Endocrinologist SLASH Bodybuilder!?

[BodySculpt]

Hey Guys,

the more I learn about gear and hormones the more confused I become!

I see being on cycle as a no brainer, you take ur gear and you eat like a mofo.. to sum breifly.

now PCT is what really f***s me over physiologically and intellectually.. thats when the muscle wasting occurrs...

there is HCG SERM'S AI's high protein intake.. high calorie intake etc etc etc some people use a natty test booster as well.

but there is still muscle wasting! for some people, like myself.. its not even worth it!

It would be great o have a chat with an Endo / bodybuilder

I think the main problem is muscle wasting after the AAS is dropped anyway.. question is with all these meds at our disposal it still occurrs

ANY IDEAS GUYS!?

can anyone relate?

[BodySculpt]

forgot to mention insulin and GH these also helf to alleviate muscle wasting during PCT..

perhaps I could run an effective PCT with little muscle wasting but it would probably end up costing over a $1000 in ancillaries...? i.e. GH, Natty Test booster, AI, SERM's, Protein, EFA's..

there's other stuff like Naltrexone wich keeps the Pituatary firing LH ON cycle PCT and OFF cycle..

its all very confusing, most of us cant afford to run all of this stuff for PCT and then theres the other lucky ones whos nuts come back online and test levels normalise in 4 weeks! of which im soo jealous..

[BodySculpt]

Then there's stress hormones like Cortisol how much does that impact when on PCT and OFF cycle.. these can be elevated.

very confused!

[musclenz]

How much do you normally lose after a cycle? Without knowing what your cycles look like & what you do for PCT, post cycle training, nutrition & supplements, its very hard to be specific as to where you might be going wrong if indeed you are. Its the old story - every body responds differently to gear & PCT drugs & protocols, so you need to find what best works for you. All of the ancillaries & peptides work that you mentioned although I'm not familiar with Naltrexone being used as a LH stimulator. As you mentioned its not only the physiological problems you encounter but the psychological issues in the head that can be as destructive.

I Am not an Endocrinologist

I Am a Shaman

[BodySculpt]

god dam it, i posted a lengthy reply and it got lost somehow.. doh! will post again tomoro...

[BodySculpt]

your statement seems to be exactly the case eh. one ancillary may work for one person but not the other???

I will usually loose all the gains i made on cycle during PCT perhaps more... i then bounce back after about 6 weeks. if im lucky i'll end up at the weight i was before i started the cycle...

ive run a a few PCT's, initially it was the typical Nolva 40 40 20 20, also tried clomid/nolva and toremifiene.

it is pretty hard to explain my predicament i must say...

im gonna try str8 clomid for PCT next time, with an AI (exemestane) 12.5mg 25mg a day during cycle and PCT. also taper the test.

cant afford to go thru this muscle wasting business again tho!? :-s its gotta be worth it, at least a couple of keepable kilos??

How much do you normally lose after a cycle? Without knowing what your cycles look like & what you do for PCT, post cycle training, nutrition & supplements, its very hard to be specific as to where you might be going wrong if indeed you are. Its the old story - every body responds differently to gear & PCT drugs & protocols, so you need to find what best works for you. All of the ancillaries & peptides work that you mentioned although I'm not familiar with Naltrexone being used as a LH stimulator. As you mentioned its not only the physiological problems you encounter but the psychological issues in the head that can be as destructive.

I Am not an Endocrinologist

I Am a Shaman

[Hone]

I use to use hcg while on cycle and up to the start of my PCT which consisted of clomid and nolva and was happy with the gains I kept. I think it is fairly common to lose a bit of weight and strength when you come off a cycle but not to lose all your gains which you seem to be experiencing.

I now cruise on 250mgs of test each week which I am finding to be very good. Have kept all my gains and strength from the cycle and expect them to increase a little before my next cycle

Like musclenz says would be good to see what type of compounds you have been using for your cycle. If you are taking stuff like oxy tablets which gives you a rapid strength and weight increase but you will lose most of it when you come off as it is largely water retention.

I have tried a fair few different compounds and now favour the injectable ones that give me not a huge increase in weight or strength but the gains I do get are solid gains that don't drop off. Could be a case of trying different things and see what works for you.

An Endocrinologist? shit mate I don't even know what that means!

[BodySculpt]

withdrew.

[BodySculpt]

compounds on cycle in the past thus far are:

Test P

Test E

EQ

DECA (way tooo suppressive)

also var, tbol (although gains on tbol were minimum the libido was great)

and adex on one occassion.

next cycle at a much later date is going to be Test C with dbol and an AI throughout.

Im not going back on umtil my hormones are stable.

[musclenz]

Yeah get your levels stable now Bro. You can do this with good nutrition, hard training & supps like Trib, zinc, maybe a test booster. You can also utilise an AI like Arimidex .5mg EOD or half strength Femara 1.25mg EOD if you feel your estro levels are elevated off cycle. Of course the only real way to determine this is by bloods. Then when you cycle again I would only use AI's as above if required or if you are particularly gyno prone. Now although NOlva has been the mainstay of BBing PCT for many years, it can be quite a destructive drug in respect to its negative effect on GH & IGF in the body. So although it is reasonably good at controlling some estrogen buildup (it is selective) it does have an almost catabolic effect in some of its actions. So now we prefer to use Aromatase Inhibitors which actually blocks estrogen synthesis at the ER. What I would suggest to you is use an AI (Aromasin) in the early stages of PCT & then a SERM or a lower strength AI (Nolva 20mg or Arimidex) to avoid rebound. You can slot in Hcg or Clomid in a short burst at the beginning to help kickstart LH & FSH.

[BodySculpt]

Yeah get your levels stable now Bro. You can do this with good nutrition, hard training & supps like Trib, zinc, maybe a test booster. You can also utilise an AI like Arimidex .5mg EOD or half strength Femara 1.25mg EOD if you feel your estro levels are elevated off cycle. Of course the only real way to determine this is by bloods. Then when you cycle again I would only use AI's as above if required or if you are particularly gyno prone. Now although NOlva has been the mainstay of BBing PCT for many years, it can be quite a destructive drug in respect to its negative effect on GH & IGF in the body. So although it is reasonably good at controlling some estrogen buildup (it is selective) it does have an almost catabolic effect in some of its actions. So now we prefer to use Aromatase Inhibitors which actually blocks estrogen synthesis at the ER. What I would suggest to you is use an AI (Aromasin) in the early stages of PCT & then a SERM or a lower strength AI (Nolva 20mg or Arimidex) to avoid rebound. You can slot in Hcg or Clomid in a short burst at the beginning to help kickstart LH & FSH.

hmmm good advice. am currently taking a test booster, will get bloods done in another couple of weeks. tempted to take some arimidex at .25ed for a while too. i think my endo test might be coming back, my weight has stopped dropping.

[BainTrain]

If you are taking stuff like oxy tablets which gives you a rapid strength and weight increase but you will lose most of it when you come off as it is largely water retention.

Hone, I think you may have mistaken oxandrolone tabs for dianabols....?

[musclenz]

If you are taking stuff like oxy tablets which gives you a rapid strength and weight increase but you will lose most of it when you come off as it is largely water retention.

Hone, I think you may have mistaken oxandrolone tabs for dianabols....?

Ha Ha 2guns. Have you not used Anadrol?

[BainTrain]

If you are taking stuff like oxy tablets which gives you a rapid strength and weight increase but you will lose most of it when you come off as it is largely water retention.

Hone, I think you may have mistaken oxandrolone tabs for dianabols....?

Ha Ha 2guns. Have you not used Anadrol?

OH! ok i thought he was referring to oxandrolone when he said oxy but obviously oxymetholone! my bad im losing my mind lol

yeah i have used some home brew anadrol capsules before. they were alright, i got bad stomach pains though.