Thermogenics

[Pumpupthejam]

could someone tell me alittle about this product, if it is worth getting etc and if you have used it...and if so did it work etc. Cheers.

[Android]

Thermogenics used to be for sale in NZ, it's products that heat up your body's temperature. But then they got banned so the manufacturers re-formulated fat loss supplements without these ingredients and held onto the name "Thermogenics". None actually are thermogenic here in NZ or Australia.

[nicksmith3]

Import buddy.

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[Pumpupthejam]

Thermogenics used to be for sale in NZ, it's products that heat up your body's temperature. But then they got banned so the manufacturers re-formulated fat loss supplements without these ingredients and held onto the name "Thermogenics". None actually are thermogenic here in NZ or Australia.

Have you tried it? any good?

[Optimass]

Thermogenics used to be for sale in NZ, it's products that heat up your body's temperature. But then they got banned so the manufacturers re-formulated fat loss supplements without these ingredients and held onto the name "Thermogenics". None actually are thermogenic here in NZ or Australia.

Have you tried it? any good?

IMO - some of the products formulated today are way more effective than the ECA stack.

[Construction Soldier]

I spose thats time & technology advancing, eh optimas?

so, could you recommend a specific brand/stack that you've had results,or know that works?

By the way, saw your blog and looking foward to the results! will be awsome im sure.

[Pseudonym]

None actually are thermogenic here in NZ or Australia.

Are the ginger/cayenne pepper formulations not considered thermogenic? They're supposed to heat the body.

[Android]

None actually are thermogenic here in NZ or Australia.

Are the ginger/cayenne pepper formulations not considered thermogenic? They're supposed to heat the body.

yes sorry, they are, as are bitter orange, capsicum, caffeine and ephedra.

I liken "Thermogenic" herbal supplements as effective as "Anabolic" Ecdysterone supplements...the lowest and slowest way to get from A to B.

The old fat-burners were much much better, heard that it was common for "speed" freaks to buy them when they couldn't get the real thing, I doubt they buy capsicum and ginger herbal remedies these days :-)

Optimass do you know ECA stack is not as effective? I've never done it but from what I have heard even today Pros try and get hold of it and opt for Winny and Clen as a fallback. Why would they bother if a bottle of herbal remedies was better?

[Optimass]

Absoultely Android. I'm of the same opinion and have experience with both. I would use a thermo these days more to ensure I am fully amped for a workout right through a low calorie phase or cutting phase. Although I have never competed on cycle - (pretty much given up competition before making that choice) - winnie and clem definately give a great result. IMO winnie is so mild it should be re-classified to a lower grade.

I haven't used t3/t4 before - I am just nervous about being the unlucky person that becomes dependant on them to maintain a metabolism. But I have seen other trainers using them with great success. HGH also - havent been there either as I don't want to fukc around with insulin etc. (Just my personal preference).

Having said that the best fat burn IMO is "exercise". Intersting that many bbuilders swear by them for fat burn based on the condition they come in at. But fail to identify that as a result of them increasing their exercise output, lowered their calories and in some cases dramatically change the composition of their diets, as being the key driver behind their conditioning. Doing all of this creates a significant "change in state" for your body. Dependant on how strict your plan is - if you are struggling with focus during workouts or energy for daily function I think a thermo adds more benefit there.

One of the most effective tablet thermo I have tried was duramine - (this is going back aways) - this is a prescription drug - basically it's speed and was readily administered as a treatment for obesity over a decade ago - but it can be addictive. It used to be as easy as walking into to your GPs office and telling them you had put on a couple extra kg and you were worried about the fat around your waist ... no proble take these :roll:

When i first started competing you could buy Ephedrine HCL - pharmacutical grade for about $25 for 100 tabs. Remembering HCL is actually thermogenic / pseudo isn't/ although I think it may be after you cook it ... i.e meth "P". Armed with a bottle of HCL - an asprin and a strong esspresso or some nodoze and you could feel your b/fat melting away - but you still had to do the cardio with it or it didn't really work the same as Duramine.

Also around in those days were the Twin Lab products with Mau huang. Herbal ephedrine - worked the same as the ECA as it had willow bark and a few other ingredients that worked to raise your body temp and thin your blood. The best product I had used was on a trip to Cali to see my wife who was nursing over there at the time - as soon as i got off the plane i went to a GNC and got a bottle of extra strength Xenadrine - and they were strong as!

Since the Ephedrine has been banned there have been a mixed bag of products released but to be honest in some cases you may as well have been having an underated party pill. i.e nothing beats the real thing.

Although I have used the following products and rate them for keeping you going when diets are hard ...

LIPO6 / Xenadrine / Thermonex BSN / Stacker 3 ... I'm sure there are other good ones out there but it pays to test some out and see how you go as some seem to work better for different people. The stronger the better in my book - nothing makes the time on your treadmill go faster that a double shot of Stacker 3 and your iPod pumping out some FAR TOO LOUD :dancing:

[Android]

cheers Optimass. interesting experiences and good to hear your thoughts on the subject.

Supplements on their own don't do shit, so yeah agree that there must be a huge link with exercise intensity and diet so as to mitigate the supplement...synergistic might be the best description?

[Pumpupthejam]

cheers Optimass. interesting experiences and good to hear your thoughts on the subject.

Supplements on their own don't do shit, so yeah agree that there must be a huge link with exercise intensity and diet so as to mitigate the supplement...synergistic might be the best description?

Are thermogenics helpful in getting rid of a big gut?

[deegee]

cheers Optimass. interesting experiences and good to hear your thoughts on the subject.

Supplements on their own don't do shit, so yeah agree that there must be a huge link with exercise intensity and diet so as to mitigate the supplement...synergistic might be the best description?

Are thermogenics helpful in getting rid of a big gut?

Unfortunately there are no magic pills out there, whatever you take you still need to put in the hard work, especially when it comes to weight loss

[Optimass]

cheers Optimass. interesting experiences and good to hear your thoughts on the subject.

Supplements on their own don't do shit, so yeah agree that there must be a huge link with exercise intensity and diet so as to mitigate the supplement...synergistic might be the best description?

Are thermogenics helpful in getting rid of a big gut?

like exercise, thermos can't spot reduce fat. Fat cells increase and decrease in size proportionally. If you let them get big enough they split into two ... but you can never burn them completely away. Men are predisposed to fat gathering around the mid-section as this tends to be an inactive area of the body. If you increase the activity around your mid section this will spread the cells more evenly- but in order to decrease the size of the cells you'll have to diet and exercise.

[Pete_S]

Just some of my comments in respect to some of the above.

1. Winstrol does not burn fat. It is a muscle hardener - but when used effectively - can give the apperance of fat loss due to minimal water rentention and increased vasularity. The only AAS known to directly reduce fat is Tren.

2. IMO ECA stacks are far better at stripping fat then any "thermogenic" currently being sold (although in NZ you have the illegal ephedrine problem).

3. IMO HGH is the best performance enhancer to reduce fat. HGH does not need to be taken with insulin although the addition of will magnify growth gains whilst on a cycle. T3 and Clen also a potent addition to achieving awesome results (if someone was heading down the "dark avenue" of illegal substances).

There is no substitute for a strict diet and high intensity cardiovascular training to strip fat. The addition of a "thermo" will accelerate fat loss, provide energy, and control cravings in a calorie deficient state. IMO and often overlooked for more fancier remedies, Green Tea extract is very good in assisting in fat loss.

[Optimass]

Winstrol does not burn fat. It is a muscle hardener - but when used effectively - can give the apperance of fat loss due to minimal water rentention and increased vasularity. The only AAS known to directly reduce fat is Tren.

Good call man. :nod: My comment on HGH was more around if you aren't going to make the most of it's potential by optimizing insuline then why use it for a fat burn cycle based on the cost. Better off gaining some quality size as a focus.

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