22 y/o, never cycled - low results.

[musclenz]

Hey all - here is an UPDATE.

I have seen a Doc, who sent me on my way for full bloods and thats pretty much all they do, then they leave it up to the Nurses to spot anything that is glaringly out of the reference range.. They dont even call you if you have everything within range, it just goes unspoken, you dont see the results - So I requested a copy of all of my results. ...So I am considering rebooking an appt and try to get a ref to an Endo.

Energy levels and fatigue seemed to have got a bit better lately, which is a real catch 22 - on one hand it means I am feeling a bit more energised (although still no real sex drive, or regular morning wood etc etc) BUT, on the other hand, its not a true reflection on whats going on I guess given my blood tests where done during my 'feeling better' stage.

Hormone Bloods of note:

Total Test has has apparently jumped from 13.7 (my original test) to 20.9 .. (10 - 28)

SHBG= 20 .. (13 - 71) - this one concerns me based on my research.

Free Test= 612 .. (250 - 800)

T4= 12.0 .. (9 - 19)

TSH= 2.9 .. (0.4 - 4)

Prolactin up a bit from original @ 231 .. (50 - 450)

Others to note that are concerning:

Globulin= 23 .. (22 - 38)

White Cell Count= 4.01 .. (4.0 - 11)

Neutrophil seg= 2.03 .. (2.2 - 7.5)

and the ONE thing I did get a call about (she wasnt alarmed by anything else) from the nurse that I need to retest: Kidney related, Renal and electrolytes..

Creatinine= 113 .. (60-105)

eGFR= >60 ml/min/1.73m2

No retests on:

LH= 3 .. (2-9)

FSH= 1.9 .. (2-12)

Oestradiol= <150 .. (0 - 200)

Sadly I guess I have to waste another $60 for nothing to go over results and be told they are normal by the Doc, then try and get put through to an Endo/Specialist...

Whats your thoughts?

Personally I think your tests are looking much better. This time you have FT reading at 612 which is on the higher side of average. SHBG is good. THe lower the better because that is what reduces the levels of bioactive test in the body. Prob the only thing that might be rather low is LH & FSH. This suggests that the signal ffrom the Hyp & Pituitary may be not up to speed. It does seem a bit of an anomoly in the presence of good FT. I'm not sure what to suggest here other than to keep up your current supps, add zinc if not in there & maybe Tribulus.

[TGD]

SHBG is good. The lower the better because that is what reduces the levels of bioactive test in the body.

This makes sense from what I have read, but there is also a lot of conversation around the negative effects of having low SHBG on sex drive and hormonal swings etc - which is what made me think this could be an issue?

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I guess I have 2 options:

1) Go back to the Doc and get a ref to to see and Endo - but while feeling better its likely not a true reflection...

2) Or stick to some good supps. I must admit when I tried Trib at the beggining of the year I did notice an increase in sex drive..

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So maybe... :

I'm not sure what to suggest here other than to keep up your current supps, add zinc if not in there & maybe Tribulus.

maybe this is the right thing to do for the time being. I have 2 bottles of Novedex, and a large supply of ZMA and strong multis arriving this week - plus I can add in some Trib if I get a reduced sex drive from the Novedex..

I would appreciate your opinion as to the above options...?

[musclenz]

Yes my friend, you have already put in place what your body seems to be requiring. I would suggest that you continue in line with 2. & see how you progress. Try to avoid feeling the anxiety & stress that you are experiencing. Take time out to recover & rest. Allow the healing to take place. Peace, R

[TGD]

Thanks again.

Bring on the Novedex, ZMA and Trib stack then and I will see how I go. I guess I can always go back for more bloods if I start to feel the same reduced energy etc again - though still doesnt change my other common low test symptoms which still exist, hopefully these things start to improve also.

Will try and update with any significant news.

[startinfromscratch]

tgd,

i got bloods done a month ago, am all natural yet had lh over 9 and low test (10). ben taking novedex and zma 4 4 weeks, geting follow up bloods tommorow, will post them in my original thread in here. should be interesting comparison.

[TGD]

tgd,

i got bloods done a month ago, am all natural yet had lh over 9 and low test (10). ben taking novedex and zma 4 4 weeks, geting follow up bloods tommorow, will post them in my original thread in here. should be interesting comparison.

Brilliant - that sounds perfect. I look forward to seeing your results!

I've got a few Q's around your dosages etc, I will chuck them in your original thread so I dont side track too much here.

[TGD]

Posted an update over in startinfromscratches thread - but for those that helped me and are curious where things are at:

I am trying my own approach first, see how that goes then go back and demand a referral to an Endo if need be.

For the time being I am taking Novedex + ZMA, dosing up on fish oils and have some strong multi's again.. also have some bulgarian trib handy in case my libido drops lower than it is already - which sadly, is pretty low any ways.

1 week in and feeling pretty fucking good to be honest, best I have in a long time. My ZMA is some serious good shit thats for sure!

Weight has jumped up but likely just water weight im thinking, strength appears to be on the up as well.. only really good news to report at this stage.

[musclenz]

Sounds encouraging TGD. May be you just needed some extra Zinc. Keep us progress posted.

[BainTrain]

squats.

An arrogant post from someone who obviously knows absolutley nothing of the subject being discussed.

[tikalosh]

squats.

An arrogant post from someone who obviously knows absolutley nothing of the subject being discussed.

[TGD]

Sounds encouraging TGD. May be you just needed some extra Zinc. Keep us progress posted.

May have been the case - from what i've read 50mg is about the max you want per hit and I think I am getting about 50 - 55mg between my multi and ZMA.

The first week i started on the ZMA and Novedex was ridiculously good for DEEP incredible sleeps with brilliant vivid dreams - a pretty common effect from these 2 I understand... sadly this has backed off a bit and I seem to be getting a bit of the same lathargicness I had on the odd occasion, nothing too major though.

Seems the dreaming and very deep sleep is pretty common to reduce a bit after the first week - any one know why this may be? Possibly an adjustment the first week to having more Zinc?

Libido is still low, as it was before.. so for a nice change i've added in some Ultimate Nutrition Bulgarian Trib as of last night - 750mg in the am and pm, seems to give me a good 'feeling' pretty quick :pfft:

As for the whole 'cycle' if you can call it that, 9 days in and strength and endurance seem to be up marginally - weight is up about 2kg tho, seems an awfull lot for 9 days.