Not on the web site in the rules :roll: )

[Nane']

No, in nabba the definition of a novice is someone that hasnt won his/her class (i.e. 1st place) at a regional show or hasn't placed in the top 3 in his/her class at the nationals.

So if youve won your class at a regional or come in the top 3 at the nationals youre open.

[Optimass]

No, in nabba the definition of a novice is someone that hasnt won his/her class (i.e. 1st place) at a regional show or hasn't placed in the top 3 in his/her class at the nationals.

So if youve won your class at a regional or come in the top 3 at the nationals youre open.

Cool .. thanks . . . You can still voluntarily go Open at any time though?

[Darwinstef]

No, in nabba the definition of a novice is someone that hasnt won his/her class (i.e. 1st place) at a regional show or hasn't placed in the top 3 in his/her class at the nationals.

So if youve won your class at a regional or come in the top 3 at the nationals youre open.

As a loophole though.....the "class" has to have three competitiors to be considered valid? So if you compete at Nats and there is only two of you and you win then what? If you wanted to could you still go novice? Seems a bit queer to me

[MasterTel]

The NZFBB definition of Novice status is someone who has:

a) not won a Novice or Masters/Senior title in a previous year (i.e. up to and including Nationals that year but before the regular post-Nationals event which is a qualifier for the following year) at either a regional event or Nationals, and

b) has not competed previously in an Open class. Note that a competitor can choose to compete in an Open class at any time, but once they do they cannot go back to being a Novice.

Note that a year or so ago the rule changed so that those who place 2nd or 3rd in a Novice or Masters/Senior class can stay a Novice rather than "lose" their Novice status. As stated above, they can compete in the Open class if they want to, but it is not compulsory.

Competitors who win a Novice class can continue to compete and win as many Novice titles up to and including Nationals before losing their Novice status. This is to prevent these competitors being forced to go Open if they want to do several shows in one year i.e. not sit at wait to do Nationals after their first Novice win.

Please note that the NZFBB rule will probably apply to this IFBB event, but it may not. If in doubt, I recommend you check with the event organiser (Mark Stewart).

[Nane']

No, in nabba the definition of a novice is someone that hasnt won his/her class (i.e. 1st place) at a regional show or hasn't placed in the top 3 in his/her class at the nationals.

So if youve won your class at a regional or come in the top 3 at the nationals youre open.

Cool .. thanks . . . You can still voluntarily go Open at any time though?

Yes i believe you can.

[Nane']

No, in nabba the definition of a novice is someone that hasnt won his/her class (i.e. 1st place) at a regional show or hasn't placed in the top 3 in his/her class at the nationals.

So if youve won your class at a regional or come in the top 3 at the nationals youre open.

As a loophole though.....the "class" has to have three competitiors to be considered valid? So if you compete at Nats and there is only two of you and you win then what? If you wanted to could you still go novice? Seems a bit queer to me

Hmmm not too sure on this one. Anyone else?

Don't classes get combined if there are only two competitors?

[MasterTel]

No, in nabba the definition of a novice is someone that hasnt won his/her class (i.e. 1st place) at a regional show or hasn't placed in the top 3 in his/her class at the nationals.

So if youve won your class at a regional or come in the top 3 at the nationals youre open.

As a loophole though.....the "class" has to have three competitiors to be considered valid? So if you compete at Nats and there is only two of you and you win then what? If you wanted to could you still go novice? Seems a bit queer to me

Hmmm not too sure on this one. Anyone else?

Don't classes get combined if there are only two competitors?

A few people are quoting NABBA qualification which is a bit confusing and not relevant to this event.

With the NZFBB it does not matter how many competitors register for a class - if there is one then that person wins the class. The only time classes get combined is at pre-judging to ensure that at least two competitors are on stage e.g. one Teenage competitor and two Juniors - both classes are judged separately, but the competitors will be lined up together.

[Darwinstef]

A few people are quoting NABBA qualification which is a bit confusing and not relevant to this event.

Apologies, didn't mean to hijack the thread but I was curious regarding the NABBA version of the rules as well I like Optimass's idea of one year competing novice then open after that.

Ps. Am I the only one who finds the wrong time on this site a tad annoying?

[Nane']

A few people are quoting NABBA qualification which is a bit confusing and not relevant to this event.

Apologies, didn't mean to hijack the thread but I was curious regarding the NABBA version of the rules as well I like Optimass's idea of one year competing novice then open after that.

Ps. Am I the only one who finds the wrong time on this site a tad annoying?

Whilst not relevant - good to clear it up anyway.

You need to change your time settings to correct the time.

[Darwinstef]

Cheers, would never have looked there , sorted now.

[MasterTel]

It's been pointed out to me this evening that the official rules document on the NZFBB website is out-of-date and has at least a couple of errors.

It is just over 3 years old and will need to be modified. I am fairly certain that my earlier definition, while worded a bit differently, is correct. There seem to be two significant errors:

1. That finishing 2nd or 3rd at a regional event in a previous year means you lose your Novice status in a subsequent year. I've always regarded this to only apply to those who win a Novice or Masters/Senior title at a regional event.

2. Finishing 2nd or 3rd at a Nationals also causes the loss of Novice status - I'm confident this was changed within the last 1-2 years so that, like the rule above, only the winner at a Nationals Novice or Masters/Senior class loses their Novice status.

I have just brought this to the attention of the NZFBB President and Convenor of Judges, so we can try and clarify this asap. It is also a good opportunity to check the rest of the Rules document to ensure it is correct and consistent.

[Pseudonym]

Thanks for posting this, Allen.

If you add the event to our Calendar, a countdown will appear on our front page closer to the time.

[superman]

does anybody know about how much prize money is worth for the first place winners?

[musclechamp]

Does anyone know how the categories in this show works?

It seems a bit different than the usual shows as there are not athletic or classic categories for men. Men who normally compete in these categories (as opposed to the physique classes) are likely to compete in which category under the IFBB categories?

[Optimass]

I think you refer to the "Mr Fitness Model" Class may be?

[AllenNZ]

By the looks there is no class for it and one thing you all need to remember is that it's not run by the NZFBB it is a IFBB NZ ELITE and on there letter head it's Affiliated with the IFBB and IFBB & NPC Australia.

What I don't understand is they are not affiliated with the NZFBB but you can still do the NZFBB Nationals and on there event registration & entry form it has IFBB/NZFBB Member $50-00 and New Member $100-00

I would like the promoter Mark Stewart to get out there and give us bodybuilders up dates on this event ( like get on this forum )

Also can some one from the NZFBB clear up with this qualifying for the NZFBB Nationals

[Outlaw53]

I must be honest, I hadn't really paid much attention to this thread, but as there has been a bit of talk here in Aust about this show I thought I better take a look.

I noticed most of this thread is more about what constitutes being a Novice.

Who cares really, each federation will have their own criteria, whatever it is then thats it.

My main concern is what constitutes an Elite competitor?

After all, it's an Elite show.

It says that Top 3 or Top 5 can qualify for the Elite class.

My question is this: Since when has coming 5th in a contest ever been considered to be Elite?

If each class was loaded with enough competitors to fill out Top 5 in every class, then for the Men's Elite class alone, this would mean that 40 competitors would qualify?

How is this Elite?

Is this correct or have I misinterpreted the whole thing.

My apologies if I have.

[musclechamp]

I agree that this show is confusing as it's official name is "IFBB New Zealand Elite Bodybuilding Championships" - so it's held by the IFBB but it's a NZ show. But I don't know if this is likely to have a material effect on the show itself, except for the implications it may have to qualify for the NZ National show and other international events held by IFBB.

I'm still not sure whether the categories for men are open only to physique competitors. Regional and National NZFBB shows have a "classic" category that's height to weight ratio, which the NABBA Federation calls the "athletic category". So does this mean that everyone who competes in a male novice or open category will have to fall into the physique class?