Ingredient Question

[teamfatboy]

Question about two over-the-counter products, MuscleMeds Arimatest and Hexaghen:

A) the active ingredient in Arimatest is "androst 146 triene 317 dione 6 bromo androst 14 diene 3 17 dione - alpha isomer and 6 bromo androst 14 diene 3 17 dione - beta isomer"

B) in Hexaghen the active ingredient is "IGF-1 complex of Ketonic Isomers (cis and trans-4 17(20)-pregnadiene-316-dione) GHRP-2 Hexapeptide Acetate"

But I can't work out whether the alphabet soup equates to a 'prohibited substance' under WADA or NZ rules - any ideas?

And yes, these were Over-the-counter, at least in the US - but I've no idea whether they're on sale here or not.

[musclenz]

Arimitest looks like a derivitive of ATD. Quite a good thread on BB.com. Claims are a bit over the top.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=6714821

& is the other a copy on the synthetic peptide GHRP2!

[nate225]

Question about two over-the-counter products, MuscleMeds Arimatest and Hexaghen:

A) the active ingredient in Arimatest is "androst 146 triene 317 dione 6 bromo androst 14 diene 3 17 dione - alpha isomer and 6 bromo androst 14 diene 3 17 dione - beta isomer"

B) in Hexaghen the active ingredient is "IGF-1 complex of Ketonic Isomers (cis and trans-4 17(20)-pregnadiene-316-dione) GHRP-2 Hexapeptide Acetate"

But I can't work out whether the alphabet soup equates to a 'prohibited substance' under WADA or NZ rules - any ideas?

And yes, these were Over-the-counter, at least in the US - but I've no idea whether they're on sale here or not.

Best bet is to ring Richard Steele at Drug Free Sport - 0800 DRUGFREE (378487).

They won't be able to say it's okay to take any supplement but can tell you whether the ingredients on the label are banned or not.

[OMCV6]

This drug free sport thing is aload of bolux,

People coming up with steroid replacements? Shit, anything that enhances performance like creatine or caffeine even is a drug and gives a proven advantage to those that use it.

All these supplement companies trying to cash in on making prohormones, but how many clinical studies have been done to prove their effectiveness?

Lets get this straight, any substance which modifies or short circuits the hypothalamus-pituitary axis is acting like a drug in the body.

There is no such thing as a "free lunch in this world". No gain without a few side effects, and potential negative effects on ones health

Prescription only AAS which are true analogues of testosterone or testosterone itself (eg Nandrolone, Boldenone, oxymetholone aka anadrol etc) are proven in clinical studies to increase nitrogen retention and thus promote protein synthesis and all of them have atleast a few unwanted side effects.... But they all work well for building up muscles in hard training athletes, as well as increasing red-blood cell counts and total blood volume, not to mention the improved recovery they offer.

I am not up on pro-hormones and the studies that have been done to evaluate their effectiveness... and so called testosterone boosters that one can buy from the local health food shop, but answer me this, How many professional bodybuilders use products such as prohormones or how many track and field world records got set with testosterone boosters from the local health food shop?

The supplement industry is out of control, cashing in on many peoples ignorance, if these consumers had a better understanding of nutrition and overall biochemistry within the body they would keep more of their money in their pockets to spend it on products that actually work.

[nate225]

This drug free sport thing is aload of bolux,

People coming up with steroid replacements? Shit, anything that enhances performance like creatine or caffeine even is a drug and gives a proven advantage to those that use it.

All these supplement companies trying to cash in on making prohormones, but how many clinical studies have been done to prove their effectiveness?

Lets get this straight, any substance which modifies or short circuits the hypothalamus-pituitary axis is acting like a drug in the body.

There is no such thing as a "free lunch in this world". No gain without a few side effects, and potential negative effects on ones health

Prescription only AAS which are true analogues of testosterone or testosterone itself (eg Nandrolone, Boldenone, oxymetholone aka anadrol etc) are proven in clinical studies to increase nitrogen retention and thus promote protein synthesis and all of them have atleast a few unwanted side effects.... But they all work well for building up muscles in hard training athletes, as well as increasing red-blood cell counts and total blood volume, not to mention the improved recovery they offer.

I am not up on pro-hormones and the studies that have been done to evaluate their effectiveness... and so called testosterone boosters that one can buy from the local health food shop, but answer me this, How many professional bodybuilders use products such as prohormones or how many track and field world records got set with testosterone boosters from the local health food shop?

The supplement industry is out of control, cashing in on many peoples ignorance, if these consumers had a better understanding of nutrition and overall biochemistry within the body they would keep more of their money in their pockets to spend it on products that actually work.

Nice rant OMCV, some valid points there, but the question was "But I can't work out whether the alphabet soup equates to a 'prohibited substance' under WADA or NZ rules - any ideas?".

Answer ring 0800 DRUGFREE and ask the testing people first hand.

Funly enough I rang about a supplement that someone in our gym was selling, it contained two WADA banned substances, one of which was illegl to obtain without prescription!

Agree some of the prohormones are likely to be more toxic & less effective than AAS, either way both classes are almost blanket banned by WADA & would receive the same sanction (usually a 2-year ban for first offences).