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Some guys have problems with acne and/or gyno while on cycle, others don't. While you are on a cycle of test such as yours I wouldn't expect you to have any problems with your libido, in fact I would expect you to be wandering around your house at night sticking your dick into anything you can find :pfft: Coming off a cycle is when some guys have problems with their libido, others don't. So basically everyone is different and is affected differently. At 21 years old you should have high natural test levels which I expect has helped you when coming off the cycle.

To my knowledge PCT has been around for about 30 years, before that guys tapered their cycles so when they came off their cycle the dose was smaller then what they had been on some weeks before hand. I know guys who do PCT after every cycle, I also know guys who still use the old tapering system and consider PCT a waste of time and money and I know guys who stay on gear all year round. Some guys simply don't do PCT as they tried and reacted badly to the PCT meds or just don't like the fact of putting further drugs into their system.

It is fairly common to lose some size and strength after coming off a cycle. How much weight did you put on during your cycle as then we can see if the loss is relative to what you put on? Did you do PCT after your first cycle? If not why not do PCT after your third cycle and see if you retain more size and strength.

Bodybuilding is not an exact science and there are many variables, that's why I experiment with different cycles, diets etc as each time I do something different I learn something new. The more knowledge you have about your body the better you will be as a bodybuilder :)

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recently finished a 14 week cycle of test e500mg /pw plus dbol at the start 30mg 4 3 weeks this was my second cycle, ive been off about 12 weeks or more now and never experianced issues with libido,acne or gyno or other hormone related ills.

just wanted other peoples experiance with coming off with nil pct, ive lost around 4 kgs and around half to 3/4 inch off my arms strength is maybe down 10%. what would experianced users think of these stats?

You are probably fairly lucky TWL. How much did you gain on the cycle? On heavier cycles you may not be as lucky. I think it is wise to at least do a minimal PCT of Nolva 20mg ed for 3-4 weeks, or an AI. Compounds like Hcg are beneficial to restart LH & Natty Test but not essential. Be interesting to get your bloods done to see where you are.

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You are probably fairly lucky TWL. How much did you gain on the cycle? On heavier cycles you may not be as lucky. I think it is wise to at least do a minimal PCT of Nolva 20mg ed for 3-4 weeks, or an AI. Compounds like Hcg are beneficial to restart LH & Natty Test but not essential. Be interesting to get your bloods done to see where you are.

I completely agree, I would not even consider a cycle unless I knew I had PCT to follow, years ago I learned the same hard lesson.. I keep a good stock of Nolva etc for that very reason.. I lost a lot post cycle

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You are probably fairly lucky TWL. How much did you gain on the cycle? On heavier cycles you may not be as lucky. I think it is wise to at least do a minimal PCT of Nolva 20mg ed for 3-4 weeks, or an AI. Compounds like Hcg are beneficial to restart LH & Natty Test but not essential. Be interesting to get your bloods done to see where you are.

I completely agree, I would not even consider a cycle unless I knew I had PCT to follow, years ago I learned the same hard lesson.. I keep a good stock of Nolva etc for that very reason.. I lost a lot post cycle

Agreed. Seriously though, some of us can get away with no pct on our first couple of cycles....but long term using...keep a good stash of pct handy....

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Are you not the guy who was complaining that your gear was "fake" and that you were not getting gains?

This could be why your sweet

WTF you on about?not me.

Nah..he didnt mean you bro. :pfft: He meant the dude who started this thread...

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but anyways i wouldnt ever EVER do another cycle without hcg,nolva,clomid,letro or anything else i could get my hands on. low test sucks man and the sides are SHIT - gyno,depresion,anxiety,fat gain,sex drive fucked,general well being and energy fucked. Hell no never again. Come out the other side of it now but was a shit 4-5 months

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testostorone stasis and taper, it works.

have used this technique for the last 5 years with no issues - never used pct. In fact the guys I have trained around over the years that have seem to have more issues with gyno than those with out.

Nothing wrong with my strength - need to put things in perspective also - weight loss is going to happen post cycle - but muscle loss wont provided you hit your diet off to better support your natural hormone production and preserve protiens in your system (Aminos).

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testostorone stasis and taper, it works.

have used this technique for the last 5 years with no issues - never used pct. In fact the guys I have trained around over the years that have seem to have more issues with gyno than those with out.

Nothing wrong with my strength - need to put things in perspective also - weight loss is going to happen post cycle - but muscle loss wont provided you hit your diet off to better support your natural hormone production and preserve protiens in your system (Aminos).

Of course this is what guys did before SERMS, AI's & Peptides came into being as part of cycle recovery. It does work I know, but now with the complexity of modern designer steroids & prohormones I doubt whether the taper will cut the mustard especially on heavy complex multi compound cycles. Also they are becoming almost an essential part of the modern BBers medicine cabinet to deal to on cycle issues which may not necessarily be limited to the onset of gyno but may be Progesterone or Prolactin problems like ED, delayed ejaculation, depression, anxiety etc However, there is some debate in BBer circles that the almost unrestricted use of these drugs has led to an actual increase in reoccurring gyno in some users. Certainly they should be only used when required & with caution in the long term. SERMs in particular.

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My first cycle I ran pct but never had any issue's with libido, depression or any other "coming off" symptoms but every cycle after that I do suffer from them! In the uk pct meds are so cheap there is no reason not to run them your not saving any money! (not sure of cost in NZ)

Point being in your next few cycle's you may not be so lucky!

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