Manny caught using HCG

[GreekAdonis]

Manny Ramirez from the LA Dodgers baseball team tested positive for HCG and got suspended for 50something games.

What I would like to know is what do you use HCG for? Is it part of a pct or as a stand-alone? :?

Apart from women trying to get pregnant of course.

[bulking]

Taken from the boston herald

There’s no reason for a male athlete to take (HCG) other than masking that he’s taking steroids,” said Dr. Chris Geary, an orthopedic surgeon dealing with sports medicine at Tufts Medical Center. “It has to do with the ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone (a natural steroid) and if someone goes above a certain ratio, it’s pretty considerable they are taking anabolic agents. HCG can normalize the ratios so it looks like you’re not taking (anything).”

its also used during or post cycle to stimulate the leydig cells into producing test

[nate225]

LMAO - an Orthopedic surgeon, FFS they might as well have asked a Plumber or someone from the IRD call centre! :pfft:

As for "There’s no reason for a male athlete to take (HCG) other than masking that he’s taking steroids"; even someone with my limited knowlege on the topic knows that HCG is used for PCT (to stimulate LH & get the testes, or leydig cells specifically, producing testosterone again).

[OMCV6]

HCG is almost structurally identical to LH. LH signals the leydig cells in the testes to make Test...

now when you use AAS, especially high dose AAS, your HPTA is shut down and LH levels are suppressed,

This results in Testes that go on a holiday and shrink as they are really not doing much (use it or lose it)

Taking HCG signals the testes directly by mimicking LH, and the testes then start making testosterone again and expand back to normal size.

I hop this answers your question.

[GreekAdonis]

So it was likely he did some sort of cycle and used it as part of pct.

Cheers guys.

[musclenz]

LMAO - an Orthopedic surgeon, FFS they might as well have asked a Plumber or someone from the IRD call centre! :pfft:

As for "There’s no reason for a male athlete to take (HCG) other than masking that he’s taking steroids"; even someone with my limited knowlege on the topic knows that HCG is used for PCT (to stimulate LH & get the testes, or leydig cells specifically, producing testosterone again).

:grin: Ummm! Actually Nate the Ortho Surgeon come Endocronologist is correct. Hcg does increase the level of epitestosterone & improving the ratio of T/E buts its readily detected in urine & banned by the IOC & WADA. However, because now Hcg is widely used on cycle as a preventative measure rather than in PCT, its something they are looking for in conjunction with T/E ratio. Best to stick with a designer drug. :wink:

[nate225]

LMAO - an Orthopedic surgeon, FFS they might as well have asked a Plumber or someone from the IRD call centre! :pfft:

As for "There’s no reason for a male athlete to take (HCG) other than masking that he’s taking steroids"; even someone with my limited knowlege on the topic knows that HCG is used for PCT (to stimulate LH & get the testes, or leydig cells specifically, producing testosterone again).

:grin: Ummm! Actually Nate the Ortho Surgeon come Endocronologist is correct. Hcg does increase the level of epitestosterone & improving the ratio of T/E buts its readily detected in urine & banned by the IOC & WADA. However, because now Hcg is widely used on cycle as a preventative measure rather than in PCT, its something they are looking for in conjunction with T/E ratio. Best to stick with a designer drug. :wink:

Agree & disagree with you MuscleNZ.

Yes it can be used to "improve" T:E ratio, but the peptide is easily detected with WADA testing - effectively negating the theoretical possibility of using as a drug test mask. A better option for drug cheats would be exogenous E, although would need to be kept within the upper limit for E (in WADA code0.

Where the good bone doctor went wrong was to say, and I quote, "There’s no reason for a male athlete to take (HCG) other than masking that he’s taking steroids". There is another much more common and widely known reason for male athletes to use HCG, PCT!

[OMCV6]

have done a bit of reading on HCG, even though it is often used for PCT, many think this just makes normalising of the HPTA post cycle worse if you use HCG, as even though you get a big boost of test you also get a big boost in estrogen also.

supposedly it is best to take HCG during the cycle to prevent testes from shrinking down to small peas

[musclenz]

LMAO - an Orthopedic surgeon, FFS they might as well have asked a Plumber or someone from the IRD call centre! :pfft:

As for "There’s no reason for a male athlete to take (HCG) other than masking that he’s taking steroids"; even someone with my limited knowlege on the topic knows that HCG is used for PCT (to stimulate LH & get the testes, or leydig cells specifically, producing testosterone again).

:grin: Ummm! Actually Nate the Ortho Surgeon come Endocronologist is correct. Hcg does increase the level of epitestosterone & improving the ratio of T/E buts its readily detected in urine & banned by the IOC & WADA. However, because now Hcg is widely used on cycle as a preventative measure rather than in PCT, its something they are looking for in conjunction with T/E ratio. Best to stick with a designer drug. :wink:

Agree & disagree with you MuscleNZ.

Yes it can be used to "improve" T:E ratio, but the peptide is easily detected with WADA testing - effectively negating the theoretical possibility of using as a drug test mask. A better option for drug cheats would be exogenous E, although would need to be kept within the upper limit for E (in WADA code0.

Where the good bone doctor went wrong was to say, and I quote, "There’s no reason for a male athlete to take (HCG) other than masking that he’s taking steroids". There is another much more common and widely known reason for male athletes to use HCG, PCT!

Yes Nate it does only improve the T/E ratio. Just had a look & see now they can also recalibrate according to ethnic origin with respect to the genetic variation that occurs in E production. So yes you would need to use exog E to balance the ratio. OMG this is just getting too hard for the average doper Can you even get epitestosterone let alone calculate the minute amount required. I guess if you are using Hcg in PCT it implies that you have been using gear or PH's previously & your bone doctor was a bit too specific in his assumption. By the way, I would like to have half of your "limited knowledge" :grin:

[nate225]

:grin: Ummm! Actually Nate the Ortho Surgeon come Endocronologist is correct. Hcg does increase the level of epitestosterone & improving the ratio of T/E buts its readily detected in urine & banned by the IOC & WADA. However, because now Hcg is widely used on cycle as a preventative measure rather than in PCT, its something they are looking for in conjunction with T/E ratio. Best to stick with a designer drug. :wink:

Agree & disagree with you MuscleNZ.

Yes it can be used to "improve" T:E ratio, but the peptide is easily detected with WADA testing - effectively negating the theoretical possibility of using as a drug test mask. A better option for drug cheats would be exogenous E, although would need to be kept within the upper limit for E (in WADA code0.

Where the good bone doctor went wrong was to say, and I quote, "There’s no reason for a male athlete to take (HCG) other than masking that he’s taking steroids". There is another much more common and widely known reason for male athletes to use HCG, PCT!

Yes Nate it does only improve the T/E ratio. Just had a look & see now they can also recalibrate according to ethnic origin with respect to the genetic variation that occurs in E production. So yes you would need to use exog E to balance the ratio. OMG this is just getting too hard for the average doper Can you even get epitestosterone let alone calculate the minute amount required. I guess if you are using Hcg in PCT it implies that you have been using gear or PH's previously & your bone doctor was a bit too specific in his assumption. By the way, I would like to have half of your "limited knowledge" :grin:

LMAO Can't help being a biochem geek at heart! Used to be able to draw the Gluconeogenesis / Glycosis pathways and a handful of others from memory, now days I'm lucky if I can remember to spell my own name! Guess I'm regressing to Shamanism like yourself!