T3 Dosage and protocol pre comp (with clen and AAS)

[NZPT]

who has used T3 pre comp with clen and AAS and what dosages duration have you used at?

I am using 700mg prop and 400mg tren A (start this week) leading into a show.

I am on my second week on clen and built upto to 120mcg per day, then will go off for a week benydrel at night and repeat.

i have 110 T3 25mcg tabs (imported from overseas) pharmaceutical company (in sealed strip packaging ect).

I initially was going to use 6 weeks out build upto 75mcg per day and then tapper off. I wil be stacking with clen.

What i am asking is at this dosage will it be too high even with AAS to create muscle loss? Any experienced users i would like to here how you have run in the past etc.

current weight 98kg 11.23%BF

Thanks NZPT

[samoan_muscle]

I have used T3 at a variety of doses and found the most effective fat burning dosage for me to be 50mcg per day. Worked absolute wonders when run with ephedrine and clenbuterol together – fat literally melted off with little to no cardio. At the higher end of the range (75mcg to 100mcg) I start to feel pretty flat and look flat. Obviously, the higher your dose, the greater risk you run of losing muscle.

IMO you can run clenbuterol a lot longer than you normally would when taken in conjunction with T3…200mcg ED for your last 6 weeks leading into your show should be fine. Theoretically Clen down regulates beta 2 receptors after 2 weeks rendering it almost useless after this period. T3 supposedly increases the number of beta-2 receptors and also up-regulates existing beta-2 receptors allowing for the prolonged use of clenbuterol (someone correct me if I’m wrong here).

At 50mcg ED you could run out your stock for almost 8 weeks.

Do you plan to run the propionate right into your show? What Trenbolone are you using – acetate or Enanthate?

[NZPT]

cheers SM filled in some gaps, good to here from an actual user not an arm chair expert which i feel there are a lot of on other overseas forums.

I was planning on prop and tren rite up to the show, using tren A start today. Do you suggest something else? i have a few things available so am open to ideas.

I haven't started cardio so maybe 8 weeks at 50mcg and ramp the clen up to 160-200mcg with cardio should work well?

[samoan_muscle]

Yeah I know what you mean – one thing I hate is when you ask for advice on something and people spurt off a whole lot of shit that they’ve read on a very general profile of the drug aka textbook knowledge…most of them have no clue what they’re talking about let alone actual experience. I’ve found that T3 is a hormone that a lot of people haven’t used…only read about…

I believe that testosterone should be the base of any cycle except leading into a show. Personally, I’d drop it 4 weeks out…because of its aromatizing affects leading to water retention etc…

Proviron and Winstrol in those last 4-6 weeks should dry you up nicely in conjunction with the Tren.

Go with what you’re comfortable with on the Clen…4-5 tabs should be good though…

[NZPT]

yeah it seems alot of people just regurgitate the shit they read and you end up getting the same answer as if you "googled it" no real experience from use.

cheers for your answer it has been very helpfull.

dropping the test you didnt see a drop in mass in the remaining weeks out from the show or did you just harden up more?

do you reccomend injectable over oral winstrol? used both in the past but F*%k me injectable version can be painfull!

[samoan_muscle]

No drop in mass - just a drop in water retention.

Yeah f*ck injectable winny mate...I mean you have to inject it everyday and seeing as it waterbased you cant mix it with your oils - so you can be pinning up to twice a day!!! Give me orals anyday...

Last 3-4 weeks with synthol shots you can be pinning up to 4-6 times a day! Ouch!

[NZPT]

yeah never mind that shit enough to get through in the last couple of weeks before a show then be a dart board haha.

while iv got your knowledge mate you dealt with lasix oral? experiences?

[goku_kakarot77]

Yeah I know what you mean – one thing I hate is when you ask for advice on something and people spurt off a whole lot of shit that they’ve read on a very general profile of the drug aka textbook knowledge…most of them have no clue what they’re talking about let alone actual experience. I’ve found that T3 is a hormone that a lot of people haven’t used…only read about…

I believe that testosterone should be the base of any cycle except leading into a show. Personally, I’d drop it 4 weeks out…because of its aromatizing affects leading to water retention etc…

Proviron and Winstrol in those last 4-6 weeks should dry you up nicely in conjunction with the Tren.

Go with what you’re comfortable with on the Clen…4-5 tabs should be good though…

combining T3 clen and ephidrene is asking for a heart attack, know others who have passed away combining the three, but if u decide to do so monitor ur heart rate carefully

peace

[samoan_muscle]

Yeah I know what you mean – one thing I hate is when you ask for advice on something and people spurt off a whole lot of shit that they’ve read on a very general profile of the drug aka textbook knowledge…most of them have no clue what they’re talking about let alone actual experience. I’ve found that T3 is a hormone that a lot of people haven’t used…only read about…

I believe that testosterone should be the base of any cycle except leading into a show. Personally, I’d drop it 4 weeks out…because of its aromatizing affects leading to water retention etc…

Proviron and Winstrol in those last 4-6 weeks should dry you up nicely in conjunction with the Tren.

Go with what you’re comfortable with on the Clen…4-5 tabs should be good though…

combining T3 clen and ephidrene is asking for a heart attack, know others who have passed away combining the three, but if u decide to do so monitor ur heart rate carefully

peace

Heart rate? Heart attack?

Lol...ok mate.

[Riccardo]

Lol I know Goku and he knows his stuff, I wouldn't be mixing the 3 thats for sure, Im a medical student and yes T3 effects your CV system by increasing cardiac output through increasing your heart rate, This can lead to hypertension also. It stems from your body's increased metabolic rate/demand for oxygen rich blood.

Ephedrine as we all know is a stimulant and again increases heart rate and in fact is CONTRAINDICATED in people with HYPERTENSION and HYPERTHYROIDISM. Exogenous T3 administration is in a sense a form of artificial HYPERTTHYROIDISM.

Clenbuterol also increases Metabolic rate potentiating cardiovascular effects of T3, it causes hypertension and is also contraindicated in persons with tachycardia (that means a high heart rate) which you will have from the ephedrine and T3.

So yes the combined effects of these drugs cause tachycardia and hypertension the degree of which will be dose dependant. Yes Heart rate should be monitored as well as blood pressure as a indicator of cardiac function.

SM don't give advice if you don't have a clue, your advice could kill someone.

Edit* not to mention the fact you are also taking benydral which inhibits the metabolism of some drugs and could lead to the potentiated effects of other drugs you are taking perhaps resulting in toxicity. So yeah you should make sure that metabolism of the t3, clen etc is not by the same isoform of CYP450 that benydral inhibits..

[Specter]

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[Specter]

No drop in mass - just a drop in water retention.

Yeah f*ck injectable winny mate...I mean you have to inject it everyday and seeing as it waterbased you cant mix it with your oils - so you can be pinning up to twice a day!!! Give me orals anyday...

Coming from experience with winny..I perfer injectable into the delts alternately every other day.....

[nate225]

I see you edited your rather emotional response there Specter! Good idea.

In part I agree with you in terms of SM having done the time with the compounds (and he is right not a lot of people have played with thyroid meds, seems to scare people off for some reason! :grin: ) so is probably your man if you wanna get ripped to shreds using all three compounds at once.

However, Andreas Munzer was also the man at getting ripped to shreds and would've been a great guy to ask about conditioning. Unfortunately it cost him the ultimate price (I'm sure even the most diehard pro-gear enhanced BBer wouldn't say otherwise).

What I guess I'm saying is that an opinion from a legit medical person, specialist or otherwise, has its place in terms of safety & well being (BTW I dont know Riccardo & cant verify if he fits this mold!). A GP or Endocrinologist wont get you ripped (supraphysiological dosages aren't their thing funly enough :grin: ) but they can give you information that you should consider along with the 'word on the street'.

As usual it's a pros vs con situation. Most of the guys I know who have used thyroid opt for a more conservative approach, cycling between using this & clen / ephedrine (by the way good luck getting this without getting a sentence for importing precursors to meth!).

Just my 10 cents!

Nate "not ripped & not concerned" 225

PS Luv to hear SM's & Riccardo's views on DNP! :pfft:

[musclenz]

PS Luv to hear SM's & Riccardo's views on DNP! :pfft:

Make quite an interesting thread. Not sure if you can source in NZ & has anyone done this shit??

[AllenNZ]

yes musclenz i have done it and you can get it here in nz thats DNP

[musclenz]

yes musclenz i have done it and you can get it here in nz thats DNP

How did you rate it AllenNZ? What dose & any sides? I've seen it discussed widely on OS sites but thought it pretty rear here.

[nate225]

I've used it in a laboratory situation (not on a human! :grin: ) as it's a common uncoupling agent. You'd wanna be a very serious competitor to even consider DNP in my opinion! :nod:

[samoan_muscle]

Hmmmm – hey Ricky boy…did you actual read my posts??

No where did I suggest for NZPT to stack T3 / Clen / Ephedrine together. He asked for members experiences with T3 and I gave him mine.

I know many other experienced bodybuilding individuals who have stacked these 3 together with zero problems. If you’re running the doses so high that it would kill you, then fair enough and good job, you’re a fucking idiot who’d deserve it. If I was to issue a health warning for every fucking steroid in the book as scary as yours and Mr Goku’s then we should all not take anything and stay natural for the rest of our lives because of the potential adverse effects.

As for DNP, I’ve run it before but couldn’t stand the insomnia it gave me so pulled the plug early on my 2 week cycle.

Mr Natural has had some interesting experiences with DNP which Im sure he would be more than happy to share with all you kiddies.

[mr natural]

lol, yeah but thats a story for just before bed time.

[musclenz]

lol, yeah but thats a story for just before bed time.

Ohhhhh! Cant wait till tonight :grin: :grin: :grin:

[musclenz]

Hmmmm – hey Ricky boy…did you actual read my posts??

No where did I suggest for NZPT to stack T3 / Clen / Ephedrine together. He asked for members experiences with T3 and I gave him mine.

I know many other experienced bodybuilding individuals who have stacked these 3 together with zero problems. If you’re running the doses so high that it would kill you, then fair enough and good job, you’re a fucking idiot who’d deserve it. If I was to issue a health warning for every fucking steroid in the book as scary as yours and Mr Goku’s then we should all not take anything and stay natural for the rest of our lives because of the potential adverse effects.

As for DNP, I’ve run it before but couldn’t stand the insomnia it gave me so pulled the plug early on my 2 week cycle.

Mr Natural has had some interesting experiences with DNP which Im sure he would be more than happy to share with all you kiddies.

I'm enjoying playing around with some Mibolerone atm.

[samoan_muscle]

Hmmmm – hey Ricky boy…did you actual read my posts??

No where did I suggest for NZPT to stack T3 / Clen / Ephedrine together. He asked for members experiences with T3 and I gave him mine.

I know many other experienced bodybuilding individuals who have stacked these 3 together with zero problems. If you’re running the doses so high that it would kill you, then fair enough and good job, you’re a fucking idiot who’d deserve it. If I was to issue a health warning for every fucking steroid in the book as scary as yours and Mr Goku’s then we should all not take anything and stay natural for the rest of our lives because of the potential adverse effects.

As for DNP, I’ve run it before but couldn’t stand the insomnia it gave me so pulled the plug early on my 2 week cycle.

Mr Natural has had some interesting experiences with DNP which Im sure he would be more than happy to share with all you kiddies.

I'm enjoying playing around with some Mibolerone atm.

Watch out! That can kill you! Dont take it if you have no clue! :doh: :doh: :doh:

[Riccardo]

I don't think I gave a scary warning, just some advice, mostly I was just concerned how you dismissed goku's warning like it was irrelevant or that it would never happen, YES tachycardia and hypertension will almost definitely occur with that stack and YES this is a bad combo for your heart.It's not just dosages I'm talking about, when you're stacking so many compounds it's the drug interactions between other drugs and even food/supplements which I was trying to get at. of course a high enough dose of anything might kill you but the physiology behind different mechanisms of action, interactions and side effects should be known before considering dosing up multiple compounds.

You're right there are side effects for every drug but side effects and adverse drug reactions occur over a huge range of concentrations in drugs such as these with narrow therapeutic windows. therefore safe and effective dosages may not be the same for everyone, after all we are all different. This is half the argument behind legalising steroid use, if we make it legal then info regarding dosages, toxic concs, side effects etc. will be more detailed than simple anecdotal facts and figures quoted by someone on a message board.

This is why it is important for people to know all the facts, we don't want people dying, there's so much prejudice to this sport of ours as it is.

as for DNP, I agree completely with Nate, it effectively uncouples metabolism in mitochondria and raises your metabolic rate but you'd have to be pretty hard core. From what I've read toxicity, metabolism, absorption, distribution and excretion varies hugely between individuals. What do you do Nate?

[musclenz]

Hmmmm – hey Ricky boy…did you actual read my posts??

No where did I suggest for NZPT to stack T3 / Clen / Ephedrine together. He asked for members experiences with T3 and I gave him mine.

I know many other experienced bodybuilding individuals who have stacked these 3 together with zero problems. If you’re running the doses so high that it would kill you, then fair enough and good job, you’re a fucking idiot who’d deserve it. If I was to issue a health warning for every fucking steroid in the book as scary as yours and Mr Goku’s then we should all not take anything and stay natural for the rest of our lives because of the potential adverse effects.

As for DNP, I’ve run it before but couldn’t stand the insomnia it gave me so pulled the plug early on my 2 week cycle.

Mr Natural has had some interesting experiences with DNP which Im sure he would be more than happy to share with all you kiddies.

I'm enjoying playing around with some Mibolerone atm.

Watch out! That can kill you! Dont take it if you have no clue! :doh: :doh: :doh:

Tks for your concern Big Boy but I have been around long enough to know a little bit about pharmacology.

[mr natural]

The danger with DNP is by taking to much, in turn causing the body temp to rise to dangerous levels"cooking" the internals.DNP is basically a thermogenic on a stack of gh insulin and steroids :pfft: