STRENGTH

[Mrbig]

What do you consider strong?

For example thea are a couple of island dudes at my gym who are fairly huge nuffing under 105kg but they struggle to bench 50kg dumbells

Now I know bodybuilding isnt about strength but Ive seen guys who dont even scrape 90kg repping out 50kg dumbells

So if you can post up sum lifts and at what bodyweight and also what you consider strong

[1day]

guess it comes down to what the form is like too i rekon. ive seen sum big dudes doin big presses with dumbells and bb benching and there ass comes off the bench or they dont bring it all the way down. i think those dudes arnt as strong as they think they just liftin those weights to boost there ego more than get gains.

[trainharder]

yep i agree with 1 day

when someone says they can squat 200kgs but they dont even go very low i would think someone who reps out with 140 or 160 kgs and goes all the way down is stronger.

ive worked in with guys that swing so much doing back exersizes that most of the weight they lift is from momentum.

ive found now i just worry about the weights i lift and when people always ask "what can you bench mate" i say not that much.

i dont care what they bench because if its one rep with crap form i would think 8 good reps is better.

[manwithav8]

Strength is right here.. The angry ginga.. I can press 20kg dumbells so beat that lol... Jokes.

Agreed with above, if you can move big weight with poor form so what. If you can only move a little bit of weight with perfect form then I beleive its not only physical strength you have, its also mental. Your strong enough in the mind to worry about what your doing and not trying to keep up with the gorillas..

On the same note though, I have seen some guys move massive amounts of weight with good form in my gym, I tend to take a step back and admire. There is something about seeing an olympic bar bend that freaks me out.

One day I will get there.

[deeepsouth_nz]

Not about how much someone can move but how good their technique is, couple of examples.... (1) big guy in my gym (in upper body anyway) obviously on somethng because shocking technique and even then only lifts a fraction of what he should for his size....grunts and groans over nothing, f@$ks everyone off (2) guy comes over to me and Im squatting 110kg ATG and informs me I should be using a power rack in case I fail....thanks but not the best advice coming from him when he does all his squats (even warmup sets) with a bench behind him.

A true measure of strength / power is using a method of what is called allometric scaling - kinda like taking the olympic lifts that people might do and then scaling that lift relative to one's bodyweight.

[jmax88]

plus short as people can always lift way more due to short limbs and effectivly a shorter range of movement

[Mrbig]

plus short as people can always lift way more due to short limbs and effectivly a shorter range of movement

thats why I hate short people haha half the size twice the strength lil bastards :pfft:

[ApriliaRS]

plus short as people can always lift way more due to short limbs and effectivly a shorter range of movement

thats why I hate short people haha half the size twice the strength lil bastards :pfft:

Then why are all the top deadlifters in the world 6ft+? It's not about height, far more about proportion. Get your facts right. Jeez. And yeah, i'm 5'7" haha

[Optimass]

plus short as people can always lift way more due to short limbs and effectivly a shorter range of movement

Myth ....

Yes can be an advantage but not as a rule no.

I have seen Rueben De Jong incline press 200kg for 12 reps. He is 6' 10 inches and has a reach longer than some people are tall.

[SoaringSwine]

plus short as people can always lift way more due to short limbs and effectivly a shorter range of movement

Myth ....

Yes can be an advantage but not as a rule no.

I have seen Rueben De Jong incline press 200kg for 12 reps. He is 6' 10 inches and has a reach longer than some people are tall.

A short person (all other things equal) will move more than a tall person at the same weight.

But all other things are rarely equal .

[Mrbig]

yea but ruben is like 140kg and thats not fat so get sum1 at 5'5 at that weight and see wat they incline press

[AlBundy]

plus short as people can always lift way more due to short limbs and effectivly a shorter range of movement

thats why I hate short people haha half the size twice the strength lil bastards :pfft:

Then why are all the top deadlifters in the world 6ft+? It's not about height, far more about proportion. Get your facts right. Jeez. And yeah, i'm 5'7" haha

Deadlifts are the only one where height can be an advantage.

[SoaringSwine]

thats why I hate short people haha half the size twice the strength lil bastards :pfft:

Then why are all the top deadlifters in the world 6ft+? It's not about height, far more about proportion. Get your facts right. Jeez. And yeah, i'm 5'7" haha

Deadlifts are the only one where height can be an advantage.

It's more to do with leverages than height. Tall people just often have proportionally longer limbs. If you look at the best deadlifters of all time their height varies drastically:

Ed Coan

Konstantine Kostanovs

Andy Bolton

Lamar Gant

[ApriliaRS]

thats why I hate short people haha half the size twice the strength lil bastards :pfft:

Then why are all the top deadlifters in the world 6ft+? It's not about height, far more about proportion. Get your facts right. Jeez. And yeah, i'm 5'7" haha

Deadlifts are the only one where height can be an advantage.

Then you would assume all the top squatters would be short?

[Luigi]

[AlBundy]

Hmm it's to much to think about man basically it is build dependent. Some people just have better levers usually people with shorter limbs and thicker chests. That said it's not an absolute so many things factor in when it comes to pushing things but generally I believe shorter people are more powerful. You don't see many tall gymnasts or free runners.

[Optimass]

yea but ruben is like 140kg and thats not fat so get sum1 at 5'5 at that weight and see wat they incline press

Not sure a telly tubbie could bench the same as Rueben :pfft:

[Gym rat]

yea but ruben is like 140kg and thats not fat so get sum1 at 5'5 at that weight and see wat they incline press

Not sure a telly tubbie could bench the same as Rueben :pfft:

I would pay to see a telly tubbie bench the same as Rueben plus it would be good for a laugh or in other words :pfft: :pfft: :pfft: :pfft: :pfft: :pfft:

[musclenz]

The common definition of strength is the ability to exert a force against a resistance.

The classifications of strength are:

Maximum strength -the greatest force that is possible in a single maximum contraction

Elastic strength - the ability to overcome a resistance with a fast contraction

Strength endurance - the ability to express force many times over

Its all relevant to the situation. Compare the PLers in the above vids with this. Who is the strongest?

[Mrbig]

yea but ruben is like 140kg and thats not fat so get sum1 at 5'5 at that weight and see wat they incline press

Not sure a telly tubbie could bench the same as Rueben :pfft:

I dont know give tinkie winky some test and hgh you never know haha :clap:

[SoaringSwine]

High power to weight ratio FTW. That makes someone strong :notworthy:

NONONONONONONONONONOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

Power to weight is a stupid way to assess strength. BW --> strength is not linear. It's called the law of diminishing returns. Don't see many midgets in WSM.

[ApriliaRS]

High power to weight ratio FTW. That makes someone strong :notworthy:

NONONONONONONONONONOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

Power to weight is a stupid way to assess strength. BW --> strength is not linear. It's called the law of diminishing returns. Don't see many midgets in WSM.

Just wait till i'm 25

[SoaringSwine]

High power to weight ratio FTW. That makes someone strong :notworthy:

NONONONONONONONONONOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

Power to weight is a stupid way to assess strength. BW --> strength is not linear. It's called the law of diminishing returns. Don't see many midgets in WSM.

Just wait till i'm 25

You'll struggle stone loading when you can't reach the platform!!

I won't mention tyre flipping, as much as I own you at that, you waste me in OHP stuff.

In terms of strength I always considered the person who moves the most weight to be the strongest. Doesn't mean I respect smaller people moving a lot of weight any less. And re: core strength and BW exercises... Ninja Warrior is my favourite show on TV. But I consider that to be extremely atheletic rather than exteremely strong. Athleticism of course combining strength, speed, conditioning etc.

[ApriliaRS]

NONONONONONONONONONOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

Power to weight is a stupid way to assess strength. BW --> strength is not linear. It's called the law of diminishing returns. Don't see many midgets in WSM.

Just wait till i'm 25

You'll struggle stone loading when you can't reach the platform!!

I won't mention tyre flipping, as much as I own you at that, you waste me in OHP stuff.

In terms of strength I always considered the person who moves the most weight to be the strongest. Doesn't mean I respect smaller people moving a lot of weight any less. And re: core strength and BW exercises... Ninja Warrior is my favourite show on TV. But I consider that to be extremely atheletic rather than exteremely strong. Athleticism of course combining strength, speed, conditioning etc.

I'll just use my head. Or throw it on to the platform. And yeah, i will master the tyre one day - but up till then you can brag about that. And yeah, agree with you on the fact that strength is strength not matter how much you weigh.

[gazza]

what about the frumpy housewife that lifts the burning car up cos her child is trapped underneath it?? a rush of adrenalin can be pretty powerful. heaps of cases around the world where people have performed feats of strength in extraordinary situations.