What could I gain? What should I expect?

[fit2fight]

G'day team

I'm about to start a 16 Week Cycle as follows:

Weeks 1 - 10

-500mg Test E

-400mg Boldenone

-(21 days of) 30mg D-Bol pd

Weeks 11 - 13

-250mg Test E

-400mg Boldenone

Weeks 14 - 16

-125mg Test E

-200mg Boldenone

I expect PDT with HCG and Nolva will follow.

Input and experience will help me out alot!

Cheers

[samoan_muscle]

Whats your reasoning behind tapering out the test (and not the boldenone), then running pct?

[Luigi]

happy birthday !

your stats still 6 foot 1 80kg ?

what could you gain ? heaps, all depends how much you eat which is what has been letting you down lately.

[boostinggtir]

get your diet sorted man, only train 4 times a week 2, you need to give your body a chance to grow

[Hone]

Well if you don't have your diet sorted don't expect to make great gains, sure you will put on weight but nowhere near what you could if you have your food intake sorted and if I was paying out what you guys pay for gear in NZ I would want to maxamise my gains as much as possible.

Tapering cycles was done by the old school guys before PCT arrived on the scene, but in saying that there are guys using gear in 2009 that still taper their cycles and not do PCT.

The use of HCG has changed over recent years and there are now more or less two schools of thought of using the stuff.

1. Using HCG throughout your cycle.

2. Using HCG between your last shot of gear and the start of PCT.

I myself use to use HCG before PCT and then use clomid and nolva.

Hope you have got all your other meds in place before you start cycle bro, you got any SERM's or AI's?

[NZPT]

if your 80kg then there's no reason you cant get into the 90kg bracket with that cycle. you probably could without gear if you are 6 foot 1.

Sounds like these guys have seen your diet (not sure on other posts) so maybe post it up.

Are you trying to all out bulk or stay relatively lean while bulking? staying lean can be done but expect some fat gains and you just have to eat a ton of clean food to get the calories in and you potentially run the risk of limiting your gains.

just some things to think about, i personally think the tapper to pct works well. Maybe consider running the test longer then the EQ in the tapper though.

other then that its a decent cycle, have pct and any required auxiliaries on hand before you start (and all your gear!) so there's no hick ups along the way.

NZPT

[auck_builder]

keep the test at 500mg thru out and taper at the end of 16weeks into your pct.

y would u cut the test down and keep the EQ high? - is there actually a reason for this that im missing?

and have ur pct in hand before u start!

[fit2fight]

if your 80kg then there's no reason you cant get into the 90kg bracket with that cycle. you probably could without gear if you are 6 foot 1.

Sounds like these guys have seen your diet (not sure on other posts) so maybe post it up.

Are you trying to all out bulk or stay relatively lean while bulking? staying lean can be done but expect some fat gains and you just have to eat a ton of clean food to get the calories in and you potentially run the risk of limiting your gains.

just some things to think about, i personally think the tapper to pct works well. Maybe consider running the test longer then the EQ in the tapper though.

other then that its a decent cycle, have pct and any required auxiliaries on hand before you start (and all your gear!) so there's no hick ups along the way.

NZPT

Diet has been shocking in the past, I'll really need to step my game up in that field. Its completely a bulking cycle, not worried about fat gain at all. I'm an extreme ectomorph so I probably won't gain much fat and will be training 5 days a week with a good split to rest everything. All gear will be on hand and yes still 6-1 and 80kg(ish)

[fit2fight]

keep the test at 500mg thru out and taper at the end of 16weeks into your pct.

y would u cut the test down and keep the EQ high? - is there actually a reason for this that im missing?

and have ur pct in hand before u start!

I thought tapering the test would ease my system back into natural production and help with the whole PCT process. Done two previous cycles with NO PCT and a good amount of time off in between each. Any advice on this also?

[auck_builder]

your still shutdown at those doses and your using EQ aswell which is extremly supresive

if i was doing (with my limited knowlage) i would do it full boar for 16weeks 500mg test 400mg EQ then carry the test on at lower dose for a few weeks(?) then go to PCT

i dont no if EQ is similar as deca but deca dick is usually an issue with people that dont carry on test after cycle of deca?

again im not very indepth with my answer as some could be, and could be corrected

[musclenz]

your still shutdown at those doses and your using EQ aswell which is extremly supresive

if i was doing (with my limited knowlage) i would do it full boar for 16weeks 500mg test 400mg EQ then carry the test on at lower dose for a few weeks(?) then go to PCT

i dont no if EQ is similar as deca but deca dick is usually an issue with people that dont carry on test after cycle of deca?

again im not very indepth with my answer as some could be, and could be corrected

Eq although it was designed as a vetinary drug for horses, was used as a replacement for Deca but most felt it did not live up to it. Although it has similar properties like collogen synthesis & joint support, it is not as harsh on the HPTA as Deca. Nandrolones are 19 Nors or progestins & work different pathways than do androgens so u dont get the same libido issues with it. The problem with Boldenone is it is a very long acting drug & it does not hit in until around 8 weeks of use or longer, so you are best to run it on longer cycles. Personally, I still love it but everyone has their own opinion. f2f, have you posted your food plan up at any stage? As an ecto, you probably need to have a higher ratio of carb to protein to make gains.

[Luigi]

f2f, have you posted your food plan up at any stage? As an ecto, you probably need to have a higher ratio of carb to protein to make gains.

yea post up a sample of the diet you plan to use, as this is what is going to get you growing.

[auck_builder]

your still shutdown at those doses and your using EQ aswell which is extremly supresive

if i was doing (with my limited knowlage) i would do it full boar for 16weeks 500mg test 400mg EQ then carry the test on at lower dose for a few weeks(?) then go to PCT

i dont no if EQ is similar as deca but deca dick is usually an issue with people that dont carry on test after cycle of deca?

again im not very indepth with my answer as some could be, and could be corrected

Eq although it was designed as a vetinary drug for horses, was used as a replacement for Deca but most felt it did not live up to it. Although it has similar properties like collogen synthesis & joint support, it is not as harsh on the HPTA as Deca. Nandrolones are 19 Nors or progestins & work different pathways than do androgens so u dont get the same libido issues with it. The problem with Boldenone is it is a very long acting drug & it does not hit in until around 8 weeks of use or longer, so you are best to run it on longer cycles. Personally, I still love it but everyone has their own opinion. f2f, have you posted your food plan up at any stage? As an ecto, you probably need to have a higher ratio of carb to protein to make gains.

ahhh - cheers

[fit2fight]

f2f, have you posted your food plan up at any stage? As an ecto, you probably need to have a higher ratio of carb to protein to make gains.

yea post up a sample of the diet you plan to use, as this is what is going to get you growing.

Ok will do! I think it will be the thing i'll find the hardest to get right. I don't really know what my nutrition should be like when i'm on. Messed up the last two cycles for sure, want to do this one right.

A rough plan at this stage is as follows

0700: 50g Shake (Trim milk)

Two Eggs, 4x Toast, 400g of Porridge

0900: 85g Tin of Chop-Chop

100g Brown Rice/Noodles

1000: Workout

(Followed by 50g Shake at about 1115)

1130: 2x Sandwiches (Multigrain Bread, Tomato, Bean Sprouts, Egg, 300g Roast Meat, Cheese

1400: 85g Tin of Chop-Chop

Carbs?

1700: 3x Med Potato, Veg, 250g Steak/Chicken Breast

or Chicken pasta (Same Value EQ)

1900: Shake

Noodles\Creamed Rice

2130: 50g Shake (Trim Milk)

Let me know what you think...

:-s

[musclenz]

f2f, have you posted your food plan up at any stage? As an ecto, you probably need to have a higher ratio of carb to protein to make gains.

yea post up a sample of the diet you plan to use, as this is what is going to get you growing.

Ok will do! I think it will be the thing i'll find the hardest to get right. I don't really know what my nutrition should be like when i'm on. Messed up the last two cycles for sure, want to do this one right.

A rough plan at this stage is as follows

0700: 50g Shake (Trim milk)

Two Eggs, 4x Toast, 400g of Porridge

0900: 85g Tin of Chop-Chop

100g Brown Rice/Noodles

1000: Workout

(Followed by 50g Shake at about 1115)

1130: 2x Sandwiches (Multigrain Bread, Tomato, Bean Sprouts, Egg, 300g Roast Meat, Cheese

1400: 85g Tin of Chop-Chop

Carbs?

1700: 3x Med Potato, Veg, 250g Steak/Chicken Breast

or Chicken pasta (Same Value EQ)

1900: Shake

Noodles\Creamed Rice

2130: 50g Shake (Trim Milk)

Let me know what you think...

:-s

Looks pretty good Bro. Yes carbs at 1400. Small salad perhaps. Maybe the meal at 1900 could be cleaned up a tad. You could throw in some oats or banan into your shake make it a bit more substantial. Otherwise you have got carb/protein going in each meal & if you tidy up the 1900 snack into a meal gives you about 6 meals ed with shakes extra. I will try & work out your macros when I get more time.

[fit2fight]

yea post up a sample of the diet you plan to use, as this is what is going to get you growing.

Ok will do! I think it will be the thing i'll find the hardest to get right. I don't really know what my nutrition should be like when i'm on. Messed up the last two cycles for sure, want to do this one right.

A rough plan at this stage is as follows

0700: 50g Shake (Trim milk)

Two Eggs, 4x Toast, 400g of Porridge

0900: 85g Tin of Chop-Chop

100g Brown Rice/Noodles

1000: Workout

(Followed by 50g Shake at about 1115)

1130: 2x Sandwiches (Multigrain Bread, Tomato, Bean Sprouts, Egg, 300g Roast Meat, Cheese

1400: 85g Tin of Chop-Chop

Carbs?

1700: 3x Med Potato, Veg, 250g Steak/Chicken Breast

or Chicken pasta (Same Value EQ)

1900: Shake

Noodles\Creamed Rice

2130: 50g Shake (Trim Milk)

Let me know what you think...

:-s

Looks pretty good Bro. Yes carbs at 1400. Small salad perhaps. Maybe the meal at 1900 could be cleaned up a tad. You could throw in some oats or banan into your shake make it a bit more substantial. Otherwise you have got carb/protein going in each meal & if you tidy up the 1900 snack into a meal gives you about 6 meals ed with shakes extra. I will try & work out your macros when I get more time.

Roger that, I like banana's in my shakes. As I said its only rough, there will prob be alot more in there than written down. I guess the main thing is I cant eat any LESS than that, Its pretty much a min amount I aim to be taking in a day.

[Luigi]

A rough plan at this stage is as follows

0700: 50g Shake (Trim milk)

Two Eggs, 4x Toast, 400g of Porridge try have 3 eggs and 3 whites and 2 cup oats with full milk and banana

0900: 85g Tin of Chop-Chop should be a big tin 85g is only 16g protein ?

100g Brown Rice/Noodles go for white rice, itll put weight on you easier, and 100g is that dry weight ? try have 2-3 cupfulls

edit*just saw this is before workout, have some fast absorbing carbs... simple carbs

1000: Workout

(Followed by 50g Shake at about 1115) make sure your putting dextrose in this

1130: 2x Sandwiches (Multigrain Bread, Tomato, Bean Sprouts, Egg, 300g Roast Meat, Cheese this looks pretty good

1400: 85g Tin of Chop-Chop again, big tin

Carbs? 2-3 cups white rice

1700: 3x Med Potato, Veg, 250g Steak/Chicken Breast

or Chicken pasta (Same Value EQ) looks good

1900: Shake (try have another proper meal here, maybe 200g chicken or tin of chop chop, no subsitute for real food)

Noodles\Creamed Rice (swap to rice or pasta)

2130: 50g Shake (full Milk)

Let me know what you think...

:-s

..... have added in some points in bold above.

[auck_builder]

yea i agree - big tins(180g) of chop chop or tuna

[Specter]

I disagree..dont buy friggin big chop chop tins at all and buy fresh chicken and cook up enouugh for the next couple of days as you go....

[Luigi]

I disagree..dont buy friggin big chop chop tins at all and buy fresh chicken and cook up enouugh for the next couple of days as you go....

yea, dont use chop chop unless you have to... should be more of a conveniance thing not everyday.

[sponge]

i too am extreme ecto being the same height as you and starting off at 65kg and therefore i'm confident you can gain more weight first. your diet looks pretty good esp. with all the changes the guy have suggested but i always made sure to have good complex carbs with every meal including the one at 9.30pm.

luigi mentioned some good changes except i might argue the brown rice over the white rice that'd be all, especially the PWO dextrose (FYI you can pick up dextrose in the home-brewing sections of most supermarkets)

what's your training routine like?? i always found that changing it up and doing different things like more/less reps, supersets, dropsets, changing exercises... always helped shocked my body to gain more weight.

[genetic freek]

Mate, with your body type and your planned cycle you want to just eat eat and then eat some more. Its the only way you'll get real big. Hardest thing I have allways found is getting the food in so I use shakes. I have found its lots of carbs that will get you there. By 1.30pm I have had 3cups of oats and a cup of rice -plus protein and fats etc-. I am just 6ft and started at 65kg I am now 115kg at about 15-16% bf. EAT EAT EAT

[Mrbig]

Mate, with your body type and your planned cycle you want to just eat eat and then eat some more. Its the only way you'll get real big. Hardest thing I have allways found is getting the food in so I use shakes. I have found its lots of carbs that will get you there. By 1.30pm I have had 3cups of oats and a cup of rice -plus protein and fats etc-. I am just 6ft and started at 65kg I am now 115kg at about 15-16% bf. EAT EAT EAT

pics or i call bullshit :pfft:

[samoan_muscle]

Mate, with your body type and your planned cycle you want to just eat eat and then eat some more. Its the only way you'll get real big. Hardest thing I have allways found is getting the food in so I use shakes. I have found its lots of carbs that will get you there. By 1.30pm I have had 3cups of oats and a cup of rice -plus protein and fats etc-. I am just 6ft and started at 65kg I am now 115kg at about 15-16% bf. EAT EAT EAT

pics or i call bullshit :pfft:

lol

[genetic freek]

Mate, with your body type and your planned cycle you want to just eat eat and then eat some more. Its the only way you'll get real big. Hardest thing I have allways found is getting the food in so I use shakes. I have found its lots of carbs that will get you there. By 1.30pm I have had 3cups of oats and a cup of rice -plus protein and fats etc-. I am just 6ft and started at 65kg I am now 115kg at about 15-16% bf. EAT EAT EAT

pics or i call bullshit :pfft:

Not and informercial mate don't have before and afters