overtrain?

[nemesis]

can anyone tell me if after I've trained a body part, lets say for example biceps last night :pfft: , and I don't feel like I've really stressed it (no stiffness or soreness today) if I can I give it another blast today? or have I blown it until after normal recovery time? would training it again so soon be over doing it?

Does the fact I can't feel the same stiffness and soreness mean I haven't done enough to it?

[Mrbig]

despite wat ppl believe it actually takes 7-10 days for your nervous system to fully recover form an intense training session that is why it is best to train bodyparts once per week and why wuld you train biceps 2days in a row thats just stupid they will begin shrinking if you keep that up

[trainharder]

i personally like to feel like i have trained a body part for a few days afterwards by the soreness i get.

and i dont like training the same bodypart for at least 7 days

but everyone is different and moe said in a seminar last week that his hammies were lagging so he trained them every day for a year.

everyone is different so you need to find what your body responds too frequency wise.

[Mrbig]

moe is on over 1g of test a week so he can train everything all the time I know its hard to wait 7 days to train again but seriously try it and youll be amazed at the resukts

[Gym rat]

When I have had a good hard quads sessions it takes me about three or four days for them to recover before I train them again.

[trainharder]

moe is on over 1g of test a week so he can train everything all the time I know its hard to wait 7 days to train again but seriously try it and youll be amazed at the resukts

yep i hear exactly what you mean

im on a 5 day split and train everything pretty intensly at the moment so the 2 days i have off i feel i need for recovery especially a rest day after legs

although i do need to bring my arms up so will try and fit them in 2 times a week.

but like you said 2 days in a row is definitely not gona make biceps grow.

[groovy]

despite wat ppl believe it actually takes 7-10 days for your nervous system to fully recover form an intense training session that is why it is best to train bodyparts once per week and why wuld you train biceps 2days in a row thats just stupid they will begin shrinking if you keep that up

I am sure you guy are right. But i was just curious about the "strength training 5x5 program" which is mentioned in strong lifts website. Which my friend has recently done to built his strength for a month and he had good results.

In which i think its basically compound and other exercises done 3 times a week i think. And in that squats are done everytime.

Isnt that over-training as well? or is it a complete different concept?

Because i was thinking about taking up that program.

Cheers.

[nemesis]

despite wat ppl believe it actually takes 7-10 days for your nervous system to fully recover form an intense training session that is why it is best to train bodyparts once per week and why wuld you train biceps 2days in a row thats just stupid they will begin shrinking if you keep that up

I don't plan on making it a regular thing, it's just that yesterday I was in a rush to do a bicep work out before going to the dentist (as who the hell wants to workout after having a tooth pulled!) so I rushed through my routine. But now my arms don't feel like I did a damn thing yesterday. No stiffness! no soreness! and I not only miss that feeling but feel guilty that I didn't push hard enough and want to know if its damaging to add a bit extra today or if I should just wait till next weeks bicep session and catch up then? I guess I should just wait, but feeling guilty instead of sore is a bitch!

i suppose I should have just left the workout until today and combined it with my usual tuesday workout? ya lives and learns I guess! :doh:

[trainharder]

despite wat ppl believe it actually takes 7-10 days for your nervous system to fully recover form an intense training session that is why it is best to train bodyparts once per week and why wuld you train biceps 2days in a row thats just stupid they will begin shrinking if you keep that up

I am sure you guy are right. But i was just curious about the "strength training 5x5 program" which is mentioned in strong lifts website. Which my friend has recently done to built his strength for a month and he had good results.

In which i think its basically compound and other exercises done 3 times a week i think. And in that squats are done everytime.

Isnt that over-training as well? or is it a complete different concept?

Because i was thinking about taking up that program.

Cheers.

wouldnt it depend on what your trying to achieve

the whole concept of building bigger muscles is to destroy it in a good workout and then let it recover and feed it so itl grow back slightly stronger and bigger.

rest is important to grow.

but everyones different so people respond differently and like mr big says depends on supplementation too

ive just gone through 4 months of bulking and found i got my best results ive had by listening to my body in regards to resting after workouts and not overtraining body parts.

[recent addict]

I often face this problem because I'm yet to stick to a strict schedule of which body part to train each day. I forget how many days it's been and a result can easily train some muscles e.g. chest twice a week.

What I have found though is that my legs, which I rarely (if ever) train twice a week, have had some really good gains in size and strength lately. I figure this is either because they were basically completely un-trained 5 weeks ago or that they've been getting better rest periods than say my chest (which I want to grow more than anything).

Just a bit of anecdotal evidence in support of proper rest periods.

Your question's made me think about my own routine and if I'm smart I will learn from what I've just said and spread out my chest workouts more. Cheers

[Rewi74]

Train them tonight and see what happens and let us know ....

P S - Soreness is not an indication of how hard or effectively you have trained a muscle.

[rose]

But i was just curious about the "strength training 5x5 program"... Isnt that over-training as well? or is it a complete different concept?

Different concept. It's strength training, not bodybuilding.

You start with an empty bar, adding a small amount of weight each time in order to build up progressively. By the time you're squatting heavier your body should be trained to squat 3 times a week.

The mistakes some people make when undertaking that program is to add more weight too soon or use bigger increments than that recommended.

Did you read the FAQ's?

[nemesis]

Train them tonight and see what happens and let us know ....

P S - Soreness is not an indication of how hard or effectively you have trained a muscle.

Jeez, ask an honest sincere question and all you get is sarcasm and everything except what you asked. try not to forget the point of a forum people!?

[groovy]

But i was just curious about the "strength training 5x5 program"... Isnt that over-training as well? or is it a complete different concept?

Different concept. It's strength training, not bodybuilding.

You start with an empty bar, adding a small amount of weight each time in order to build up progressively. By the time you're squatting heavier your body should be trained to squat 3 times a week.

The mistakes some people make when undertaking that program is to add more weight too soon or use bigger increments than that recommended.

Did you read the FAQ's?

Thanks Rose. I remember that you mentioned the same thing in one of ur other posts.

No i havent read the FAQ's. I will now. I might give it a try later on.

Have you done that before? if so, how did u find the program?

Cheers.

[ramy]

can anyone tell me if after I've trained a body part, lets say for example biceps last night :pfft: , and I don't feel like I've really stressed it (no stiffness or soreness today) if I can I give it another blast today? or have I blown it until after normal recovery time? would training it again so soon be over doing it?

Does the fact I can't feel the same stiffness and soreness mean I haven't done enough to it?

its unnecessary training it the second day because if you were to do that why not just train them every day? you wouldnt...twice a week is fine you can easily workout your biceps and triceps twice a week without getting in the way of your big compound movements...more importantly over-training.

[SoaringSwine]

first of all... There is two types of overtraining... Muscular and your central nervous system. Musclar overtraining is fairly obvious... If you're still sore when you haven't trained that muscle again it hasnt recovered. Overtraining your CNS is more tricky to identify. For me, after pulling a max effort deadlift I won't be able to perform at my best for a couple weeks. Contolled overtraining, or over reaching, is not necessarily a bad thing. Some routines have intentionally lower volume and moderate intensity so the lifted is able to lift more often (overall or for a specific body part), others focus on heavy volume or intensity that takes much longer to recuperate from. And then there are some crazy routines that have high intensity, volume and frequency. The ultimate goal of any of these types of plans is to improve performance. The more one overtrains the greater the body will overcompensate, the trick is to time your training to make the most of it. I'll post an article on this when I'm pack on my PC.

[ramy]

first of all... There is two types of overtraining... Muscular and your central nervous system. Musclar overtraining is fairly obvious... If you're still sore when you haven't trained that muscle again it hasnt recovered. Overtraining your CNS is more tricky to identify. For me, after pulling a max effort deadlift I won't be able to perform at my best for a couple weeks. Contolled overtraining, or over reaching, is not necessarily a bad thing. Some routines have intentionally lower volume and moderate intensity so the lifted is able to lift more often (overall or for a specific body part), others focus on heavy volume or intensity that takes much longer to recuperate from. And then there are some crazy routines that have high intensity, volume and frequency. The ultimate goal of any of these types of plans is to improve performance. The more one overtrains the greater the body will overcompensate, the trick is to time your training to make the most of it. I'll post an article on this when I'm pack on my PC.

yeah i agree with swine. muscular overtraining is easy to identify when i over train my nervous system i go into the gym and my hearts beating fast but my body isnt even warm, you obviously push crap and feel like you CANT push. you feel nausey as if you wanna faint. with not being warm your skin will be pale. its natural signs of sickness regardless of bodybuilding. because when you train your giving your nervous system a beating from the anabolism more than your muscles, when you over train your nervous system simply cant keep up, like a market demand too great to be supplied it comes to a halt. Lowers your immunity and you can be susceptible to something simple like a cold. you may wake up in morning with a runny nose in the middle of summer.

thats from experience.

[trainharder]

what with your 9 months of experience

i havent heard anything of what you experience from any one whos had a good 10 or 20 years experience and ive never felt like that

sure muscular overtraining is easy to spot most of the time.

but the symptoms you talk about seems strange

for me i get muscle soreness from pushing myself or if im overtrained tiredness and lethargy and lack of energy.

not dissiness, paleness ,sickness ,loss of periods and all the other things you seem to get.

[ramy]

what with your 9 months of experience

i havent heard anything of what you experience from any one whos had a good 10 or 20 years experience and ive never felt like that

sure muscular overtraining is easy to spot most of the time.

but the symptoms you talk about seems strange

for me i get muscle soreness from pushing myself or if im overtrained tiredness and lethargy and lack of energy.

not dissiness, paleness ,sickness ,loss of periods and all the other things you seem to get.

like i said body not warm but heart beating fast and feel like you cant push thats somewhat energy related but for someone like you to come here criticizing me saying that energy levels are to do with over training please bro...it aint energy levels you just aint training as hard as i am in order to over train your body to respond like that like. but theres no competition about who trains the most and over trains, because thats just stupid.

and keep listening to people and not your body. and keep pushing when your body tells you to stop(refering to discomfort). its just my energy levels i need to eat more, that must be why . ill come visit you at the hospital one day when you drop a 50 kg dumbbell on your head. LOL

[ramy]

trainharder, what do energy levels have to do with overtraining? energy levels obviously are according to your calorie count. over training is related to the nervous system. your trying to mix your digestive system and your nervous system together to explain why people cannot perform in the gym. The only reason those two should cross paths and not allow you to perform at the gym, is according to what your diet consists of (thus meaning your maintenance, not only what you ate today), and thats a whole new topic.

[trainharder]

sorry ramy i bow to your 9 months and feminine physique

my energy levels are lower and body is tired after pushing myself for 3 days in a row as hard as i can

and i listen to my body after a day off i can come back refreshed and ready for more

my heart doesnt go faster telling me ive overtrained like yours does sounds like you have a heart problem

and like you said previously no one trains as hard as you or as intense

so il step aside and just listen to your advice

[trainharder]

what with your 9 months of experience

i havent heard anything of what you experience from any one whos had a good 10 or 20 years experience and ive never felt like that

sure muscular overtraining is easy to spot most of the time.

but the symptoms you talk about seems strange

for me i get muscle soreness from pushing myself or if im overtrained tiredness and lethargy and lack of energy.

not dissiness, paleness ,sickness ,loss of periods and all the other things you seem to get.

like i said body not warm but heart beating fast and feel like you cant push thats somewhat energy related but for someone like you to come here criticizing me saying that energy levels are to do with over training please bro...it aint energy levels you just aint training as hard as i am in order to over train your body to respond like that like. but theres no competition about who trains the most and over trains, because thats just stupid.

and keep listening to people and not your body. and keep pushing when your body tells you to stop(refering to discomfort). its just my energy levels i need to eat more, that must be why . ill come visit you at the hospital one day when you drop a 50 kg dumbbell on your head. LOL

and what do you mean someone like me

are you being racist or what

what exactly does that mean

im entitled to an opinion if i disagree with you i will say it

if your feeling nauteaous and feel like fainting before you even enter the gym go see a doctor

stop giving crap advice to people

[ramy]

sorry ramy i bow to your 9 months and feminine physique

my energy levels are lower and body is tired after pushing myself for 3 days in a row as hard as i can

and i listen to my body after a day off i can come back refreshed and ready for more

my heart doesnt go faster telling me ive overtrained like yours does sounds like you have a heart problem

and like you said previously no one trains as hard as you or as intense

so il step aside and just listen to your advice

i use to work out 5 days a week at maximum intensity. i dont have a heart condition and dont embarass yourself making stupid statements that are unlogical only to try criticize me ok? at least think twice next time.

[ramy]

and what do you mean someone like me

are you being racist or what

what exactly does that mean

im entitled to an opinion if i disagree with you i will say it

if your feeling nauteaous and feel like fainting before you even enter the gym go see a doctor

stop giving crap advice to people

how is that racist, and im not racist. I said when i push as a result of over training with many other symptoms it doenst happen every day you idiot. and how is it bad advice? you have no idea what your even saying it relates to nothing and you type without thinking just to take any opportunity to criticize me. for you my friend my 9 months of bodybuilding counts for an eternity for you PWNED>WTFBBQ.

[boostinggtir]

haha, look at trainharders aviator then take a look at your self ramy.