2009 NZFBB Auckland Champs

[laurasaur]

holy shit this got out of hand haha. I just wanted to add my 2 cents like a few other people have said I wasn't there to watch anyone I knew performing, and I know lots of people in the audience weren't either so I think your assumption in that case is pretty off...

[trainharder]

mmmm same sex marriage is legal here in nz now not sure about aussie

i wont judge you guys okay each to their own

nzbodybuilding.co.nz has its first marriage

You can be my Best Man if musclenz accepts, as he will be wearing the dress.

Hopefully 1day and I can become friends so as he can be one of our bridesmaids.

cool so do i get a trophy for turning up

[goku_kakarot77]

trainharder wrote:and tony freeman ,marchus ruhl etc will never win mr olympia

i would rather see a guy 220 or 230 pounds win whos pleasing to look at small waist symmetrical proportional and cut to shreds win over a guy 290 or 300 pounds whos 6ft3 and not in the same condition

hence why t should have won over kahlid

but hay i apparently dont know anything and cant understand anything isnt that right..

trainharder wrote:no matter how many times i repeat that you dont get it.

:roll: go have another meal or summin

hi guys just joined this site,

im khalids bro if u guys want to know, i got him prepared last two weeks b4 contest

small: i admit Taisena (spelling) looked great on the day and his posing was outstanding, but the pics dont do justice, my bro upfront in person is very hard and extremely vascular and has striations in his chest and delts, on stage we wanted him to look more fuller not flat, his mass cannot be beaten, as for his upper legs we wanted to make them MUCH larger than his calves to give his legs that more athletical appearance

ie: small ankles , athlete looking calves and big front quads, (picture trey brewers legs)

if his calves got too big his lower limbs would look very stumpy, and would take away that look that we wanted to achieve.

as for his delts, we wanted them to grow more along with his back to make his waist look smaller to create that "illusion of size, V shape", his waist is quite large but still quite small for his upper body .

the reason why his waist is quite large and his muscles are thick is that he did not want him to loose size when preparing for show, all the way up to comp we were still doing heavy compound multi joint movements to keep the thickness and size,he squats deep ass to floor above 220kg for reps, dead lifts about 290-300kgfor reps, that explains why his waist is thick and muscular,if he can lift those amount weights that must mean his core is very strong.

next up is the elite show in September, guaranteed he will look better,

we will be putting more size on arms and delts and tighting up his glutes,

he will be more dryer this time on stage watch, overall we looking for a more aesthetical look,

at the end of the day its up to the judges who wins , and the one that wins is the best man up there, and that went to my bro on the day,Taisena looked outstanding and amazing too pat on the back for him

big thanks to Musclenz he has helped us alot too

peace

-goku

ps:musclenz how u bro, have not heard from u in a while

[Loochi]

What nationality are you / khalid, kakarot?

[Outlaw53]

mmmm same sex marriage is legal here in nz now not sure about aussie

i wont judge you guys okay each to their own

nzbodybuilding.co.nz has its first marriage

You can be my Best Man if musclenz accepts, as he will be wearing the dress.

Hopefully 1day and I can become friends so as he can be one of our bridesmaids.

cool so do i get a trophy for turning up

Of course, I'd hate to break with tradition.

[Optimass]

you didn't strike me as an expert on the subject based on how you look.

im not sure what this was impying but if its that im not much of a bodybuilder by apperence/size etc, then i realize that ,but we all gota work with what we got ahe ,but by no means do i try to act like an expert, or try to be tough.

No wasn't saying you're not much of a bodybuilder mate - I was implyng that you look very much like a natural bodybuilder (yes) - and took into consideration your attendance and input in the steriod and prohormone forum. (basically you don't)

I just take exception to posts that are directed about other people that can be damaging. (There have been comments made by other members in the past about athletes I know and deserve respect - makes me :evil: ).

All good mate - will leave it there. It could be just the drop in carbs making me bitchy

[1day]

sweet as dude.

[MasterTel]

Gosh, I've been meaning to add something on this topic for the past few days, but it's been moving at such a pace it's hard to keep up!!

I was a co-host (with the lovely Charlie) at the event on Saturday night. I also ran the registration on Friday and acted as a sounding board for Moe if he needed advice in putting the show together.

Sure, there were some problems with the event e.g. late starts to both sessions, a much longer than necessary night show etc. I know having organised many shows that you can never run a perfect show. Moe will learn from this event (his first NZFBB event), and I feel that after weighing up all the pros and cons that this was an excellent event.

It was entirely down to Moe's generosity, influence and reputation that

a) NZ has been offered the 2011 IFBB Men's World Champs,

b) the current Ms Olympia Figure champ (Jennifer Gates) was able to be here,

c) $4,000 cash and several thousand dollars of prizes was given away.

As well as Jennifer being here, we had oustanding entertainment with Mike Debenham who looked amazing, a very slick and professional dance group plus Moe giving us an impromptu pose to his 2008 Olympia routine. The Bikini Class has been bagged, but it is a new IFBB class and good on Moe for adding this to the program as a trial.

Outlaw53 - I respect the fact you are an experienced and successful event organiser/promoter. Many of your posts on this forum have excellent suggestions, but recently (particularly in this post) they have become increasingly destructive rather than constructive.

As for these events being "trophy presentations", this is a difficult one to debate. The suggestion that we could have reduced the 8 Masters/Senior classes to 2 (one each for male and female) is not practical for several reasons. Firstly, the female have both physique and figure classes. Also, if we had made one class for the men (i.e. over 40) it would have had 5 competitors but one of these is in his early 60's and another 73 years of age. We get a number of guys competing in their late 50s and beyond and they deserve to compete together in the 50+ class.

Another reason why it is difficult to dramatically reduce class numbers is that a major source of income is from sponsorship. Sponsor's are allocated one or more classes at an event, and most sponsors will only take one class per event. If we chop classes then we lose sponsorship income. OK, we could increase the cost of class sponsorship to compensate for this, but it is hard enough to get sponsors at the current prices.

So I reckon Moe should be applauded for what he did on Saturday night, and has done (and will continue to do) to make bodybuilding more exciting and successful in this country. He is never afraid to take risks, and while they won't all come off, he will learn from those mistakes.

I'm organising the NZFBB North Island Champs this weekend. I've got over a dozen local sponsors on board, and we might only get 35-40 competitors spread over 18-20 classes. Before we get a chorus of another "trophy presentation" event, perhaps have a thought for what I have mentioned above.

Finally, I need to note that a lot of what goes on at an event (leading up to and behind the scenes on the day) goes unnoticed by most. And usually this is all done by a small group of people. Oomps did another amazing job backstage - this very good friend of mine has been a legend for many years with his efforts to run the backstage area (including the last 5 National Champs), and I know a lot of competitors and officials will agree with me on this. This devotion by the core group at most events was typified after midnight last Saturday with the four guys cleaning rubbish (including dirty nappies!) from under all the seats in the auditorium - Moe (event organiser), myself (MC), Oomps and Brian McFarlane (NZFBB President)!

[Gym rat]

Which city hear in NZ will be hosting the 2011 IFBB men's world champs?

[MasterTel]

Which city hear in NZ will be hosting the 2011 IFBB men's world champs?

Sorry, mate - I wouldn't get your hopes up that Dunedin will host it! :wink:

As much as I would like to host it in Wellington, the most logical choice would be Auckland.

[Gym rat]

Auckland would be my pick to host the 2011 IFBB mens world champs.

[gmm]

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[auck_builder]

if u guys wernt involved in running the shows and trying to keep comments "pc", i think you may voice concerns etc , i dont see outlaws comments as a bad thing, why accept it the way it is? why not look to make bigger and better changes?

i think musclenz summed it up pretty well above

[Gym rat]

Gosh, I've been meaning to add something on this topic for the past few days, but it's been moving at such a pace it's hard to keep up!!

I was a co-host (with the lovely Charlie) at the event on Saturday night. I also ran the registration on Friday and acted as a sounding board for Moe if he needed advice in putting the show together.

Sure, there were some problems with the event e.g. late starts to both sessions, a much longer than necessary night show etc. I know having organised many shows that you can never run a perfect show. Moe will learn from this event (his first NZFBB event), and I feel that after weighing up all the pros and cons that this was an excellent event.

It was entirely down to Moe's generosity, influence and reputation that

a) NZ has been offered the 2011 IFBB Men's World Champs,

b) the current Ms Olympia Figure champ (Jennifer Gates) was able to be here,

c) $4,000 cash and several thousand dollars of prizes was given away.

As well as Jennifer being here, we had oustanding entertainment with Mike Debenham who looked amazing, a very slick and professional dance group plus Moe giving us an impromptu pose to his 2008 Olympia routine. The Bikini Class has been bagged, but it is a new IFBB class and good on Moe for adding this to the program as a trial.

Outlaw53 - I respect the fact you are an experienced and successful event organiser/promoter. Many of your posts on this forum have excellent suggestions, but recently (particularly in this post) they have become increasingly destructive rather than constructive.

As for these events being "trophy presentations", this is a difficult one to debate. The suggestion that we could have reduced the 8 Masters/Senior classes to 2 (one each for male and female) is not practical for several reasons. Firstly, the female have both physique and figure classes. Also, if we had made one class for the men (i.e. over 40) it would have had 5 competitors but one of these is in his early 60's and another 73 years of age. We get a number of guys competing in their late 50s and beyond and they deserve to compete together in the 50+ class.

Another reason why it is difficult to dramatically reduce class numbers is that a major source of income is from sponsorship. Sponsor's are allocated one or more classes at an event, and most sponsors will only take one class per event. If we chop classes then we lose sponsorship income. OK, we could increase the cost of class sponsorship to compensate for this, but it is hard enough to get sponsors at the current prices.

So I reckon Moe should be applauded for what he did on Saturday night, and has done (and will continue to do) to make bodybuilding more exciting and successful in this country. He is never afraid to take risks, and while they won't all come off, he will learn from those mistakes.

I'm organising the NZFBB North Island Champs this weekend. I've got over a dozen local sponsors on board, and we might only get 35-40 competitors spread over 18-20 classes. Before we get a chorus of another "trophy presentation" event, perhaps have a thought for what I have mentioned above.

Finally, I need to note that a lot of what goes on at an event (leading up to and behind the scenes on the day) goes unnoticed by most. And usually this is all done by a small group of people. Oomps did another amazing job backstage - this very good friend of mine has been a legend for many years with his efforts to run the backstage area (including the last 5 National Champs), and I know a lot of competitors and officials will agree with me on this. This devotion by the core group at most events was typified after midnight last Saturday with the four guys cleaning rubbish (including dirty nappies!) from under all the seats in the auditorium - Moe (event organiser), myself (MC), Oomps and Brian McFarlane (NZFBB President)!

I also thought that was a great post as well

[MasterTel]

if u guys wernt involved in running the shows and trying to keep comments "pc", i think you may voice concerns etc , i dont see outlaws comments as a bad thing, why accept it the way it is? why not look to make bigger and better changes?

i think musclenz summed it up pretty well above

Sorry, auck_builder, but can you please elaborate. I'm assuming you are referring to musclenz's suggestion that we go back to the way it was 10 years ago - how is that making "bigger and better changes"?

I did voice "concerns" in my post and I know that Moe himself will admit the night show was too long, and I've put some reasons why having less classes is not an ideal situation.

Perhaps you can enlighten us from your experience as an event organiser? I'm not being sarcastic - I assume you have organised events and appreciate all aspects and considerations that this job involves?

[Small]

are we still friends small

y ofcourse :wink:

im khalids bro if u guys want to know, i got him prepared last two weeks b4 contest

are you one of the bros/cousins etc that was supposed to compete in the powerlifitn comp but then conviently didnt turn up (for whatever reason) ?

his mass cannot be beaten

i digress as I have discussed previously mass=good, mass + proportions + symmetry = better.. you admit yourself you wanted his legs to be disproportioned..

his upper legs we wanted to make them MUCH larger than his calves

i think this is one of the most idiotic things ever. you will never, ever win an overall title with weedy calves, no matter what reason (athletic apperance blah blah). There is an athletic class avaliable he shoudl step into that.

he squats deep ass to floor above 220kg for reps, dead lifts about 290-300kgfor reps

when you are up on stage no one gives a f*ck how much you can lift. as you know, thats powerlifting.

Taisena (spelling) looked great on the day and his posing was outstanding, but the pics dont do justice

to be honest I think the pics do him every justice; he was apparently fuller and harder at the night show, than during the AM, thus the pics make him look better than what he presented.

remember Nationals 2007 Junior Boys winner Teina O'Malley simmilar mass, yet proportional!!!aim to build his body towards that. not some "athletic" hoohaa drivel-he could go much further than that

oh and for any one who thinks I'm an internet warrior im not. id happily go to uni gym and tell him that he needs to work on his calves.

body building is about critique-this is not a line of fire aimed at him, instead it is a logical breakdown and response of posts and events relative to saturdays decisions.

[Outlaw53]

Nice post MasterTel.

You are the only person on this entire thread that has come up with a half decent excuse as to why there should be numerous classes.

Since nobody here has bothered to point it out, I will do it myself - Sponsorship $$$.

Although there are obviously a number of so-called promoters on here, (or you would think so with all their expert opinions), any bodybuilding promoter will tell you that getting sponsorship $$$ is like drawing blood from a stone.

It's the hardest thing a promoter does, going around to sponsors begging for money and getting knock back after knock back.

If it means having 20-30 classes per show and charging cheaper rates then I guess you have to do what you have to do.

I have been constructive and honest at all times so I'm not sure why you and others think that I am being destructive.

The only things that I have said is that the show was a "trophy presentation", (50 out of 57 competitors received a trophy) and that the promoter was late for his own show.

These are all facts which no one has denied, so I'm not sure if that is what you consider to be destructive?

Australian comps are a nightmare, we are seeing more and more "trophy presentations" all the time, we hardly ever see a proper contest any more.

I would hate to see NZ shows follow or lead but it looks like they already have.

[chickenman]

ive seen outlaw write "trophy presentation" more times in this thread than there was actual "trophy presentations" at the comp.... :nod:

[MasterTel]

Thanks, Outlaw53! Sorry, my use the word "destructive" was not appropriate. I was meaning the general theme of your comments wasn't always constructive by focussing on the negative aspects of the show when IMO the show had a hell of a lot more good than bad. It's great to highlight these problems (and believe me, we do take them on board) and suggest solutions, but a lot of the good work and ideas get ignored in the process.

Yes, getting sponsorship for a show is a VERY tough and time-consuming task with most shows - or at least any show that you want to at least break even on!

One other comment I would make about the high proportion of trophies per competitor at last weeks show: this is not the case with our main shows later in the year. The NZFBB only has two shows before September - the remaining 5 regional shows will get 65-90 competitors and we had 140 at last year's Nationals. Obviously the ratio of trophies to competitors is a lot less with these events. While these two early shows get lower competitor numbers, they are important as without them the calendar window would be very narrow (i.e. shows in Sept/Oct only).

[Gym rat]

ive seen outlaw write "trophy presentation" more times in this thread than there was actual "trophy presentations" at the comp.... :nod:

I have also notice outlaw write trophy presentation more times since I have been reading this thread.

[Outlaw53]

Thanks, Outlaw53! Sorry, my use the word "destructive" was not appropriate. I was meaning the general theme of your comments wasn't always constructive by focussing on the negative aspects of the show when IMO the show had a hell of a lot more good than bad. It's great to highlight these problems (and believe me, we do take them on board) and suggest solutions, but a lot of the good work and ideas get ignored in the process.

Yes, getting sponsorship for a show is a VERY tough and time-consuming task with most shows - or at least any show that you want to at least break even on!

One other comment I would make about the high proportion of trophies per competitor at last weeks show: this is not the case with our main shows later in the year. The NZFBB only has two shows before September - the remaining 5 regional shows will get 65-90 competitors and we had 140 at last year's Nationals. Obviously the ratio of trophies to competitors is a lot less with these events. While these two early shows get lower competitor numbers, they are important as without them the calendar window would be very narrow (i.e. shows in Sept/Oct only).

No worries mate, 60 competitors is an awesome turn-out.

Any promoter over here would take that for a regional show any day, so well done on that.

As you say, obviously later in the year the ratio's will be different with over double the competitors, so obviously it won't seem like a "trophy presentation" then. (lol.....sorry).

Surely regional shows like the one that has just been on can drop some of the unnecessary classes and offer them later in the year for the nationals?

INBA (Vic) and IFBB (Vic) do this all the time and everyone is happy with it.

Best of luck for later in the year and well done on your emceeing prowess, I believe you are pretty handy behind the mike mate, everything I have heard about you has been extremely complimentary, so good job.

[auck_builder]

lol i have no exp at all, just enjoy peoples opinions that arnt always PC or to the "rules" (not saying u wer) - think they wernt destructive

Outlaw u deserve a trophy for a huge trophy effort & consistancy thru out the thread!

[michaelk]

No worries mate, 60 competitors is an awesome turn-out.

Any promoter over here would take that for a regional show any day, so well done on that.

glad that important point has been clarified, it wasn't long ago that we had 19 turn up to compete in the same show.

Credit where it's due, the hype bought the heat.

MuscleNz: ten years ago (and nearly 20) the shows were finishing after 1:30am!!!! lets not go back to the "good old days".

funny story about trophy presentations, a friend of mine got one for third out of three a few years back and happily told me "he'd achieved his goal of coming away with a trophy"- he's lucky there wasn't a 4th competitor I guess.

Craig, tell me, does EVERY person who goes to the country classic stay til the end, and do they only turn up to watch their family/friends or do some come for the entertainment...seeing that Bendigo is the Vegas of northern Vic?

[goku_kakarot77]

are we still friends small

y ofcourse :wink:

im khalids bro if u guys want to know, i got him prepared last two weeks b4 contest

are you one of the bros/cousins etc that was supposed to compete in the powerlifitn comp but then conviently didnt turn up (for whatever reason) ?

yes that was me , if u dont know i bailed out of the comp due to the fact that i have a hernia operation july 27nth, since then lost 10kg

his mass cannot be beaten

i digress as I have discussed previously mass=good, mass + proportions + symmetry = better.. you admit yourself you wanted his legs to be disproportioned..

when i say disproportioned legs, i tried to mean that same size upper legs and lower legs dont look good aesthtically to the eye, they look better when quads over power calves, who likes kankles anyway? ur quads suppose to dominate calves

his upper legs we wanted to make them MUCH larger than his calves

i think this is one of the most idiotic things ever. you will never, ever win an overall title with weedy calves, no matter what reason (athletic apperance blah blah). There is an athletic class avaliable he shoudl step into that.

he is 19 and won the overall jnr, so he won overall title, he beat taisena(spelling) who was the defender, and this was my bro first show, and there will be more victorys to come guranteed

he squats deep ass to floor above 220kg for reps, dead lifts about 290-300kgfor reps

when you are up on stage no one gives a f*ck how much you can lift. as you know, thats powerlifting.

if u read what i wrote, i said his waist is due to the fact he can dead and squat alot, not bragging on about his strenght, but good to have power anyway

Taisena (spelling) looked great on the day and his posing was outstanding, but the pics dont do justice

to be honest I think the pics do him every justice; he was apparently fuller and harder at the night show, than during the AM, thus the pics make him look better than what he presented.

have u seen my bro upfront with no top on? yeh then u tell me weather he is watery or not, taisena looked great not bashing him, my bro destroys him in vascularity no question asked

remember Nationals 2007 Junior Boys winner Teina O'Malley simmilar mass, yet proportional!!!aim to build his body towards that. not some "athletic" hoohaa drivel-he could go much further than that

oh and for any one who thinks I'm an internet warrior im not. id happily go to uni gym and tell him that he needs to work on his calves.

body building is about critique-this is not a line of fire aimed at him, instead it is a logical breakdown and response of posts and events relative to saturdays decisions.

i dont know u but u seem to know us ,come and front me up up in gym about his calves we can have a chat and coffee about it, u will find us there 8.00pm to 9.15pm and ask for me walid,

look out at the elite show cause he will have an overall better package,

peace

walid

[goku_kakarot77]

small look at these pics and tell me if hes is watery or soft, loo kat him next to T as well,

you be the judge,

we will show u the reason in the eliteshow

peace