2009 NZFBB Auckland Champs

[musclenz]

if u guys wernt involved in running the shows and trying to keep comments "pc", i think you may voice concerns etc , i dont see outlaws comments as a bad thing, why accept it the way it is? why not look to make bigger and better changes?

i think musclenz summed it up pretty well above

Sorry, auck_builder, but can you please elaborate. I'm assuming you are referring to musclenz's suggestion that we go back to the way it was 10 years ago - how is that making "bigger and better changes"?

I did voice "concerns" in my post and I know that Moe himself will admit the night show was too long, and I've put some reasons why having less classes is not an ideal situation.

Perhaps you can enlighten us from your experience as an event organiser? I'm not being sarcastic - I assume you have organised events and appreciate all aspects and considerations that this job involves?

My statement ....."generally get back to what used to happen 10 years ago where you actually got to see a bodybuilding show for bodybuilders".....was an attempt to point out that the commercialization of shows now in an attempt to make them more appealing to a greater audience & thus attract a higher number of sponsors, does not IMO, reflect a better environment for the competitors, nor the audience. Perhaps you & other organisers need to reflect on how running a show for 35-40 competitors in 20 categories can be good for the promotion & continuation of the sport. Maybe it might be time to look at reducing the amount of regional shows to a number that would attract sufficient people to make it a fair competition for both competitors & spectators. I am in no way trying to diminish the efforts people like you & Moe put into the sport. My point is, often less is better.

[Small]

i dont know u but u seem to know us ,come and front me up up in gym about his calves we can have a chat and coffee about it, u will find us there 8.00pm to 9.15pm and ask for me walid,

look out at the elite show cause he will have an overall better package,

peace

only if your paying for this coffee..tho ive got work tamro nite hmmm. good luck with the elite show, is he going to continue forth to nationals?

small look at these pics and tell me if hes is watery or soft, loo kat him next to T as well

my concerns were not with any "watery or soft appearence"...and not ta bust ya bubble but that pic next to T only confirms my opinions.

[Outlaw53]

No worries mate, 60 competitors is an awesome turn-out.

Any promoter over here would take that for a regional show any day, so well done on that.

glad that important point has been clarified, it wasn't long ago that we had 19 turn up to compete in the same show.

Credit where it's due, the hype bought the heat.

Craig, tell me, does EVERY person who goes to the country classic stay till the end, and do they only turn up to watch their family/friends or do some come for the entertainment...seeing that Bendigo is the Vegas of northern Vic?

Absolutely, credit where its due, 60 competitors is a fantastic turn out.

As for the CCI, the end of the show is the busiest part of the day by far.

It's absolutely packed, the crowd come to see the big guys I think.

Besides, I only have 6 classes, so the day is fast and entertaining. Everyone seems to enjoy it.

I can safely say that I don't think a single person has ever left a CCI show early - never.

I have people from all over Aust and NZ attending the show.

Most people who come to watch the show are just fans, but obviously some of the competitors bring friends too.

I sold 10 tickets to a guy in QLD the other day.

I have no idea who he is, him and his mates are all coming down just to watch the show even they have no one they know going in it.

Its a strange show mate, it seems to attract people from all over the place, I dunno why?

Come over and see for yourself.

I just wish I could get them in the theatre a bit quicker.

They seem to dawdle around the foyer chatting away.

I have a band opening up the show this year, so hopefully they will get everyone in on time.

You are more than welcome to attend mate, I am happy to put a seat aside for you.

[MasterTel]

My statement ....."generally get back to what used to happen 10 years ago where you actually got to see a bodybuilding show for bodybuilders".....was an attempt to point out that the commercialization of shows now in an attempt to make them more appealing to a greater audience & thus attract a higher number of sponsors, does not IMO, reflect a better environment for the competitors, nor the audience. Perhaps you & other organisers need to reflect on how running a show for 35-40 competitors in 20 categories can be good for the promotion & continuation of the sport. Maybe it might be time to look at reducing the amount of regional shows to a number that would attract sufficient people to make it a fair competition for both competitors & spectators. I am in no way trying to diminish the efforts people like you & Moe put into the sport. My point is, often less is better.

That's a reasonable suggestion, musclenz. We do have 1 or 2 less regional shows now than a few years ago, and as Mike K pointed out we were barely getting 20 competitors at the Auckland Champs 3-4 years ago. Hopefully we can end up getting 75-80 competitors at this event in another year or two? We could also cut out a couple of classes, but if you start dropping shows and classes too much then you will end up with only 80 competitors at Nationals - not a bad number, but a lot less than the 140 we had last year.

We also cut back the number of Open Men's classes at Nationals a couple of years ago (i.e. from Under 65kg, 65-70kg, 70-75kg etc to 10kg splits like regional events) to make these classes bigger.

Less shows and classes is likely to reduce sponsorship income, or at least the number of sponsors supporting events. It is also likely to reduce overall annual profit for the organisation, which for the past few years has been approx $40K per annum (the NZFBB is currently about $80K in the black after being $55K in the red in 2005).

It's a fine line to come up with the ideal structure and balance - and various factors that affect competitor numbers and sponsorship involvement are constantly changing.

[Outlaw53]

if u guys wernt involved in running the shows and trying to keep comments "pc", i think you may voice concerns etc , i dont see outlaws comments as a bad thing, why accept it the way it is? why not look to make bigger and better changes?

i think musclenz summed it up pretty well above

Sorry, auck_builder, but can you please elaborate. I'm assuming you are referring to musclenz's suggestion that we go back to the way it was 10 years ago - how is that making "bigger and better changes"?

I did voice "concerns" in my post and I know that Moe himself will admit the night show was too long, and I've put some reasons why having less classes is not an ideal situation.

Perhaps you can enlighten us from your experience as an event organiser? I'm not being sarcastic - I assume you have organised events and appreciate all aspects and considerations that this job involves?

My statement ....."generally get back to what used to happen 10 years ago where you actually got to see a bodybuilding show for bodybuilders".....was an attempt to point out that the commercialization of shows now in an attempt to make them more appealing to a greater audience & thus attract a higher number of sponsors, does not IMO, reflect a better environment for the competitors, nor the audience. Perhaps you & other organisers need to reflect on how running a show for 35-40 competitors in 20 categories can be good for the promotion & continuation of the sport. Maybe it might be time to look at reducing the amount of regional shows to a number that would attract sufficient people to make it a fair competition for both competitors & spectators. I am in no way trying to diminish the efforts people like you & Moe put into the sport. My point is, often less is better.

These are great points mate, less is definitely better.

Problem being, if you were to cut back on shows and classes, the opposition federations will seize the opportunity and offer extra shows and extra classes to attract competitors to their federation.

In a perfect world all the feds would get together and organise their contest calendar with each other and agree to cut out all these silly wasteful classes and just stick with the basic classes that we used to have.

This is in effect where reality sets in.

Getting all the feds to even speak with each other let alone coordinate their shows together is about as realistic as asking a bear to wipe its arse after it shits in the woods.

[bigmd]

is ther anything new to talk about yet, im as passonate as you get about bodybuilding but this is BORING!

[Loochi]

Mike D,

What one advice would you give to a n00b like me? In regards to getting huge/ripped etc etc.

That's someting new to talk about.

Go.

[auck_builder]

stop fasting

[bigmd]

Mike D,

What one advice would you give to a n00b like me? In regards to getting huge/ripped etc etc.

That's someting new to talk about.

Go.

keep it simple, never miss meals, consistancy in eveything is the key, and dont get dragged into looking for the wounder supplement, it doesnt exist!!!

Basic Training+good nutrition+ basic supplementation+ consistancy= success

its taken me 20yrs to acheive what i set out to acheive, so dont expect to do it over night :wink:

[Gym rat]

I have huge passion for bodybuilding but this thread is starting to get very boring.

[Cronus]

Hey Mike D, saw you at the show and was blown away with your physique! Huge amount of mass from the 2007 Nats. You have the complete package and will do NZ Bodybuilding proud with what you bring on stage. Good luck for your debut.

keep it simple, never miss meals, consistancy in eveything is the key, and dont get dragged into looking for the wounder supplement, it doesnt exist!!!

Basic Training+good nutrition+ basic supplementation+ consistancy= success

Best advice Iv'e read on this site... period.

[Outlaw53]

I get bored with all the crap on TV too, so I just change the channel or turn the thing off.

For those who are bored there is a simple solution, read another thread or don't bother logging on.

No one is forcing you to read it.

[musclenz]

My statement ....."generally get back to what used to happen 10 years ago where you actually got to see a bodybuilding show for bodybuilders".....was an attempt to point out that the commercialization of shows now in an attempt to make them more appealing to a greater audience & thus attract a higher number of sponsors, does not IMO, reflect a better environment for the competitors, nor the audience. Perhaps you & other organisers need to reflect on how running a show for 35-40 competitors in 20 categories can be good for the promotion & continuation of the sport. Maybe it might be time to look at reducing the amount of regional shows to a number that would attract sufficient people to make it a fair competition for both competitors & spectators. I am in no way trying to diminish the efforts people like you & Moe put into the sport. My point is, often less is better.

That's a reasonable suggestion, musclenz. We do have 1 or 2 less regional shows now than a few years ago, and as Mike K pointed out we were barely getting 20 competitors at the Auckland Champs 3-4 years ago. Hopefully we can end up getting 75-80 competitors at this event in another year or two? We could also cut out a couple of classes, but if you start dropping shows and classes too much then you will end up with only 80 competitors at Nationals - not a bad number, but a lot less than the 140 we had last year.

We also cut back the number of Open Men's classes at Nationals a couple of years ago (i.e. from Under 65kg, 65-70kg, 70-75kg etc to 10kg splits like regional events) to make these classes bigger.

Less shows and classes is likely to reduce sponsorship income, or at least the number of sponsors supporting events. It is also likely to reduce overall annual profit for the organisation, which for the past few years has been approx $40K per annum (the NZFBB is currently about $80K in the black after being $55K in the red in 2005).

It's a fine line to come up with the ideal structure and balance - and various factors that affect competitor numbers and sponsorship involvement are constantly changing.

I'm wondering whether you increased numbers in the last 2 years has something to do with the policies, or indecission :pfft: on testing. With the slow demise of NABBA NZ, top competitors can choose to compete with the "real" NABBA in Australia, or support NZFBB here in NZ. I believe this is your best opportunity to become the dominant force in BBing here, & from what I understand from those competing this year, you may well be receiving a record number of entrants into the National Comps. Good luck with that & thanks for your continued feedback on this site as an Executive member of NZFBB.

[Outlaw53]

lol i have no exp at all, just enjoy peoples opinions that arnt always PC or to the "rules" (not saying u wer) - think they wernt destructive

Outlaw u deserve a trophy for a huge trophy effort & consistancy thru out the thread!

LOL...............I'm glad I've entertained someone.

There's a lot of sheep on this thread who just follow the flock, agreeing with everything that others say, not wanting to step out of line.

I'm definitely the black sheep of the family, no one wants to be seen or associated with me.

You won't make any friends if you continue to make complimentary posts about me auck_builder. :naughty:

[Android]

I don't know if this appropriate to put here but Outlaw reads this thread so it seems right :-)

I've just read you online website Outlaw and now understand why you post like you do. This is only an observation and in no way am I hammering you on this...

Your first 2 paragraphs on your "About" page stress about what's wrong with the current publications and how they don't showcase local talent. The 3rd paragraph even says "...we will not be “sell-outs” in order to get the general public to buy our magazine"

It's like reading your posts, you stress the negative but it's "your way" of getting your point across.

I personally would rather read "we are showcasing local talent, they deserve xyz and let's support their hard-earned efforts ...et etc".

Do you see what I mean?

I believe more and more people dislike negativity.

I work in corporate environments and a negative person is out the door asap. Doesn't mean we ignore negative things or don't want to fix them, it's just we want to hear positive solutions to "challenges" and dwelling on negative problems is well, negative.

Am interested to know if you heard Kai Greene's speech at the Oz Pro Show about positive thoughts and energy? What did you think about what he was saying? I thought it was brilliant!

I hope the magazine goes well, I know it will as you're a passionate person I just thought I'd try and work out who you were and why you seem to post what appears to be rant after rant and why I don't particularly like reading them.

I personally believe the audience that prefers positivity would be larger than the audience that prefers the negative style of writing but that's jsut my opinion and you're not chasing the almighty dollar so that's cool, niche market and all that.

I haven't read one of your magazines so I am only making an observation on the website but it did make sense to me when I read the About page, "this is Outlaw"...if you know what I mean :nod:

[Outlaw53]

I'm wondering whether you increased numbers in the last 2 years has something to do with the policies, or indecission on testing. With the slow demise of NABBA NZ, top competitors can choose to compete with the "real" NABBA in Australia, or support NZFBB here in NZ. I believe this is your best opportunity to become the dominant force in BBing here, & from what I understand from those competing this year, you may well be receiving a record number of entrants into the National Comps. Good luck with that & thanks for your continued feedback on this site as an Executive member of NZFBB.

You could be onto something there musclenz?

There is no testing at any IFBB shows in Aust and numbers are always good.

I'd definitely like to echo your thoughts on MasterTel, his input has been very much appreciated.

[luv.me.oats]

I'm definitely the black sheep of the family, no one wants to be seen or associated with me.

I do :nod: Did you not see my thank u list,

Hardcore Aussie muscle rocks, I fully support that mag. Profiling/interviewing competitors and your coverage at shows, we don't get any exposure in newspapers or on the news, unless it's of a contorversial nature. i.e. hydroxycuts a few weeks back. So it's awesome that someone passionate about the sport gives us a boost.

I've never been to a CCI show, but my mates who've competed over there have thoroughly enjoyed the experience. Competing against others people that you would not normally get the chance too.

I have no problem with the way NZFBB shows have been run, they have been a great experience, full support and gratitude to those who have organised them and helped back stage. I'm going to sound selfish, but as long as the competitors are looked after on the day, as it is 'our day' that's all I"m worried about. Glitches are always going to happen, that's just life as long as the show goes on.

Last Saturday, of course it would've been good to get more competitors in classes on stage, but it's only early in the years and Nats is coming anywayz.

Speaking about Aussie shows and this comment will probably get bumped, but the way NABBA Southern hemisphere was run on the Gold Coast was top notch definitely set the benchmark, in comparison to NABBA NZ. perhaps they should take a leaf out of there book.

[Outlaw53]

I don't know if this appropriate to put here but Outlaw reads this thread so it seems right :-)

I've just read you online website Outlaw and now understand why you post like you do. This is only an observation and in no way am I hammering you on this...

Your first 2 paragraphs on your "About" page stress about what's wrong with the current publications and how they don't showcase local talent. The 3rd paragraph even says "...we will not be “sell-outs” in order to get the general public to buy our magazine"

It's like reading your posts, you stress the negative but it's "your way" of getting your point across.

I personally would rather read "we are showcasing local talent, they deserve xyz and let's support their hard-earned efforts ...et etc".

Do you see what I mean?

I believe more and more people dislike negativity.

I work in corporate environments and a negative person is out the door asap. Doesn't mean we ignore negative things or don't want to fix them, it's just we want to hear positive solutions to "challenges" and dwelling on negative problems is well, negative.

Am interested to know if you heard Kai Greene's speech at the Oz Pro Show about positive thoughts and energy? What did you think about what he was saying? I thought it was brilliant!

I hope the magazine goes well, I know it will as you're a passionate person I just thought I'd try and work out who you were and why you seem to post what appears to be rant after rant and why I don't particularly like reading them.

I personally believe the audience that prefers positivity would be larger than the audience that prefers the negative style of writing but that's jsut my opinion and you're not chasing the almighty dollar so that's cool, niche market and all that.

I haven't read one of your magazines so I am only making an observation on the website but it did make sense to me when I read the About page, "this is Outlaw"...if you know what I mean :nod:

LOL.............Thanks Android, you post some good stuff here, I enjoy reading your comments.

I guess I have my own style, everyone tells me that all the time.

I'm just like everyone else over here in Aust, I'm sick to death of picking up a bodybuilding magazine and not getting any bodybuilding, even worse, no local bodybuilding.

We are all fed up with it, so I guess my frustrating comes through on a lot of my quotes.

Everyone needs a point of difference, I guess telling people that we are sick and tired of reading crappy mags or attending shitty shows is my way of getting my point across.

Its not a deliberate thing, it just sort of happened.

At least I won't get lost in the rush.

As you are all well aware, I can whinge with the best of them, but I am also prepared to get off my arse and do something about it.

Hence the creation of the CCI (comp) and HCAM (magazine).

I'm not claiming that either of them are perfect, but I can promise you that they are both very entertaining and focus on just one thing - bodybuilding - Australian bodybuilding.

I can promise you there is no negative energy at the CCI or in HCAM.

Please PM me your postal address so as I can send a copy of the mag to you, I would love to get your feedback on it.

As for Kai's speech, to be honest, it didn't do it for me, I think I was snoring by the end of it.

A bit too weird and deep for me, I dunno, I couldn't relate to it.

I'd much prefer to listen to Lee Priest talk - always entertaining and willing to stir up a bit of controversy.

Lee pushes even my boundaries with some of the things that he says, but at least he holds my attention.

Thanks for the feedback mate, I will take it on board.

Don't forget to send me an addy so as I can send you a mag.

[Android]

Thanks Outlaw

[Outlaw53]

I'm definitely the black sheep of the family, no one wants to be seen or associated with me.

I do :nod: Did you not see my thank u list,

Hardcore Aussie muscle rocks, I fully support that mag. Profiling/interviewing competitors and your coverage at shows, we don't get any exposure in newspapers or on the news, unless it's of a contorversial nature. i.e. hydroxycuts a few weeks back. So it's awesome that someone passionate about the sport gives us a boost.

I've never been to a CCI show, but my mates who've competed over there have thoroughly enjoyed the experience. Competing against others people that you would not normally get the chance too.

I have no problem with the way NZFBB shows have been run, they have been a great experience, full support and gratitude to those who have organised them and helped back stage. I'm going to sound selfish, but as long as the competitors are looked after on the day, as it is 'our day' that's all I"m worried about. Glitches are always going to happen, that's just life as long as the show goes on.

Last Saturday, of course it would've been good to get more competitors in classes on stage, but it's only early in the years and Nats is coming anywayz.

Speaking about Aussie shows and this comment will probably get bumped, but the way NABBA Southern hemisphere was run on the Gold Coast was top notch definitely set the benchmark, in comparison to NABBA NZ. perhaps they should take a leaf out of there book.

LOL.........I know you did Lucie, I just didn't want to embarrass you in front of everyone here by associating with me.

The NABBA show you competed in was a ripper and a big line-up in your class too - 8 I think.

Third was a great effort, those first two girls were massive!

Mark is easily one of Australia's best promoters.

That photoshoot we did with you was awesome.

You really melted a few lenses with your sultry look/style.

Both Dallas (photographer) and Mark (promoter) were rapt.

I will look forward to getting you in the magazine.

The camera loves you.

Thanks for the support babes.

[Loochi]

Mike D,

What one advice would you give to a n00b like me? In regards to getting huge/ripped etc etc.

That's someting new to talk about.

Go.

keep it simple, never miss meals, consistancy in eveything is the key, and dont get dragged into looking for the wounder supplement, it doesnt exist!!!

Basic Training+good nutrition+ basic supplementation+ consistancy= success

its taken me 20yrs to acheive what i set out to acheive, so dont expect to do it over night :wink:

Thanks Mike! I'll keep doin what I'm doin.

LOL @ auck builder.

[Optimass]

You could be onto something there musclenz?

There is no testing at any IFBB shows in Aust and numbers are always good.

:clap:

[michaelk]

Everyone who goes to a bodybuilding competition does so because they have a friend in it.

There are virtually no fans left

Most people who come to watch the show are just fans

usually give up by the half time break

I don't think a single person has ever left a CCI show early - never.

the end of the show is the busiest part of the day by far.

I love contradiction Craig

Is HCAM looking for an editor?

[Outlaw53]

Everyone who goes to a bodybuilding competition does so because they have a friend in it.

There are virtually no fans left

Most people who come to watch the show are just fans

usually give up by the half time break

I don't think a single person has ever left a CCI show early - never.

the end of the show is the busiest part of the day by far.

I love contradiction Craig

Is HCAM looking for an editor?

Thanks for pointing those quotes out mate.

The CCI is the exception to the rule and is the only show that I have been to where genuine fans come to watch the show and nobody leaves until the end.

It's a very unique show.

It is created to entertain the true bodybuilding fans and serious bodybuilders.

It doesn't cater for Sportsmodels and "Trophy hunters", just bodybuilders and bodybuilding fans.

Having said that, competitors who have brought along their family and friends have all commented how much their friends enjoyed the show.

Luke Wood brought his mum and dad down for the first year and they stayed for the whole show, even though Luke's Guest Posing spot came on just after half time.

He said that it was the first time that they had ever sat through an entire show and that they were thoroughly entertained.

The CCI is not like any other bodybuilding show.

It is Australia's most entertaining bodybuilding show, just wait until you see what I've got in store for this year!!

How does that old saying go - "Build it and they will come".

[trinityau]

im sure you guys probably moved on since the bikini class convo but im bringing it back so ignore this if your bored of this topic

i think the class is a great idea and should be kept however it needs a hell of alot of sprucing up, im all for reaching out to a wider audience but this is still meant to be a competition of athletes and fitness it brings the credibility of the organization down as a whole if this category is not up to par