what do u class as a natural bb? NEW POLL!!

[beast88]

What are dueretic?

[Specter]

What are dueretic?

GOOGLE GODDESS SAYS=Agents that increase the flow of urine from the kidneys and so excrete excess fluid from the body. :shock:

Get rid of all dat nasty az water retention...

[auck_builder]

so when using a diretic what is important in your diet ?

[nzmusclemonster]

This is what can happen if you mess up when taking diuretics.....

[Optimass]

I take protein powders and fat burners like most people, its a hard line to draw but anything on the banned substance list (http://www.wnbf.net/downloads/2009-WNBF ... s-List.pdf) is a good place to start..

O.k - in that case when the FDA and other sporting bodies finally ban Creatine - that would automatically class a significant population of bbuilders and sports people as non-natural, based on this stance.

By 1975, steroids were added to the Olympics' list of banned substances. In 1988 trafficking in steroids became illegal, and in 1990 the Drug Enforcement Agency, the Department of Health and Human Services and the Food and Drug Administration, steroids were made into a Schedule III controlled substance.

So in 1975 all athletes then became un-natural and should have given up competition altogether because the natural athletes were never given the opportunity?

Why are you no longer natural after you stop? I guarantee I am not getting any advantage over another athlete currently not on the gear. My test levels are comparable to a natty (probably lower). I only use whey protein to supplement my food and a multi at the moment as I can't eat any fruit on a keto plan.

Athletes using creatine and Nos have an unfair advantage over me when training. May be there needs to be another classification i.e "organic" - no supplement enhancement ever.

(steriods used as example - I know Duiretics used as example in thread - )

[Optimass]

so when using a diretic what is important in your diet ?

Water - lots of it .... :pfft: (push the wrong button on the mod HUD)

[Optimass]

What are dueretic?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furosemide

FYI - I only quoted wikipedia cause Bazza did it first :oops:

[Grego]

If you can't buy it off the shelf, it's not natural.

I'll stand by my comment from another post however - Each to their own.

I'll still give ya a go on stage :pfft:

Grego

[Hennie]

I take protein powders and fat burners like most people, its a hard line to draw but anything on the banned substance list (http://www.wnbf.net/downloads/2009-WNBF ... s-List.pdf) is a good place to start.

Some are just obvious

Don't know what you took but if it is classed as a diuretic and not injected into you ass on a daily basis or given to you by some dodge "mens clinic", you are probably fine.

There goes Novedex XT.....even though it is OTC

[trainharder]

I take protein powders and fat burners like most people, its a hard line to draw but anything on the banned substance list (http://www.wnbf.net/downloads/2009-WNBF ... s-List.pdf) is a good place to start..

O.k - in that case when the FDA and other sporting bodies finally ban Creatine - that would automatically class a significant population of bbuilders and sports people as non-natural, based on this stance.

By 1975, steroids were added to the Olympics' list of banned substances. In 1988 trafficking in steroids became illegal, and in 1990 the Drug Enforcement Agency, the Department of Health and Human Services and the Food and Drug Administration, steroids were made into a Schedule III controlled substance.

So in 1975 all athletes then became un-natural and should have given up competition altogether because the natural athletes were never given the opportunity?

Why are you no longer natural after you stop? I guarantee I am not getting any advantage over another athlete currently not on the gear. My test levels are comparable to a natty (probably lower). I only use whey protein to supplement my food and a multi at the moment as I can't eat any fruit on a keto plan.

Athletes using creatine and Nos have an unfair advantage over me when training. May be there needs to be another classification i.e "organic" - no supplement enhancement ever.

(steriods used as example - I know Duiretics used as example in thread - )

i agree with your last comment optimass

many people are saying they are natural when how do you detremine this

is it when you have the illegal substances out of your system and pass a test or is it a few years down the track or is it never.

if you say you are natural its not fair to have taken substances in the past as again how much would be classed as legitimate useage.

1-nothing ever has been taken

2-only a small cycle

3-or juiced to the maximum on everything you lay your hands on

some people are competing in nat comps that have taken so much in the past and just because they pass a test now they say they are natural

some supps not only will increase muscle fibre size but will actually increase number of muscle fibres which will have a advantage pretty much forever

and yes after a cycle i agree your natural test levels drop and in some cases dont recover to the same levels as pre supplementation.

so after a cycle or 2 you may not have an advantage any more over someone currently clean but you still may benefit from an increase in size and strength depending on how well the cycles were and what was taken.

[IronHyde]

I am rather new to all this. But i would have assumed that a natural bodybuilder is somebody who doesn't inject anything into there bloodstream. I feel anything off the shelf is all good as it's an even playing field, everybody has access to it and you have to be fairly consistent in using it all the time for it to have any significant effect. Where as the likes of steroids is somewhat instant, as in you don't have to load or take it several times everyday to get minimal gains from it.

[auck_builder]

I am rather new to all this. But i would have assumed that a natural bodybuilder is somebody who doesn't inject anything into there bloodstream. I feel anything off the shelf is all good as it's an even playing field, everybody has access to it and you have to be fairly consistent in using it all the time for it to have any significant effect. Where as the likes of steroids is somewhat instant, as in you don't have to load or take it several times everyday to get minimal gains from it.

lol who is using the heroin

[IronHyde]

I am rather new to all this. But i would have assumed that a natural bodybuilder is somebody who doesn't inject anything into there bloodstream. I feel anything off the shelf is all good as it's an even playing field, everybody has access to it and you have to be fairly consistent in using it all the time for it to have any significant effect. Where as the likes of steroids is somewhat instant, as in you don't have to load or take it several times everyday to get minimal gains from it.

lol who is using the heroin

I'm sure you get what i mean.

[AlBundy]

We do it's just that anyone who injects a steroid based compound intravenously has failed at using steroids.

My opinion on natural pertains more to the effects a substance has on the body. Anything that increases certain metabolic processes to the extent it has a profound effect on muscle gain or fat loss is unnatural. Such as t3 for fat loss, diuretics for contest prep or steroids for maintaining or building muscle.

[auck_builder]

I am rather new to all this. But i would have assumed that a natural bodybuilder is somebody who doesn't inject anything into there bloodstream. I feel anything off the shelf is all good as it's an even playing field, everybody has access to it and you have to be fairly consistent in using it all the time for it to have any significant effect. Where as the likes of steroids is somewhat instant, as in you don't have to load or take it several times everyday to get minimal gains from it.

lol who is using the heroin

I'm sure you get what i mean.

haha yea man

[1day]

wow, fairly even results in the polls. but reguardless, i am stil firm on believing ''even though i took a dodgee duiretic for 1 show'' ,that im still classed as a 'natural bodybuilder'. :roll:

[Monopoly Man]

Who are you trying to prove you're natural to?

Remember its only illegal if you get caught, and with the current testing process in place that aint gonna be any time soon.

[1day]

Who are you trying to prove you're natural to?

Remember its only illegal if you get caught, and with the current testing process in place that aint gonna be any time soon.

well look who it is 8) , so i take it ur gona be in the same boat as me too soon,so are u saying ul class urself as 'non-natural bodybuilder' then ? :wink:

[Monopoly Man]

Nah bro

I just class myself as a Winner :wink:

[auck_builder]

what did u use 1day?

and u would have to ask the natural king nick if ur regarded as natural....

[1day]

what did u use 1day?

and u would have to ask the natural king nick if ur regarded as natural....

ahahahaha, lmao!!!

used 1 called 'lasix' :roll:

[Luigi]

what did u use 1day?

and u would have to ask the natural king nick if ur regarded as natural....

ahahahaha, lmao!!!

used 1 called 'lasix' :roll:

then no you are not natural.

another question, if i had used a product that was illegal in new zealand - say hott roxx with yohimbine (which is now a banned substance in nz) would i still be considered natural ?

[Monopoly Man]

I think testing positive for hot roxx would be the least of your worries Luigi :pfft:

[biggurl27]

then no you are not natural.

Arh quiet in the cheap seats

[weener lad]

Feeling torn on this subject :?

I would consider myself natural given I have never cycled (and wont) and also stayed away from the hard core diuretics. However if what some of you are saying about using Lipo6 or Hot roxx (basically anything that Medsafe safe in all their infinite wisdom have chosen to ban) is being a non natural, we are all stuffed.

There is probably only a handful of people nation wide that can say they haven't touched a thing.