Shocking News! NABBA Worlds, 20 June, Cancelled!

[Outlaw53]

I don't think anyone here is doubting the efforts of the local NABBA promoters, but while you are still affiliated with an overseas organisation that has cancelled its World titles two years in a row at short noticed and has not even been able to update its website for 18mths then you are going to struggle to get support from anyone.

It is obvious that this "fake" NABBA is finished, why not dump them and join up with NABBA UK.

Their World titles were held this weekend without any dodgy excuses about financial hardship.

"Fake" NABBA are tarnishing all of your good work.

Even if you don't join NABBA UK, at least dump "fake" NABBA, they are not helping your cause.

[NABBA]

I think you know we can't dump NABBA NZ, as local shows are linked to NABBA NZ. My offsider has discussed it with you before.

The other thing is we're a little county and bodybuilding is not flooded with competitors. Sure, we can set up another federation to go with the 3 we already have, and see numbers twindle even more in athletes, sponsors and audience members as there are only so many competitors to go around. Also, though I appeciate where the top level athletes are coming from, we have to address the needs of the novices and newbees out there - growing the numbers of competitors in NZ is probably important as without new people coming into the sport, it will die - regardless of what federations are here or whom they affliated to.

I appreciate the National Amateur Body Builders Association World Fitness Federation (NABBA WFF) is a different organisation to NABBA and is run differently. More power to you - that's great, but I do think flooding our somewhat tiny market with another fed, another set of rules, another bunch of $$ to find to run the shows, etc is a bit of overkill. And we as NABBA local cannot split from our parent company and affiliate ourselves to another.

I have no problem with any athlete competiting in any federation, here, nationally etc. It would be great if NABBA WFF could offer top level NZ athletes an opportunity to qualify and compete in NABBA WFF UK if they wish. That could be an option??

[Outlaw53]

You are in an awkward position.

It's great to build up the numbers in the sport by pushing hard for new and up and coming competitors, but when they become good enough to compete Internationally then they will experience the same disappointments as your long-time experienced athletes have done.

They too will then move on to another federation in order to compete overseas.

In effect you are actually grooming bodybuilders for other federations.

It's a vicious circle that you are caught in.

It appears with the exception of one or two stubborn people, everyone in NZ wants to see change.

There must be something that can be done?

[trainharder]

well it isnt the real Nabba any way , oh well never mind. I think it is way over due for someone new to take over the reigns of nabba , i bought this up years ago . but alas to no avail. ol pitty is still running it and wearing the same white jacket to the nationals. It amuses me how people can make a judgment they know little about , believe me the officials are not in it for the love of the sport , they do quite well out of it while the competitors suffer,cheap accommodation and air fairs good on them.

Love it! I'm an "official" and trust me mate, I'm not making any money out of it - no cheap trip, no cheap accomadation - nothing. Hell, I don't even get a free lunch the day of the show, the Wellington Books are well and truely open! I believe we made $1.76 last year. Wooo hooo, that's sitting in the kitty for this year.

It amuses me how people can make a judgment they know little about

All our money goes back to the athletes. You are more than welcome to come along and help out, see how we do things in Wellington, as you are making a judgement.

I am in it for the love of the sport, as are all of the local officials who volunteer their time to run local shows.

When Jim decides to retire, the successful incumbant will make whatever decisions they feel are right for NABBA NZ, the sport nationally and internationally. Whomever that is I would hate to be in their shoes, because you will be damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Inyan

Wellington NABBA

Inyan i dont think hawks was taking a personal attack at you or other local officials he was aiming his criticism at the president of nabba nz

its obvious you are very passionate about contributing to the local success of nabba and bodybuilding as is Grego and others who are having their say.

why is it that you say when Jim decides to retire will there be someone new who can make fresh decisions isnt there an election process every 2 years or so i wish i could be in charge of a company or organisation where i can be in charge for life with no chance of being given the boot even if everyone doesnt agree with the direction im taking and if my motives are purely selfish. put my name down for Jims job if it ever comes up okay.

i have done 2 comps myself so not that many but this year will do ifbb and nabba localy as i have no preference but if i was ever good enough to compete internationaly i would definitely go down the ifbb road.

once again i dont think anyones disputing the good work you do and others they are merely voicing concern and frustration.

[musclenz]

I understand the NABBA World Championships in Kosice, Slovakia were held just this weekend (13 June 2009). No recession biting in there. Its also interesting to note that NABBA International are already acknowledging that

Australia / New Zealand / Oceania are grouped together under the Australian & International President, Graeme Lancefield's control. Fate has a wonderful way of deciding itself. :grin:

[Ann]

Inyan

Who says that you can't split from NABBA NZ? Yes you can. You know what you need to do and you know what can and should be done.

In all reality, do you, Greg and Neville really believe that the next exec meeting is going to have the positive outcome that everyone wants? No it won't. Lets be honest here. Jim Pitt will never relinquish the presidency - hell, that's pretty obvious. If he does, I'll be bloody surprised. I applaud all the hardwork that the Regional Organisers and their helpers do - shit - I wouldn't know where to start - so in that respect - congratulations as Nabba NZ is very lucky to have all you guys.

But in the end there's one thing that will happen if you don't toe the line with Mr Pitt - it's called "The Boot" - if you don't adhere to it - that's what you're going to be given. Don't believe it - let me know about the executive meeting once it's all done 'n' dusted.

Matey I've been around this sport too bloody long to know that its all political. People kissing other peoples arses just to place well in a show. Sponsors of shows (and their athletes) being given 1st, 2nd and 3rd placings in more than one class - due to companies being the main sponsors and Nabba Judges being given the "see ya later" card handed to them because the Nabba NZ President, doesn't like being told what to do!!!

If you and the rest of the guys can clean this crap up - then that's going to be awesome. Good luck to you - I wish you all the best.

By the way - if your reading this Mr Pitt - its about time you left!

[Grego]

Inyan

Who says that you can't split from NABBA NZ? Yes you can. You know what you need to do and you know what can and should be done.

In all reality, do you, Greg and Neville really believe that the next exec meeting is going to have the positive outcome that everyone wants? No it won't. Lets be honest here. Jim Pitt will never relinquish the presidency - hell, that's pretty obvious. If he does, I'll be bloody surprised. I applaud all the hardwork that the Regional Organisers and their helpers do - shit - I wouldn't know where to start - so in that respect - congratulations as Nabba NZ is very lucky to have all you guys.

But in the end there's one thing that will happen if you don't toe the line with Mr Pitt - it's called "The Boot" - if you don't adhere to it - that's what you're going to be given. Don't believe it - let me know about the executive meeting once it's all done 'n' dusted.

Matey I've been around this sport too bloody long to know that its all political. People kissing other peoples arses just to place well in a show. Sponsors of shows (and their athletes) being given 1st, 2nd and 3rd placings in more than one class - due to companies being the main sponsors and Nabba Judges being given the "see ya later" card handed to them because the Nabba NZ President, doesn't like being told what to do!!!

If you and the rest of the guys can clean this crap up - then that's going to be awesome. Good luck to you - I wish you all the best.

By the way - if your reading this Mr Pitt - its about time you left!

Hi Ann

I know what you mean on all those points. With my short time in this sport, I am unlikely to be able to "re-invent the wheel", but I have a strong voice and opinion (as we have already encountered) so can only do my best I guess.

I know where you are coming from with controversial decisions. I have heard a few stories involving funny decision making also while on my quest to be ignorant to the poiltics (I FAILED! :pfft: ). You've mentioned on another thread you were at the HB show last year. Mr HB Athletic was the most amateur poser I have seen yet still got the title! No disrespect to his physique; with that he deserved the win. It wouldn't have made my position better, it was out of him and Andrew. But if the posing doesn't matter, all we should do is go up on stage - here I am this is it - then leave the stage! Anyway....

Leaving aside the international competitions and affiliation for just a moment, there is a lot of time spent by Jim and Marianne doing what they do on a national level, and most have agreed on this thread, that the NABBA NZ competitions are well run and enjoyable. Sure so far this year we have had a couple of competitions smaller than we would like, but that is relative to other years and under the current situation, who knows if it is just a show of the times.

One doesn't need to be a Regional Rep to know that there will be a lot of coin coming out of Jim and Marianne's back pocket to boost things too; that in itself requires some serious heart and dedication. This is where I don't think others would be happy to do in a similar role. I know if the HB Champs don't do well (though it is looking good again this year already), that the short fall will likely to be taken up by them like in 2006.

It's almost a scenario of dammed if you do, damned if you don't.

Looking at the International affiliation scenario though, same deal; surely there will be fees associated with being affiliated to NABBA UK and there isn't likely to be the money for that.

I believe that you are all correct; there needs to be change.

For me, I know now that I am becoming more competitive as I grow into the sport, there needs to be a light at the end of the tunnel over and above the National competitions and at the moment there isn't that much in the way of faith doing this with NABBA NZ.

Greg

[NABBA Nev]

Well done Inyan, Grego and Agent86 for your input on this topic.

Rather than go over old ground with the political view points on everyone, I have to agree with that local shows are a priority in order to bring new athletes into this sport we all love and enjoy.

Internationally....yes, there are issues. As a member of the NABBA Wellington Committee, and as Inyan has already mentioned, we do raise these concerns with NABBA NZ HO. We believe that there maybe wheels turning so will see eventuates. In the meantime...it's Full Steam ahead for the regional shows and the NABBA Wellington Champs this year will be a doozy!

Oh and Inyan....I'm STILL not putting my nose into the political arena where I can avoid it! :wink:

NABBA Wellington, Putting Athletes First!

[Grego]

Well done Inyan, Grego and Agent86 for your input on this topic.

Rather than go over old ground with the political view points on everyone, I have to agree with that local shows are a priority in order to bring new athletes into this sport we all love and enjoy.

Internationally....yes, there are issues. As a member of the NABBA Wellington Committee, and as Inyan has already mentioned, we do raise these concerns with NABBA NZ HO. We believe that there maybe wheels turning so will see eventuates. In the meantime...it's Full Steam ahead for the regional shows and the NABBA Wellington Champs this year will be a doozy!

Oh and Inyan....I'm STILL not putting my nose into the political arena where I can avoid it! :wink:

NABBA Wellington, Putting Athletes First!

Go Nev!

Your first post on the way to mass addiction!!!! 8)

too right mate, at least we have the ability to directly influence the regional shows, and with the rest; I'm with you - who knows without trying (again?).

Will I see you guys at the meeting at BOP?

Grego

[hawks]

well it isnt the real Nabba any way , oh well never mind. I think it is way over due for someone new to take over the reigns of nabba , i bought this up years ago . but alas to no avail. ol pitty is still running it and wearing the same white jacket to the nationals. It amuses me how people can make a judgment they know little about , believe me the officials are not in it for the love of the sport , they do quite well out of it while the competitors suffer,cheap accommodation and air fairs good on them.

Love it! I'm an "official" and trust me mate, I'm not making any money out of it - no cheap trip, no cheap accomadation - nothing. Hell, I don't even get a free lunch the day of the show, the Wellington Books are well and truely open! I believe we made $1.76 last year. Wooo hooo, that's sitting in the kitty for this year.

It amuses me how people can make a judgment they know little about

All our money goes back to the athletes. You are more than welcome to come along and help out, see how we do things in Wellington, as you are making a judgement.

I am in it for the love of the sport, as are all of the local officials who volunteer their time to run local shows.

When Jim decides to retire, the successful incumbant will make whatever decisions they feel are right for NABBA NZ, the sport nationally and internationally. Whomever that is I would hate to be in their shoes, because you will be damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Inyan

Wellington NABBA

Inyan i dont think hawks was taking a personal attack at you or other local officials he was aiming his criticism at the president of nabba nz

its obvious you are very passionate about contributing to the local success of nabba and bodybuilding as is Grego and others who are having their say.

why is it that you say when Jim decides to retire will there be someone new who can make fresh decisions isnt there an election process every 2 years or so i wish i could be in charge of a company or organisation where i can be in charge for life with no chance of being given the boot even if everyone doesnt agree with the direction im taking and if my motives are purely selfish. put my name down for Jims job if it ever comes up okay.

i have done 2 comps myself so not that many but this year will do ifbb and nabba localy as i have no preference but if i was ever good enough to compete internationaly i would definitely go down the ifbb road.

once again i dont think anyones disputing the good work you do and others they are merely voicing concern and frustration.

exactly my man , there are alot of guys and gals that put in a awesome job at the regional shows , like lianne and alex they used to run the north harbour and by all accounts an awesome show , they have both given it up and are now going to auss to compete , what does that tell you , need i spell it out. The head of nabba in this country is making a mess of it and have little respect for its athletes. that is not saying the local officials dont do a good job , they do as far as i am concerned an awesome job for little reward.I have been involved in the sport for 25 years and i have seen shows dwindle as well as the quality of builds go backward , guys and gals that do the hard yards and present a wicked build on stage should be rewarded , but all you get is a 2 dollar trophy and a bit of self worth that you have done well .common lets get this sport rocking again , why cant we get aligned with the real nabba , it would be good for the sport in this country , oh and there worlds dont get canceled .hehehe

[-tOOn-]

Hey peeps felt it time to log in and have a quick word.

NABBA NZ is not fake it is the real deal

NABBA Aus is actually trading as Natural Amateur Bodybuiding Association

The Outlaw is spamming you so he can boost his show content of NZers check out his input and you will see that it relates to "his Show"

NABBA NZ is the real deal I was there at the NABBA 2000 Universe Delegates meeting in Southport England at my own cost.

All wording is of a Australian propoganda about or against Joe who was and still is the Official World Rep

NABBA is not a federation therefore it does not go as under those guidelines it is an association and is incorporated.

I can confrim that there is another group who run a worlds and that group also runs WFF world fitness federation

The original NABBA was and always has been NABBA UK the events that run under this banner have been altered to look like they still have control

NABBA germany organiser Klaus and Irish delegate have done the damage not NABBA NZ

Maybe it time for Ozzies to keep to there own stuff locally and let NZ get on with there stuff locally

All outlaw has confirmed is that he is trying to damage a great sport for his own means give it up if NZers wish to compete any where in the world NABBA NZ say go for it so whats the beef??? dunno seems to me a show organiser has set in motion his own agenda

NZers are intelligent peeps let them decide where they compete and for what reasons they do so.

Come on peeps Bodybuilding is Bodybuilding.

[musclenz]

Well regardless of who has "control" many top Bodybuilders who are "intelligent" are choosing to compete with NABBA Australia & qualify in Sydney on Oct 11 for the NABBA Universe in London on 24 Oct. End of Story.

[Outlaw53]

Hey peeps felt it time to log in and have a quick word.

NABBA NZ is not fake it is the real deal

NABBA Aus is actually trading as Natural Amateur Bodybuiding Association

The Outlaw is spamming you so he can boost his show content of NZers check out his input and you will see that it relates to "his Show"

NABBA NZ is the real deal I was there at the NABBA 2000 Universe Delegates meeting in Southport England at my own cost.

All wording is of a Australian propoganda about or against Joe who was and still is the Official World Rep

NABBA is not a federation therefore it does not go as under those guidelines it is an association and is incorporated.

I can confrim that there is another group who run a worlds and that group also runs WFF world fitness federation

The original NABBA was and always has been NABBA UK the events that run under this banner have been altered to look like they still have control

NABBA germany organiser Klaus and Irish delegate have done the damage not NABBA NZ

Maybe it time for Ozzies to keep to there own stuff locally and let NZ get on with there stuff locally

All outlaw has confirmed is that he is trying to damage a great sport for his own means give it up if NZers wish to compete any where in the world NABBA NZ say go for it so whats the beef??? dunno seems to me a show organiser has set in motion his own agenda

NZers are intelligent peeps let them decide where they compete and for what reasons they do so.

Come on peeps Bodybuilding is Bodybuilding.

You have no idea mate.

I am not on here to damage the sport for my own needs, quite the opposite in fact, and if you took the time to read my posts you would understand that.

The facts are that Joe Lopez runs the "fake NABBA", only a complete moron can't see that!

Where are the results for the last two Lopez World Championships?

This is not a legitimate federation, it's a joke.

A joke that has cost NZ bodybuilders time, money and heartache.

What kind of federation sends its competitors a text message the week before the show to say that it is cancelled?

I have never openly sought NZ bodybuilders to do the Country Classic.

They just found it themselves and spread the word.

I now keep them up to date with the dates, but thats it.

Alex and Leanne do a great job pumping up the show for me, I don't need to do it.

Perhaps you should come over and have a look.

At least it won't get cancelled like "fake" NABBA has the last two years.

In case you are unaware I am not a NABBA promoter.

In fact I have nothing to do with NABBA over here.

I am an independent promoter who also judges with IFBB and ANB over here in Aust.

I hate politics in bodybuilding, I am only interested in the competitors, not the federations or promoters.

How is "fake" NABBA doing anything positive for the sport?

You obviously couldn't care less about the competitors at all.

The real NABBA Universe is held in the UK, and has been since the 40's or 50's.

I dunno what that thing is that Joe runs, but it's not the real one.

Arnold didn't win this comp, neither did Park, Reeves or Zane.

Wake up fool.

How can you have a World championship with only 3 countries competing?

[-tOOn-]

yup okay you carry on with your condemnation of others it sums up the person behind the writing.

Run your show get on with your independant show judge for IFBB and ANB and leave it at that Im no fool I was there I heard what was said there on the day so I know what I am saying.

I care about the athletes I also know that they have always had options to compete any where else in the world so it no issue where they compete as to going on and on about this issue it only brings you down stop while you can before it ruins your rep as a promoter.

People can get on with there lives it not going to end them maybe make em stronger but not end there world.

If you are not into politics why start the campaign?

If you are not into promoting your own show thats dumb.

I know who you speak of they had a good time in the NZ events as promoters and competitors and did very well so why would athletes start giving it a bad name cause you have given half truths, I was in the meeting I heard and saw what was said and done to Joe it was BS a fake set up was already in control and still is the WFF and NABBA are meant to be sepreate not the same go see a show in oz and it runs both events at the same venue what that would be called is fake.

The logo was changed in oz cause Joe has legal right to use the NABBA logo and name ask NABBA.com.au they will confirm this.

If you want athletes to compete treat them as such and ask them without all the propoganda. Nuff said

[agent86]

You can argue as much as you like but the fact is that New Zealand NABBA is in a crisis situation as there are no countries affiliated with us any more hence the cancelled competitions. It has gone beyond the question of who is right and who is wrong and is getting near hard decision time.

There is a Nabba AGM this weekend so lets see what happens there. You never know what might happen.

[luv.me.oats]

all the more reason to head over to Australia to compete, and believe me they know how run smooth professional show, awesome promotoers and those associated with the shows, friendly competitors too - can't wait to do it all again.

[Outlaw53]

yup okay you carry on with your condemnation of others it sums up the person behind the writing.

Run your show get on with your independant show judge for IFBB and ANB and leave it at that Im no fool I was there I heard what was said there on the day so I know what I am saying.

I care about the athletes I also know that they have always had options to compete any where else in the world so it no issue where they compete as to going on and on about this issue it only brings you down stop while you can before it ruins your rep as a promoter.

People can get on with there lives it not going to end them maybe make em stronger but not end there world.

If you are not into politics why start the campaign?

If you are not into promoting your own show thats dumb.

I know who you speak of they had a good time in the NZ events as promoters and competitors and did very well so why would athletes start giving it a bad name cause you have given half truths, I was in the meeting I heard and saw what was said and done to Joe it was BS a fake set up was already in control and still is the WFF and NABBA are meant to be sepreate not the same go see a show in oz and it runs both events at the same venue what that would be called is fake.

The logo was changed in oz cause Joe has legal right to use the NABBA logo and name ask NABBA.com.au they will confirm this.

If you want athletes to compete treat them as such and ask them without all the propoganda. Nuff said

You are more delusional and dumber than I first thought.

You are going into bat for a federation/promoter who has cancelled his World Championships at the last minute for the last two years.

The excuses have been bogus, the real truth is no bastard was showing up to either show.

I don't see NABBA UK cancelling their shows.

They have been going for the last 50yrs and will continue to do so for the next 50yrs.

Joe's comp is dead and deservedly so.

Why would you get on here and pump-up a federation/promoter who has been unable to get a show off the ground for the last two years due to lack of interest.

I am only condemning Joe and his "fake" NABBA, not NABBA NZ. I have simply be suggesting, (albeit very strongly) that NABBA NZ wake-up and dump "fake" NABBA to stop any further heartache for their NZ competitors.

How many more shows need to be cancelled with a week or two's notice before something is done?

I couldn't care less what people think of me as a promoter, if I did I wouldn't bother posting here.

My concern is for the athletes, not the federations

NZ bodybuilders are getting shafted by Joe's "fake" NABBA, a situation which you are obviously satisfied and comfortable with.

You are condoning his actions which speaks volumes for your character.

Even members from the NABBA NZ committee have expressed their concern and disappointment with Joe's performance.

Joe was booted out of NABBA because his time in jail was deemed to have brought shame to the NABBA organisation.

As for the whole NABBA/WFF thing, I agree, its a complete mess.

I'm not sure what to make of it but the fact remains NABBA UK run Universe and World comps every year whereas Joe hasn't been able to run one for the last two years.

Why should NZ bodybuilders be encouraged to train for a comp that has been cancelled for the last two years?

How is it political to want NZ competitors to compete at a World championships that will 100% be on, rather than to train for a non-existent show?

If you say that you care about the athletes then why support Joe, he obviously doesn't care.

Your argument for the NZ bodybuilders who got ripped-off is that it doesn't matter, it will just make them stronger?

What the f*ck is that!!

The only one with a political agenda is you, not me.

I am simply warning all NZ bodybuilders not to trust Joe or prepare for one of his shows.

You are doing your best to make out that Joe is the Savior and that we should all support him - why?

So he can cancel another World championship at the last minute.

In hindsight I would like to retract my comment about you being a fool, you are more than just a fool, you are a complete fucking idiot!

[musclenz]

And who thought this thread was dead & buried?

[Ann]

Now Outtie

I wouldn't even bother wasting my breath with this complete moron who obviously doesn't know what he is talking about.

Carry on with your show mate - the CCI is going to be great, as always. From what I have heard it is one of the best shows around. From coverage of the show, to the prizes, guest posers and the rest there is nothing more that a competitive bb could ask for mate and you do turn it on for them - which is fantastic. By the way I managed to nick the recent copy of your Hardcore Magazine with Justin on the front cover - wicked!!! :pfft:

Not long to go now - Aug 1st - I hope that you have started shining up the silverware for our kiwi's!!! \:D/

[-tOOn-]

Brave words Ann u stick it to them girl it so nice to see a complete novice act so inspiring to others well done. :clap:

OUtlaw is your show a true stand alone independant show with no other organisations no sanctions no affiliations involved or are you not telling the whole story to the public!!! :naughty:

Im done in ere I have read posts made and figure that it better to move on as there is an element of writers who have all the answers to the issues raised. :roll:

[Ann]

Oh Toon ...... so many words in how to describe you - but why bother. By the way - learn how to spell, is ERE a word!! :clap: The only novice here is you - a novice in the art of the English language!

[Outlaw53]

Brave words Ann u stick it to them girl it so nice to see a complete novice act so inspiring to others well done. :clap:

OUtlaw is your show a true stand alone independant show with no other organisations no sanctions no affiliations involved or are you not telling the whole story to the public!!! :naughty:

Im done in ere I have read posts made and figure that it better to move on as there is an element of writers who have all the answers to the issues raised. :roll:

Is that the best comeback you've you weak prick?

You haven't had the balls to respond to anything.

I have responded to all of your points but you don't offer the same courtesy, probably because you can't.

The best you can do is attempt to put my show down.

Feel free to keep trying moron.

There is no secret that the CCI has an IFBB sanction.

This is the only way that I can retain the services of Tony Doherty who is easily the best bodybuilding emcee on the planet.

It also allows me access to IFBB Pros for Guest Posing appearances any time I like.

So far 3 IFBB Pros have Guest Posed at the CCI.

The IFBB sanction my show, they don't run it.

The CCI is a Hardcore Muscle Promotion show.

HMP owns the name, not the IFBB.

Therefore I can run the show in any way I please.

I don't have to have 27 classes and I judge the posing round in Figure, unlike the IFBB.

Officials and dignitaries from IFBB, NABBA, INBA & ANB are all recognised by Tony Doherty at the start of the show and their names are printed in my official program which describes their position in each federation.

The INBA Head Judge and the Victorian ANB promoter have been working my backstage area for the last 3yrs and will be doing so again this year.

INBA Australian president Tony Lanciano always attends the show and NABBA QLD promoter Mark Ryan will be another face in the crowd too.

No one over here considers the CCI to be anything but totally independent show.

Barring the Pro show, I don't know of any competition in Australia that attracts promoters from all 4 federations.

(I even have a promoter from WNBF coming this year!!)

The CCI is considered to be the peoples/competitors show, there is no bullshit politics involved.

Yes, I've got all the answers, unlike yourself who gets on here anonymously and supports a federation that hasn't had a world championships for two years.

Perhaps you could explain this?

Why have the last 2 "fake" NABBA championships been cancelled at the last minute?

I have answered all of your question, how about you do the same or is the question too hard?

Seriously, your last response was just pathetic, no wonder you remain anonymous, I'd be too embarrassed to put my name to that post too.

[agent86]

t00n, I hope you are not on the existing NABBA executive because if you are then we have no hope. Your grammar is terrible with sentences not being part of your beliefs and spelling of a 5 year old. You seem very confused and don't seem to get your point across. If it is your hatred of Outlaw then you are misguided as there are many New Zealanders who agree with his stance.

You are trying to defend the undefendable as events have overtaken you. The competitors do not gain strength by believing in a non existent competition.

Ann was actually referring to you as the "Moron". This International competition thing only affects a small group of competitors but it is the ultimate goal to which they aspire. Take that away from them and sit on your selfish ass because of some personality issues and there are are group of really pissed off people.

But who gives a toss if NABBA New Zealand carry on blindly as most competitors are going through Australia anyway. As I have said would you diet for a show for 4 months to have it cancelled. Obviously your answer is "Yes", because it makes the Peeps stronger. Bullshit!

[musclenz]

Brave words Ann u stick it to them girl it so nice to see a complete novice act so inspiring to others well done. :clap:

OUtlaw is your show a true stand alone independant show with no other organisations no sanctions no affiliations involved or are you not telling the whole story to the public!!! :naughty:

Im done in ere I have read posts made and figure that it better to move on as there is an element of writers who have all the answers to the issues raised. :roll:

Is that the best comeback you've you weak prick?

You haven't had the balls to respond to anything.

I have responded to all of your points but you don't offer the same courtesy, probably because you can't.

The best you can do is attempt to put my show down.

Feel free to keep trying moron.

There is no secret that the CCI has an IFBB sanction.

This is the only way that I can retain the services of Tony Doherty who is easily the best bodybuilding emcee on the planet.

It also allows me access to IFBB Pros for Guest Posing appearances any time I like.

So far 3 IFBB Pros have Guest Posed at the CCI.

The IFBB sanction my show, they don't run it.

The CCI is a Hardcore Muscle Promotion show.

HMP owns the name, not the IFBB.

Therefore I can run the show in any way I please.

I don't have to have 27 classes and I judge the posing round in Figure, unlike the IFBB.

Officials and dignitaries from IFBB, NABBA, INBA & ANB are all recognised by Tony Doherty at the start of the show and their names are printed in my official program which describes their position in each federation.

The INBA Head Judge and the Victorian ANB promoter have been working my backstage area for the last 3yrs and will be doing so again this year.

INBA Australian president Tony Lanciano always attends the show and NABBA QLD promoter Mark Ryan will be another face in the crowd too.

No one over here considers the CCI to be anything but totally independent show.

Barring the Pro show, I don't know of any competition in Australia that attracts promoters from all 4 federations.

(I even have a promoter from WNBF coming this year!!)

The CCI is considered to be the peoples/competitors show, there is no bullshit politics involved.

Yes, I've got all the answers, unlike yourself who gets on here anonymously and supports a federation that hasn't had a world championships for two years.

Perhaps you could explain this?

Why have the last 2 "fake" NABBA championships been cancelled at the last minute?

I have answered all of your question, how about you do the same or is the question too hard?

Seriously, your last response was just pathetic, no wonder you remain anonymous, I'd be too embarrassed to put my name to that post too.

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I still thinking about that marriage proposal :pfft: :pfft:

[Pseudonym]

A little less name-calling, please guys. :naughty: