WNBF NZ bites the dust.

[Sportsgirl]

What a goose you are.

You've done one show with Danny and you feel qualified to make a statement on all of them.

Perhaps you fluked it for a good show, but I can tell you now that they are crap.

Poorly run, poorly judged, small crowds and no testing.

I don't understand your argument.

Danny is the one that continually lies about his testing yet you are silly enough to support him.

Why would you want to support a promoter who promotes his shows falsely?

Please prove to me where I have lied or moved the goalposts.

I have simply stated the truth about Danny's shows, things that you wouldn't know about and are too stubborn to listen too.

I know a lot more about Danny's shows than you do, and a lot more than he would like me too.

It's time you woke up to the truth.

I challenge you or anybody else to dispute what I have said.

I have posted on this thread to make sure that people do have the choice to make up their own mind.

They can either believe me or you, thats for them to decide, but its only fair that they get to hear both sides, not just your biased an uneducated opinion.

You: The WNBF shows here in Aust are poorly attend, poorly run and have little or no competitors.

Most of the competitors either double-up or triple-up just to make the numbers look good.

Me: I have had a good experience with WNBF and the last show I competed in had an awesome turnout and all of the competitors I talked to had a great time and a good experience too.

You: OH WELL LOL The drug testing is bogus.

See where the goal posts got moved, Buddy? My argument was never about the drug testing

I never said or implied that all the shows would be well run. I stated in another thread it totally has to do with the promoter and my experience so far has been excellent. You're the one that got your panties in a twist because someone disagreed with you

[Outlaw53]

What a goose you are.

You've done one show with Danny and you feel qualified to make a statement on all of them.

Perhaps you fluked it for a good show, but I can tell you now that they are crap.

Poorly run, poorly judged, small crowds and no testing.

I don't understand your argument.

Danny is the one that continually lies about his testing yet you are silly enough to support him.

Why would you want to support a promoter who promotes his shows falsely?

Please prove to me where I have lied or moved the goalposts.

I have simply stated the truth about Danny's shows, things that you wouldn't know about and are too stubborn to listen too.

I know a lot more about Danny's shows than you do, and a lot more than he would like me too.

It's time you woke up to the truth.

I challenge you or anybody else to dispute what I have said.

I have posted on this thread to make sure that people do have the choice to make up their own mind.

They can either believe me or you, thats for them to decide, but its only fair that they get to hear both sides, not just your biased an uneducated opinion.

You: The WNBF shows here in Aust are poorly attend, poorly run and have little or no competitors.

Most of the competitors either double-up or triple-up just to make the numbers look good.

Me: I have had a good experience with WNBF and the last show I competed in had an awesome turnout and all of the competitors I talked to had a great time and a good experience too.

You: OH WELL LOL The drug testing is bogus.

See where the goal posts got moved, Buddy? My argument was never about the drug testing

I never said or implied that all the shows would be well run. I stated in another thread it totally has to do with the promoter and my experience so far has been excellent. You're the one that got your panties in a twist because someone disagreed with you

How have I moved the goal posts?

So you've had a good experience with Danny's show, good for you.

The fact of the matter is that most people haven't.

Most competitors have been treated poorly and the majority of shows have been shit.

All the competitors you spoke to had a good time huh?

Well there was only 25 of them and I'm guessing that over half of them won and everyone probably placed.

Sounds like a really high standard show. :roll:

Have you stopped to think why there aren't any more people competing at Danny's shows?

You are happy to come on here and say "Oh well, the testing's bogus".

Do you understand that this is what Danny promotes his shows on - how superior his drug testing is compared to everyone else.

It has been proven beyond doubt that the testing is crap, yet you openly support his lies. I don't understand your argument.

Just because you had a good time, does that make it okay for Danny to lie to everyone else. That's a pretty selfish and narrow-minded attitude.

"Stuff everyone else, so long as I'm happy who cares". This kind of attitude is why bodybuilding is in the mess it is today.

You have just made yourself look like a fool by accepting that the testing is bogus, yet you will still support it anyway. Why would you do that?

Surely you have more self respect and integrity than that?

Good luck with your "paper title", I'm sure it is something that you will display proudly on your mantelpiece. LOL. :clap:

[Sportsgirl]

I explained how you moved the goal posts above. If you don't understand, that's your problem I don't know how to explain it more simply, usually people understand examples.

LOL, I never said the drug testing was bogus. That's why I put "You:" beside it, genius. You certainly have said it more or less.

I actually can't make my argument any more clearer to you (let me cut and paste from above):

My concern has nothing to do with drug testing. My concern is you making blanket statements about the federation putting on crappy shows.

Sorry if you can't understand that.

For the record, I encourage anyone to contact you and Danny about the drug testing if they are concerned about it and make up their own minds. I also encourage people to try different federations and if they didn't have a good experience, don't compete with them again. It's not rocket science. I'm not here to hand hold like you are.

[Outlaw53]

I explained how you moved the goal posts above. If you don't understand, that's your problem I don't know how to explain it more simply, usually people understand examples.

LOL, I never said the drug testing was bogus. That's why I put "You:" beside it, genius. You certainly have said it more or less.

I actually can't make my argument any more clearer to you (let me cut and paste from above):

My concern has nothing to do with drug testing. My concern is you making blanket statements about the federation putting on crappy shows.

Sorry if you can't understand that.

For the record, I encourage anyone to contact you and Danny about the drug testing if they are concerned about it and make up their own minds. I also encourage people to try different federations and if they didn't have a good experience, don't compete with them again. It's not rocket science. I'm not here to hand hold like you are.

Your goalpost argument is dumb.

I'm happy to argue about whether the shows are any good and if Danny treats his competitors well.

You are one of the very few that are happy, most people think that both he and his shows suck.

This is the argument that you want and I have challenged it.

That's what you are accusing me of - making a blanket statement that all Danny's shows are shit.

Yes, I do think they are all shit and I am prepared to make what you call a blanket statement.

You are the one getting your knickers in a knot over it, not me.

You know full well that the drug testing is bogus, you just don't want to admit it.

The fact that you know the shows are dodgy yet you continue to support them just goes to show that you a person of very little integrity, no wonder you are going in to bat for Danny so strongly.

Why would you encourage anyone to speak to Danny about his drug testing? He is already lying about them, what makes you think that he will start telling the truth now?

[Laver]

I explained how you moved the goal posts above. If you don't understand, that's your problem I don't know how to explain it more simply, usually people understand examples.

LOL, I never said the drug testing was bogus. That's why I put "You:" beside it, genius. You certainly have said it more or less.

I actually can't make my argument any more clearer to you (let me cut and paste from above):

My concern has nothing to do with drug testing. My concern is you making blanket statements about the federation putting on crappy shows.

Sorry if you can't understand that.

For the record, I encourage anyone to contact you and Danny about the drug testing if they are concerned about it and make up their own minds. I also encourage people to try different federations and if they didn't have a good experience, don't compete with them again. It's not rocket science. I'm not here to hand hold like you are.

Your goalpost argument is dumb.

I'm happy to argue about whether the shows are any good and if Danny treats his competitors well.

You are one of the very few that are happy, most people think that both he and his shows suck.

This is the argument that you want and I have challenged it.

That's what you are accusing me of - making a blanket statement that all Danny's shows are shit.

Yes, I do think they are all shit and I am prepared to make what you call a blanket statement.

You are the one getting your knickers in a knot over it, not me.

You know full well that the drug testing is bogus, you just don't want to admit it.

The fact that you know the shows are dodgy yet you continue to support them just goes to show that you a person of very little integrity, no wonder you are going in to bat for Danny so strongly.

Why would you encourage anyone to speak to Danny about his drug testing? He is already lying about them, what makes you think that he will start telling the truth now?

Outlaw, I think you have the highest word per post count on this site at the moment, well done.

Here - have a paper trophy.

Awarded to Outlaw53 for wasting as many keystrokes as possible per message. Presented by Laver and on behalf of anybody else who finds it amusing

Dated this 7th day of April 2009

[Outlaw53]

I explained how you moved the goal posts above. If you don't understand, that's your problem I don't know how to explain it more simply, usually people understand examples.

LOL, I never said the drug testing was bogus. That's why I put "You:" beside it, genius. You certainly have said it more or less.

I actually can't make my argument any more clearer to you (let me cut and paste from above):

My concern has nothing to do with drug testing. My concern is you making blanket statements about the federation putting on crappy shows.

Sorry if you can't understand that.

For the record, I encourage anyone to contact you and Danny about the drug testing if they are concerned about it and make up their own minds. I also encourage people to try different federations and if they didn't have a good experience, don't compete with them again. It's not rocket science. I'm not here to hand hold like you are.

Your goalpost argument is dumb.

I'm happy to argue about whether the shows are any good and if Danny treats his competitors well.

You are one of the very few that are happy, most people think that both he and his shows suck.

This is the argument that you want and I have challenged it.

That's what you are accusing me of - making a blanket statement that all Danny's shows are shit.

Yes, I do think they are all shit and I am prepared to make what you call a blanket statement.

You are the one getting your knickers in a knot over it, not me.

You know full well that the drug testing is bogus, you just don't want to admit it.

The fact that you know the shows are dodgy yet you continue to support them just goes to show that you a person of very little integrity, no wonder you are going in to bat for Danny so strongly.

Why would you encourage anyone to speak to Danny about his drug testing? He is already lying about them, what makes you think that he will start telling the truth now?

Outlaw, I think you have the highest word per post count on this site at the moment, well done.

Here - have a paper trophy.

Awarded to Outlaw53 for wasting as many keystrokes as possible per message. Presented by Laver and on behalf of anybody else who finds it amusing

Dated this 7th day of April 2009

Definitely time and effort wasted, no doubt about that. :nod:

People like Sportsgirl will always be blinded by bullshit.

Hopefully the rest of NZ is not silly enough to get sucked by Danny lies.

[Sportsgirl]

Your goalpost argument is dumb.

I'm happy to argue about whether the shows are any good and if Danny treats his competitors well.

You are one of the very few that are happy, most people think that both he and his shows suck.

This is the argument that you want and I have challenged it.

That's what you are accusing me of - making a blanket statement that all Danny's shows are shit.

Yes, I do think they are all shit and I am prepared to make what you call a blanket statement.

You are the one getting your knickers in a knot over it, not me.

You know full well that the drug testing is bogus, you just don't want to admit it.

The fact that you know the shows are dodgy yet you continue to support them just goes to show that you a person of very little integrity, no wonder you are going in to bat for Danny so strongly.

Why would you encourage anyone to speak to Danny about his drug testing? He is already lying about them, what makes you think that he will start telling the truth now?

You think it's dumb, because it's obvious you don't understand what moving goal posts mean when it comes to discussions. Let me explain it to you again: you make a statement, I dispute it, you can't argue with it so you bring up another totally different point ie. the original goal post has been moved to something else.

Explain to me exactly how I have little integrity because I enter shows with a federation I have had good experiences with Are you sure you even know what the word means and how to apply it? Call me selfish etc. whatever, but I *do* enter these contests for me. I am not interested in winning/getting to the top/being famous but seeing myself and my physique progress. In the same breath I can say I have and would help any competitor out backstage that needed it. Last time I checked bodybuilding wasn't a team sport That's what I play soccer for.

I am not concerned about the drug testing because I know I am natural - I have nothing to worry about; as anyone should if they are also natural. As I said, if anyone is concerned about the drug testing then to contact who you wish then you can make an informed decision. If you then enter a show with WNBF and you are unhappy, DON'T COMPETE WITH THEM AGAIN. It's simple. I don't know why you are dead set on being a Mother goose about it, let people think for themselves. The people here aren't children, they're adults.

Going in strongly to bat for Danny? My, my you really can't read Not only did you miss my entire argument until I spelled it out for you, you *still* don't understand it My initial post was to dispute your original statement. My intention was never to come in here saying OH LOL WNBF IS THE BEST EVA!!11 It was to share my experience with the people here. Apparently having a positive experience with WNBF equates to being Danny's best friend.

It seems your vendetta against Danny has taken over as evidenced by your subsequent bumbling.

[poos_n_wees]

You know full well that the drug testing is bogus, you just don't want to admit it.

The fact that you know the shows are dodgy yet you continue to support them just goes to show that you a person of very little integrity, no wonder you are going in to bat for Danny so strongly.

From what I've read, Sportsgirl never said ANYTHING about the shows being dodgy. She simply explained her experience with the Federation, which was a good one... And that Danny was really helpful. You obviously don't like the Federation or Danny. We got it.

I wanna meet Danny now.. LOL. Pregnancy tests for everyone! \:D/

[Outlaw53]

Your goalpost argument is dumb.

I'm happy to argue about whether the shows are any good and if Danny treats his competitors well.

You are one of the very few that are happy, most people think that both he and his shows suck.

This is the argument that you want and I have challenged it.

That's what you are accusing me of - making a blanket statement that all Danny's shows are shit.

Yes, I do think they are all shit and I am prepared to make what you call a blanket statement.

You are the one getting your knickers in a knot over it, not me.

You know full well that the drug testing is bogus, you just don't want to admit it.

The fact that you know the shows are dodgy yet you continue to support them just goes to show that you a person of very little integrity, no wonder you are going in to bat for Danny so strongly.

Why would you encourage anyone to speak to Danny about his drug testing? He is already lying about them, what makes you think that he will start telling the truth now?

You think it's dumb, because it's obvious you don't understand what moving goal posts mean when it comes to discussions. Let me explain it to you again: you make a statement, I dispute it, you can't argue with it so you bring up another totally different point ie. the original goal post has been moved to something else.

Explain to me exactly how I have little integrity because I enter shows with a federation I have had good experiences with Are you sure you even know what the word means and how to apply it? Call me selfish etc. whatever, but I *do* enter these contests for me. I am not interested in winning/getting to the top/being famous but seeing myself and my physique progress. In the same breath I can say I have and would help any competitor out backstage that needed it. Last time I checked bodybuilding wasn't a team sport That's what I play soccer for.

I am not concerned about the drug testing because I know I am natural - I have nothing to worry about; as anyone should if they are also natural. As I said, if anyone is concerned about the drug testing then to contact who you wish then you can make an informed decision. If you then enter a show with WNBF and you are unhappy, DON'T COMPETE WITH THEM AGAIN. It's simple. I don't know why you are dead set on being a Mother goose about it, let people think for themselves. The people here aren't children, they're adults.

Going in strongly to bat for Danny? My, my you really can't read Not only did you miss my entire argument until I spelled it out for you, you *still* don't understand it My initial post was to dispute your original statement. My intention was never to come in here saying OH LOL WNBF IS THE BEST EVA!!11 It was to share my experience with the people here. Apparently having a positive experience with WNBF equates to being Danny's best friend.

It seems your vendetta against Danny has taken over as evidenced by your subsequent bumbling.

What a load of crap. Have you stopped to have a listen to yourself?

Do you even understand what an argument is?

I have given you numerous reasons why Danny's shows are shit, but you can only come up with the same lame argument - "Danny was nice to me and I had fun".

What kind of argument is that?

Anyone with an ounce of integrity wouldn't be seen dead at one of Danny's shows.

I have explained what a con-artist he is, yet you continue to support him.

Why would anyone support someone who lies about the very foundation on which he promotes his show on - Drug Testing.

So you don't care about his drug testing, but what about everyone else who got sucked in by his claims to test everyone and then found out that it was a bunch of crap?

I guess that's too bad for them, so long as you are happy, who cares about your fellow competitor.

People like you are why the sport of bodybuilding struggles - self-centred people who are only interested in themselves.

So if I understand you correctly, you are allowed to share you positive experience with everyone, but if anybody challenges you with the facts about how Danny runs his WNBF shows over here, then you accuse them of moving the goal posts?

[michaelk]

Your goalpost argument is dumb.

I'm happy to argue about whether the shows are any good and if Danny treats his competitors well.

You are one of the very few that are happy, most people think that both he and his shows suck.

This is the argument that you want and I have challenged it.

That's what you are accusing me of - making a blanket statement that all Danny's shows are shit.

Yes, I do think they are all shit and I am prepared to make what you call a blanket statement.

You are the one getting your knickers in a knot over it, not me.

You know full well that the drug testing is bogus, you just don't want to admit it.

The fact that you know the shows are dodgy yet you continue to support them just goes to show that you a person of very little integrity, no wonder you are going in to bat for Danny so strongly.

Why would you encourage anyone to speak to Danny about his drug testing? He is already lying about them, what makes you think that he will start telling the truth now?

You think it's dumb, because it's obvious you don't understand what moving goal posts mean when it comes to discussions. Let me explain it to you again: you make a statement, I dispute it, you can't argue with it so you bring up another totally different point ie. the original goal post has been moved to something else.

Explain to me exactly how I have little integrity because I enter shows with a federation I have had good experiences with Are you sure you even know what the word means and how to apply it? Call me selfish etc. whatever, but I *do* enter these contests for me. I am not interested in winning/getting to the top/being famous but seeing myself and my physique progress. In the same breath I can say I have and would help any competitor out backstage that needed it. Last time I checked bodybuilding wasn't a team sport That's what I play soccer for.

I am not concerned about the drug testing because I know I am natural - I have nothing to worry about; as anyone should if they are also natural. As I said, if anyone is concerned about the drug testing then to contact who you wish then you can make an informed decision. If you then enter a show with WNBF and you are unhappy, DON'T COMPETE WITH THEM AGAIN. It's simple. I don't know why you are dead set on being a Mother goose about it, let people think for themselves. The people here aren't children, they're adults.

Going in strongly to bat for Danny? My, my you really can't read Not only did you miss my entire argument until I spelled it out for you, you *still* don't understand it My initial post was to dispute your original statement. My intention was never to come in here saying OH LOL WNBF IS THE BEST EVA!!11 It was to share my experience with the people here. Apparently having a positive experience with WNBF equates to being Danny's best friend.

It seems your vendetta against Danny has taken over as evidenced by your subsequent bumbling.

What a load of crap. Have you stopped to have a listen to yourself?

Do you even understand what an argument is?

I have given you numerous reasons why Danny's shows are shit, but you can only come up with the same lame argument - "Danny was nice to me and I had fun".

What kind of argument is that?

Anyone with an ounce of integrity wouldn't be seen dead at one of Danny's shows.

I have explained what a con-artist he is, yet you continue to support him.

Why would anyone support someone who lies about the very foundation on which he promotes his show on - Drug Testing.

So you don't care about his drug testing, but what about everyone else who got sucked in by his claims to test everyone and then found out that it was a bunch of crap?

I guess that's too bad for them, so long as you are happy, who cares about your fellow competitor.

People like you are why the sport of bodybuilding struggles - self-centred people who are only interested in themselves.

So if I understand you correctly, you are allowed to share you positive experience with everyone, but if anybody challenges you with the facts about how Danny runs his WNBF shows over here, then you accuse them of moving the goal posts?

I have nothing to add, just wanted to make the biggest quote box in the history of NZBB.

[michaelk]

I've always thought "changing the goalposts" meant changing the rules used to measure a succssful outcome? ie being told to achieve a certain standard to win a contest or business proposal and then told the requirements have changed once you have achieved the original requirement.

I thought Outlaw had just added another set of goalposts instead of moving them, must have something to do with coming from Victoria where they play a game with 4 goalposts at each end.

He scored a 1 pointer- a Behind (bit like a conversion to Aussie Rules where the ball goes through the outside posts) where I think Supergirl is playing basketball instead and has been called for travelling....in this case to Perth :pfft:

[Outlaw53]

I've always thought "changing the goalposts" meant changing the rules used to measure a succssful outcome? ie being told to achieve a certain standard to win a contest or business proposal and then told the requirements have changed once you have achieved the original requirement.

I thought Outlaw had just added another set of goalposts instead of moving them, must have something to do with coming from Victoria where they play a game with 4 goalposts at each end.

He scored a 1 pointer- a Behind (bit like a conversion to Aussie Rules where the ball goes through the outside posts) where I think Supergirl is playing basketball instead and has been called for travelling....in this case to Perth :pfft:

LOL.........................very nice summery mate.

Congratulations on the biggest ever quote box in the history of NZBB. :grin:

[Sportsgirl]

What a load of crap. Have you stopped to have a listen to yourself?

Do you even understand what an argument is?

I have given you numerous reasons why Danny's shows are shit, but you can only come up with the same lame argument - "Danny was nice to me and I had fun".

What kind of argument is that?

Anyone with an ounce of integrity wouldn't be seen dead at one of Danny's shows.

I have explained what a con-artist he is, yet you continue to support him.

Why would anyone support someone who lies about the very foundation on which he promotes his show on - Drug Testing.

So you don't care about his drug testing, but what about everyone else who got sucked in by his claims to test everyone and then found out that it was a bunch of crap?

I guess that's too bad for them, so long as you are happy, who cares about your fellow competitor.

People like you are why the sport of bodybuilding struggles - self-centred people who are only interested in themselves.

So if I understand you correctly, you are allowed to share you positive experience with everyone, but if anybody challenges you with the facts about how Danny runs his WNBF shows over here, then you accuse them of moving the goal posts?

Mother Theresa:

Of course I know what an argument is :pfft:

You are free to state what you like. The whole argument came about when you said every show sucked, all the competitors sucked etc. As soon as someone (me) says... well hey, I actually competed in a show where heaps of people turned up and it was very well run the shit hit the fan. That's actually all I wanted to say. Apparently that wasn't allowed though :-s I was just defending my right to have an opinion :-s I can't believe I've had to repeat myself over and over for you to get it.

As I said, everyone has their own mind. They have a CHOICE whether they will compete or not with WNBF or any federation. If they don't like it, don't do it again. If you are concerned about the drug testing, find out and make your decision.

And don't blame me for the state of bodybuilding: it's selfish enough by itself without my help :roll:

[SamWelly]

Sounds like the testing is shit. If you are natural and want a level playing field, then proper testing is essential... Pretty simple stuff. It is BB'ing after all tho, Roids are part of the sport whatever way you look at it. Even the biggest ambassadors of the 'sport' would admit that...

[Outlaw53]

What a load of crap. Have you stopped to have a listen to yourself?

Do you even understand what an argument is?

I have given you numerous reasons why Danny's shows are shit, but you can only come up with the same lame argument - "Danny was nice to me and I had fun".

What kind of argument is that?

Anyone with an ounce of integrity wouldn't be seen dead at one of Danny's shows.

I have explained what a con-artist he is, yet you continue to support him.

Why would anyone support someone who lies about the very foundation on which he promotes his show on - Drug Testing.

So you don't care about his drug testing, but what about everyone else who got sucked in by his claims to test everyone and then found out that it was a bunch of crap?

I guess that's too bad for them, so long as you are happy, who cares about your fellow competitor.

People like you are why the sport of bodybuilding struggles - self-centred people who are only interested in themselves.

So if I understand you correctly, you are allowed to share you positive experience with everyone, but if anybody challenges you with the facts about how Danny runs his WNBF shows over here, then you accuse them of moving the goal posts?

Mother Theresa:

Of course I know what an argument is :pfft:

You are free to state what you like. The whole argument came about when you said every show sucked, all the competitors sucked etc. As soon as someone (me) says... well hey, I actually competed in a show where heaps of people turned up and it was very well run the shit hit the fan. That's actually all I wanted to say. Apparently that wasn't allowed though :-s I was just defending my right to have an opinion :-s I can't believe I've had to repeat myself over and over for you to get it.

As I said, everyone has their own mind. They have a CHOICE whether they will compete or not with WNBF or any federation. If they don't like it, don't do it again. If you are concerned about the drug testing, find out and make your decision.

And don't blame me for the state of bodybuilding: it's selfish enough by itself without my help :roll:

I have never stopped you from expressing your point of view, I've simply let you know that I don't agree with it.

Why can't I let people know the other side of the coin - you are painting Danny and his WNBF shows to be something worthwhile.

In my opinion they are not worth wasting your time or money on.

The difference is that I have come up with indisputable facts as to why these shows are shit, you haven't.

All we have is your opinion, nothing else.

Whether I like Danny or not doesn't matter, the facts speak for themselves.

I'm happy for everyone to form their own opinions, but lets try making sure that they hear the truth about how his shows are run.

That last comment is a classic, "And don't blame me for the state of bodybuilding: it's selfish enough by itself without my help".

What are we to make of that? "Well everyone else is selfish so I might as well be too".

It's because of you and others like you that bodybuilding is struggling.

You are all happy to take from the sport but you offer little in return.

You character certainly fits in well with Danny's philosophy.

[Sportsgirl]

I have never stopped you from expressing your point of view, I've simply let you know that I don't agree with it.

Why can't I let people know the other side of the coin - you are painting Danny and his WNBF shows to be something worthwhile.

In my opinion they are not worth wasting your time or money on.

That would have been nice to say back when you were saying Danny was a scumbag, and that you had evidence showing Danny was a scumbag, and when you said I had no integrity for sharing *my* opinion.

PROTIP: When you blast somebody for sharing her opinion, you don't get to use this "I was just giving my side" defense.

The difference is that I have come up with indisputable facts as to why these shows are shit, you haven't.

All we have is your opinion, nothing else.

Whether I like Danny or not doesn't matter, the facts speak for themselves.

You've come up with indisputable bullshit, sure.

Yelling on the Internet isn't evidence - if you've got all these facts in your office adn really want to make a compelling case, then post them. I'm sure more people than myself will be interested to see them.

Of course this would mean you had such things and weren't just yelling on the Interent - which you obviously are.

PROTIP: Facts != shit you made up to sound impressive.

I'm happy for everyone to form their own opinions, but lets try making sure that they hear the truth about how his shows are run.

Sure, as long as the truth is the bullshit you made up, right?

That last comment is a classic, "And don't blame me for the state of bodybuilding: it's selfish enough by itself without my help".

What are we to make of that? "Well everyone else is selfish so I might as well be too".

It's because of you and others like you that bodybuilding is struggling.

You are all happy to take from the sport but you offer little in return.

You character certainly fits in well with Danny's philosophy.

I hear that when you're a liar that won't post his evidence, you don't get to challenge the integrity of other people?

If you had evidence, you'd post it. In other words, you're a bullshitter with a hand of empty cards.

Thanks for playing, but you can try this again when you've got more than hot air to work with.

[Ann]

Hurry up Craig and post... can't wait to hear your response.... shit this is better than Days of Our Lives :wave: :wave:

[1day]

sum1 needs to tell Outlaw53 that he doesnt have to quote every thing that is above his post.......... ohh ,guess i just told him. so carry on

[trainharder]

I have never stopped you from expressing your point of view, I've simply let you know that I don't agree with it.

Why can't I let people know the other side of the coin - you are painting Danny and his WNBF shows to be something worthwhile.

In my opinion they are not worth wasting your time or money on.

That would have been nice to say back when you were saying Danny was a scumbag, and that you had evidence showing Danny was a scumbag, and when you said I had no integrity for sharing *my* opinion.

PROTIP: When you blast somebody for sharing her opinion, you don't get to use this "I was just giving my side" defense.

The difference is that I have come up with indisputable facts as to why these shows are shit, you haven't.

All we have is your opinion, nothing else.

Whether I like Danny or not doesn't matter, the facts speak for themselves.

You've come up with indisputable bullshit, sure.

Yelling on the Internet isn't evidence - if you've got all these facts in your office adn really want to make a compelling case, then post them. I'm sure more people than myself will be interested to see them.

Of course this would mean you had such things and weren't just yelling on the Interent - which you obviously are.

PROTIP: Facts != shit you made up to sound impressive.

I'm happy for everyone to form their own opinions, but lets try making sure that they hear the truth about how his shows are run.

Sure, as long as the truth is the bullshit you made up, right?

That last comment is a classic, "And don't blame me for the state of bodybuilding: it's selfish enough by itself without my help".

What are we to make of that? "Well everyone else is selfish so I might as well be too".

It's because of you and others like you that bodybuilding is struggling.

You are all happy to take from the sport but you offer little in return.

You character certainly fits in well with Danny's philosophy.

I hear that when you're a liar that won't post his evidence, you don't get to challenge the integrity of other people?

If you had evidence, you'd post it. In other words, you're a bullshitter with a hand of empty cards.

Thanks for playing, but you can try this again when you've got more than hot air to work with.

well said sportsgirl

you had a great experience and found the promoter very helpful

all you did was give your opinion as you experienced it.and get blasted because a promoter disagrees with you..

outlaw if you have facts then post them otherwise it sounds like you are just putting down a competitor to make yourself look better

its not cool man...

[bigmd]

the sooner this forum is put to sleep the better!!!! Its very ugly, acheiving nothing, and OL53 its probibly not helping the promotion of your show which i here is a very good event!!! Passion is onething but this is getting personal.

NZBB shut it down!!

[Outlaw53]

FACT: Danny belittles other federations and their champions at his shows telling his audiences that the other federations and their champions are illegitimate and that only the WNBF tests every competitor.

FACT: Danny doesn’t test every competitor. Many competitors who have competed at his shows have not been tested.

FACT: The urine tests that Danny does are not actual drug tests. (This has been admitted by Danny himself). The urine tests are precursor tests for his Polygraph tests.

FACT: Competitors are given a cup and told to go away and fill it by themselves. They are not chaperoned or observed by independent testers.

FACT: Not one single WNBF competitor has ever failed a urine test. They can’t because they are not legitimate tests.

FACT: There is no documentation anywhere of any drug testing from Danny’s shows.

FACT: The Polygraph is not at every show and it is not admissible in a court of law as Danny openly states on his website. Another indisputable lie.

FACT: South Australian Figure competitor Vivienne Krstic failed a drug test in New York by failing to pass her SCAN analysis form which every competitor must fill out as a pre-screen test for the Polygraph. For some unknown reason this was not picked up in either South Australia or at the National titles where she filled out the exact same form. There can be only two reasons for this – she didn’t get tested or Danny fucked up the test. Either way, it is damning evidence that the testing here in Australia is completely bogus.

FACT: The girl who placed second to Vivienne here in Australia has yet to receive her trophy after Vivienne was disqualified, despite assurances from Danny that he would get it to her. It was a too bigger pain in the arse to organise, so they just didn’t bother doing it. She is still waiting.

FACT: Two innocent athletes have failed WNBF Polygraph tests – one had an ASADA urinalysis test the week after he failed the WNBF Polygraph test and passed with flying colors with documentation verifying that he is clean.

FACT: Danny penalises competitors who compete with other federations.

FACT: One his ‘Australian Angles’ has felt Danny’s wrath. She is/was the ‘Glamorous Angel’. All her photos have been dragged or cropped out from the WNBF website and despite the fact that she won last year’s Overall Best Body Swimsuit Champion title, the girl who she beat for the Overall title was given preference in his poster so as to teach her a lesson. She told Danny that she was doing the ANB show so Danny cracked it and dragged all her photos from his website.

FACT: Danny tries to dictate and control his competitors. His other ‘Australian Angles’ have signed 3yr contracts and are not permitted to compete with any other federation. They get no money or payment for signing these contracts; it is purely so Danny can control them.

FACT: All WNBF shows here in Australia are placed the day before/after or the week before/after other federation shows in an attempt to steal competitors from other shows. Classic example – The WNBF Gold Coast show is on the day after the ANB Asia Pacific show on the Gold Coast in the hope that they will get some disgruntled losers from the ANB show.

FACT: Seriously………… how many more do you want?

These are just a few facts that I can remember off the top of my head. I could find plenty more if I could be bothered putting in a bit more time and effort.

I would be happy for anyone to prove me wrong on any of these statements. No one has been able to do it yet because it is all factual.

What about a some more facts?

FACT: I have been involved in bodybuilding here in Australia for over 35yrs, not 5mins like Sportsgirl. I run my own magazine and run my own bodybuilding show, nothing happens here in Australian bodybuilding without me hearing about it.

FACT: I don’t deal in lies and half-truths, just facts.

FACT: No one in NZ would have clue about the state of affairs in Australian bodybuilding, just as I would have no idea about bodybuilding in NZ. Why would you question what I say if you live in NZ?

Many of you are questioning my motives - what have I got to gain by making up lies about Danny? It’s not like I’m trying to steal competitors or fans from his shows – hardly anyone goes to them. The majority of competitors who win WNBF shows here in Australia would be lucky to place at other federations, the standard is very ordinary.

You are wasting your time and money if you think that you will get strong opposition and a well run comp at Danny’s show. The ANB show has 140 competitors already and looks like getting close to 200! Danny is banking on interstate, international or disgruntled competitors doing his show the day after the ANB show to get his numbers up. I realise that I am stating the bleedin’ obvious here, but many of you seem to have trouble facing up to the facts.

I’m happy for you guys to flame me all you like, I’m only trying to give you honest advice as to how things are here in Australia. It is obvious from your comments that some of you are too stubborn or too stupid to face up to the facts that Danny and his WNBF shows are a complete joke.

As for Sportsgirl's comments in reply to my previous post, once again they are the ramblings of someone who has very little idea about what she is talking about.

Again, you have no idea what an argument is. It’s about two people like us having differing opinions.

My comment about you having no integrity is not because of your opinion; everyone is entitled to have their own opinion; that has nothing to do with integrity.

The reason I believe you have no integrity is because despite the overwhelming evidence that Danny is running dodgy shows, you are still prepared to support him and chase after easy trophies and paper titles. You know his shows are dodgy but your ego has driven you to prove that you are right and I am wrong and it has now seen you dig yourself a hole that you can’t get out of.

Many of the facts that I have produced can be checked via Danny’s website but you are just too lazy to do it yourself. This is where a lot of my information comes from yet you sit here and accuse me of bullshitting. Check and cross-reference some of the points that I’ve made and see for yourself if I am bullshitting or not.

What will you do when you eventually find out the truth?

It’s going to be pretty embarrassing for you, but don’t say you weren’t told.

[Outlaw53]

the sooner this forum is put to sleep the better!!!! Its very ugly, acheiving nothing, and OL53 its probibly not helping the promotion of your show which i here is a very good event!!! Passion is onething but this is getting personal.

NZBB shut it down!!

I appreciate your concern about this thread not helping my show, but I'm not worried in the slightest.

I am happy for people to form their own opinions on both myself and my show.

If this thread puts people off from competing in my show then that's fine by me, I would rather that they don't attend anyway.

The CCI is a very good event, thank-you for the kind words, many people think that it is the best amateur show in Australia, but I am always working hard to make it better.

I can't see any reason for this thread to be dragged and would prefer that it stayed up so as to give New Zealand bodybuilders some factual information on how WNBF shows are run here in Australia.

[AllenNZ]

Ok Outlaw i hear with your show this year you will not be running women bodybuilding class as you have said it’s not worth it. Well i know that there were 3 or more women that wanted to come over from NZ to do that class. From what i have seen is that women bodybuilding is not the in thing in AUS. Can you answer this for the women bodybuilders.

I will catch with you at your show in Bendgo

AllenNZ

[Outlaw53]

Ok Outlaw i hear with your show this year you will not be running women bodybuilding class as you have said it’s not worth it. Well i know that there were 3 or more women that wanted to come over from NZ to do that class. From what i have seen is that women bodybuilding is not the in thing in AUS. Can you answer this for the women bodybuilders.

I will catch with you at your show in Bendgo

AllenNZ

Women's Bodybuilding is dead in the water over here mate.

There have been some massive debates about it with everyone searching for answers, but none of us has a solution for it.

In a nutshell, women are refusing to compete in Women's Bodybuilding competitions.

Many of them have trimmed down and gone on to compete as Figure competitors just to get some competition.

Coral Moody and Melita Jagic were two of our best Physique competitors.

Coral has had enormous success in Figure and Melita is about to compete in her first Figure comp very soon.

Both cited lack of competition for their decision to switch to Figure.

A good example was the recent Aussie Pro show.

There were only two Physique girls competing in the amateur All States competition and both of them came from NZ.

Last year the NABBA Aust Women's Bodybuilding class attracted only one competitor, (she placed third at my CCI show that year too).

She travelled all the way from QLD to WA only to find out that no other women could be bothered.

I think Women's Bodybuilding will be gone in the next 5-10yrs.

Already promoters and federations are questioning whether it is worth doing anymore.

Rumour has it that one federation will only hold a National Women's Bodybuilding class as there are not enough competitors for the State shows.

It makes pretty good sense as every female bodybuilder qualifies for the Nationals as they are usually the only one in their class.

On another Aussie forum site, we attempted to list the current top 10 female bodybuilders in Australia.

I think we got to about 3 before we all gave up, with someone even bringing up the name of a deceased competitor!

Just last week I was asked to find a big muscley Physique girl who was in shape for a TV sketch, I couldn't name anyone.

I'm disappointed for the Kiwi girls who wanted to do my show, but I have recommended that they do Mark Ryan's Southern Hemisphere comp which is about a month before my show.

I believe they are now going to the Gold Coast show instead.

I have championed Women's Bodybuilding in Australia for years, but I have now come to realise that it is a waste of time, the women are not supporting it.

I look forward to meeting the NZ team in Bendigo this year.

I'm sure you will have a great time.

Thanks for the support.

[Sportsgirl]

FACT: Danny belittles other federations and their champions at his shows telling his audiences that the other federations and their champions are illegitimate and that only the WNBF tests every competitor.

FACT: Danny doesn’t test every competitor. Many competitors who have competed at his shows have not been tested.

FACT: The urine tests that Danny does are not actual drug tests. (This has been admitted by Danny himself). The urine tests are precursor tests for his Polygraph tests.

FACT: Competitors are given a cup and told to go away and fill it by themselves. They are not chaperoned or observed by independent testers.

FACT: Not one single WNBF competitor has ever failed a urine test. They can’t because they are not legitimate tests.

FACT: There is no documentation anywhere of any drug testing from Danny’s shows.

FACT: The Polygraph is not at every show and it is not admissible in a court of law as Danny openly states on his website. Another indisputable lie.

FACT: South Australian Figure competitor Vivienne Krstic failed a drug test in New York by failing to pass her SCAN analysis form which every competitor must fill out as a pre-screen test for the Polygraph. For some unknown reason this was not picked up in either South Australia or at the National titles where she filled out the exact same form. There can be only two reasons for this – she didn’t get tested or Danny fucked up the test. Either way, it is damning evidence that the testing here in Australia is completely bogus.

FACT: The girl who placed second to Vivienne here in Australia has yet to receive her trophy after Vivienne was disqualified, despite assurances from Danny that he would get it to her. It was a too bigger pain in the arse to organise, so they just didn’t bother doing it. She is still waiting.

FACT: Two innocent athletes have failed WNBF Polygraph tests – one had an ASADA urinalysis test the week after he failed the WNBF Polygraph test and passed with flying colors with documentation verifying that he is clean.

FACT: Danny penalises competitors who compete with other federations.

FACT: One his ‘Australian Angles’ has felt Danny’s wrath. She is/was the ‘Glamorous Angel’. All her photos have been dragged or cropped out from the WNBF website and despite the fact that she won last year’s Overall Best Body Swimsuit Champion title, the girl who she beat for the Overall title was given preference in his poster so as to teach her a lesson. She told Danny that she was doing the ANB show so Danny cracked it and dragged all her photos from his website.

FACT: Danny tries to dictate and control his competitors. His other ‘Australian Angles’ have signed 3yr contracts and are not permitted to compete with any other federation. They get no money or payment for signing these contracts; it is purely so Danny can control them.

FACT: All WNBF shows here in Australia are placed the day before/after or the week before/after other federation shows in an attempt to steal competitors from other shows. Classic example – The WNBF Gold Coast show is on the day after the ANB Asia Pacific show on the Gold Coast in the hope that they will get some disgruntled losers from the ANB show.

FACT: Seriously………… how many more do you want?

These are just a few facts that I can remember off the top of my head. I could find plenty more if I could be bothered putting in a bit more time and effort.

I would be happy for anyone to prove me wrong on any of these statements. No one has been able to do it yet because it is all factual.

That's a nice list of "facts" you have typed out there, but I still don't see any evidence to back it up. Just because you say it, doesn't mean it's true.

The same way I can say I was urine tested at both shows I competed in. Both times I had a stranger follow me into the toilet and watch me pee into a cup. I sat there waiting my turn like all the other competitors that got tested. I was also given a form to say I had passed the test. Take it my word for it or not.

You are right: the polygraph is not at every show. It was at the first show but not at the second show I did.

Many of the facts that I have produced can be checked via Danny’s website but you are just too lazy to do it yourself. This is where a lot of my information comes from yet you sit here and accuse me of bullshitting. Check and cross-reference some of the points that I’ve made and see for yourself if I am bullshitting or not.

Nice try, but you have the burden of proof, not me. I'm not the one making accusations.

What will you do when you eventually find out the truth?

It’s going to be pretty embarrassing for you, but don’t say you weren’t told.

LOL! I'm not exactly sure what I'm going to be embarrassed about. I haven't said anything but say I've had a good experience with the federation and Danny's behaviour has been favourable so far.