2009 NZFBB Auckland Champs

[musclenz]

all the competitors in any junior class can go along way. its how dedicated they are to the sport and what paths they want to take (in regards to jucing/natural etc)

tesina reminds me of sonny schmidt: hes (finally) got his posing locked down. kahlid needs to work on his legs, his insane mass uptop needs to be balanced > i thought the judges would have penalised this lack of proportion and symmetry yet mass prevailed.

we will see what happens at nationals in the junior class more competitors to come out of the wood work...

I think you have to factor in the fact Kahlid is also a junior - and whilst he was holding fluid, he has an inmpressive amount of mass/development for someone so young. Tesina was surely better presented and seemed to be a more confident poser, but at the end of the day he didn't have the presence on stage to over power a bigger athlete - this was a standout during the comparisons.

The Junior class is always going to be a challenge to judge as it has no height or weight grade - @ 112kg Khalid is going to always have the advantage as a junior (and wouldn't look out of place as an open competitor in the over 95kg). He'll need to be sharper as a novice and open but then may be he isn't trying to peak for this show - I suspect he'll be a bit harder for nationals // The points must have been close - but I'm afraid Kahlid won it because he was the best on the day.

Khalid has got great potential. I have worked with him for the last 2 years but was not greatly involved with his contest prep. For a first show he did pretty well & conditioning will be better for later in the year with more time to work into it. Obviously there are areas that can be improved but for somebody with his size & height it is not possible to get a fully balanced & proportional physique at his stage of BBing.

[Small]

for somebody with his size & height it is not possible to get a fully balanced & proportional physique at his stage of BBing.

why does his height and weight now dictate the sheer lack of proportion?

yes he most certainly does have a great body, one that has great amount of mass, and he is likely to go to become much bigger and better, but I fail to see how being 6foot summin and 112kgs LIMITS you to be in proportion?

Instead it seems he likes to train his good bits more-which rather than your suggestion is more culpable answer than some flimsy age cop out

[musclenz]

for somebody with his size & height it is not possible to get a fully balanced & proportional physique at his stage of BBing.

why does his height and weight now dictate the sheer lack of proportion?

yes he most certainly does have a great body, one that has great amount of mass, and he is likely to go to become much bigger and better, but I fail to see how being 6foot summin and 112kgs LIMITS you to be in proportion?

Instead it seems he likes to train his good bits more-which rather than your suggestion is more culpable answer than some flimsy age cop out

I was not at the competition & I don't want to get into a discussion on the merits of any one competitor. All I would say is that I think his upper legs were not necessarily lacking in size more in definition & separation & his training has been based around compound movements & not at any specific body part. However, I am trying to say that as a very tall BBer 6'4" it is a bit more difficult to get the balance in proportion as it is with a shorter mesomorph.

[Outlaw53]

Firstly is this a new record for the longest quote?

As to the way things are run in Aus, not sure how it is these days but when I went over there a number of years ago....people were trophy hunting in multiple classes...this is the biggest joke in Australian bodybuilding! What do they want with all the plastic?

Prizes to every competitor is unique over here, especially NPC USA T- Shirts.

Yes people leave early, and that has happened in every comp of every fed by every promotor. Junior Mens families aren't necessarily interested in bodybuilding but their sons sport, and that is ok, I don't go to soccer on saturday watch my sons game and then stay for every other grade after either.

Absolutlely, there is no question Moe turned up late, but all in all there were far more positives than negatives (the sexy blonde MC of the ladies classes I got to take home at the end of the night for one ), and I can only see things getting better.

LOL. I don't think it is the longest, I think I broke the record with the WNBF thread last month!

I have no argument about the way bodybuilding is heading in Aust, that is why I am posting here - don't go down the same path that we have. (Trophy's for everyone).

People leave early because they are bored or if a game is too one-sided and the result is inevitable.

Bodybuilding shows can tick both boxes here.

1. They are boring. (too long and drawn out).

2. The results are predictable as there are only one or two in the class.

I remember when I was young I would hang out for the big boys to hit the stage.

Things have definitely changed for the worse.

Trophy presentations are not helping.

[1day]

LOL. I don't think it is the longest, I think I broke the record with the WNBF thread last month!

People leave early because they are bored or if a game is too one-sided and the result is inevitable.

Bodybuilding shows can tick both boxes here.

1. They are boring. (too long and drawn out).

2. The results are predictable as there are only one or two in the class.

accually i think ur full of crap! most people that go to a show are there to generally support sum1(family of friend) and if ,like many im sure, ur family and freinds dont pay a big interest to bbing, they tend to only stay for wot they have to(until there supportee has done there thing). other than those going to support someone in particullar(ei supporters of the sport/bb community) i doubt they would leave early as they all know that the big guys/gals come out at the end and if they have that much interest in the sport then they will always endure the whole show.

[agent86]

1daysaid

actually i think ur full of crap! most people that go to a show are there to generally support sum1(family of friend) and if ,like many im sure, ur family and freinds dont pay a big interest to bbing, they tend to only stay for wot they have to(until there supportee has done there thing). other than those going to support someone in particullar(ei supporters of the sport/bb community) i doubt they would leave early as they all know that the big guys/gals come out at the end and if they have that much interest in the sport then they will always endure the whole show.

Wrong! People have a certain level of patience and can usually last a certain time until they get bored or just have to get home. I have observed half the audience leave because the show was running late even though there was a great guest poser on later or the overalls were still to come.

A show must start on time for the audience and competitors sake. It must run smoothly and quickly without excessive speeches and breaks. The sound system and lighting must be perfect.

A lot of people are there to support others but they will hang on and watch the end if it is not too far away. I agree with Outlaw, there are no excuses for late, boring shows.

[1day]

Alot of people are there to support others but they will hang on and watch the end if it is not too far away.

would question alot, but would agree there would be a fair percentage. but also stick to my oppinion that the true supporters of the sport would stay reguardless

[trainharder]

for somebody with his size & height it is not possible to get a fully balanced & proportional physique at his stage of BBing.

why does his height and weight now dictate the sheer lack of proportion?

yes he most certainly does have a great body, one that has great amount of mass, and he is likely to go to become much bigger and better, but I fail to see how being 6foot summin and 112kgs LIMITS you to be in proportion?

Instead it seems he likes to train his good bits more-which rather than your suggestion is more culpable answer than some flimsy age cop out

i didnt see the show small so cant comment on hic condition or symetry etc

but generally taller guys have a harder time getting everything in balance

someone 6ft4 will have a disadvantage over someone 5ft7 in symetry everything has to be proportionaly bigger to get the same appealing symetry. the torso legs arms etc are all longer.

so when you get a very tall guy that has symetry and leanness etc he will clean up over a short ass.

my comments arent reflecting on the comp in the weekend but yr question on why someone so tall has a harder time getting in proportion.its not easier for the taller guy.

[auck_builder]

i dont think he is full of crap. he makes very good points. maybe we should give every team/player a trophy and medal at the rugby world cup?

[1day]

so when you get a very tall guy that has symetry and leanness(probly on the gear) etc he will clean up over a short ass.

:wink:

[Outlaw53]

Congratulations on showing your ignorance 1day.

It's quite obvious that you don't know too much about bodybuilding competitions.

Everyone who goes to a bodybuilding competition does so because they have a friend in it.

There are no longer people from the general public who go to watch a bodybuilding show like they used to 20, 30, 40yrs ago.

Bodybuilding no longer attracts outsiders to competitions.

It is a known fact that the easiest way to get bums on seat to a bodybuilding show is to offer lots of entry-level (Novice) classes to attract first-time competitors.

This in turn will ensure that they bring along lots of friends, as these poor bastards have no idea what they are in for.

Open class competitors are lucky to attract one or two people to a show, if anyone at all.

Their friends and family have all seen them compete many times before and know only full well that they will have to sit through 6-10hrs of boredom just to see their friend win his class against 1 or 2 other competitors.

There are virtually no fans left who will buy a seat to a bodybuilding show, but those who do usually give up by the half time break as they are generally falling asleep after watching class upon class of 2-3 athletes that all look the same as the class before them.

This is why we are seeing most promoters and federations putting on "trophy presentations".

Rather than trying to build the sport up and create high standard shows, its much easier to tempt newbies with the knowledge that they will be going home with a shiny new plastic trophy and the opportunity to put a "paper-title" on their PTing business card that they got 3mths earlier.

They are now "seasoned" competitors and have far more knowledge than champions who have trained for 20yrs+ because they won a contest after training for only 6mths.

They stay in the sport for a year or two, then disappear without a trace soon after when they realise that it actually takes a little bit more than just 6mths of training to build a quality physique and that their PTing course that they did taught them absolutely jack-shit about anything except how to market yourself.

As these people leave the sport, new people just like them enter the sport and the cycle begins again.

So where does this leave the hardcore bodybuilder who has spent 10-20yrs in the sport?

They get nothing.

They are expected to compete year after year in poorly run shows that offer absolutely no incentives whatsoever for them to dedicate the time, effort and money that it requires for them to compete at such a high level.

To add insult to injury, they are put on at the end of the show in front of small crowds, as the bulk of the crowd have left hours ago due to boredom.

This my ignorant friend is the evolution of what is now know as a bodybuilding comp.

A show put on to make a quick buck for the promoter with scant regard for the serious hardcore competitors and fans or the future improvement of the sport.

Thank you for allowing me to educate you 1day.

[1day]

Congratulations on showing your ignorance 1day.

It's quite obvious that you don't know too much about bodybuilding competitions.

ahahaha, ok mr know-it-all. learn to write a 2 sentence answer b4 u bore every1 out of this topic too. :doh:

[trainharder]

so when you get a very tall guy that has symetry and leanness(probly on the gear) etc he will clean up over a short ass.

:wink:

true so il rephrase my point

when you get a very tall guy with symetry leanness proportionality and doped to the eyeballs on gear he will clean up over a shorter guy with same symmetry leanness proportianality thats doped up to his eyeballs on gear.

[1day]

so when you get a very tall guy that has symetry and leanness(probly on the gear) etc he will clean up over a short ass.

:wink:

true so il rephrase my point

when you get a very tall guy with symetry leanness proportionality and doped to the eyeballs on gear he will clean up over a shorter guy with same symmetry leanness proportianality thats doped up to his eyeballs on gear.

LMAO!!!! spot on :clap:

[Outlaw53]

Congratulations on showing your ignorance 1day.

It's quite obvious that you don't know too much about bodybuilding competitions.

ahahaha, ok mr know-it-all. learn to write a 2 sentence answer b4 u bore every1 out of this topic too. :doh:

What's wrong mate, have you got no come-back for the truth?

It would take a bit more than just two sentences to explain what is wrong with the sport of bodybuilding.

People like you are part of the problem.

Know-it-alls that in actual fact know buggar-all about bodybuilding but are full great ideas about what they think is wrong with the sport.

Keep living in your dream world.

[Android]

Congratulations on showing your ignorance 1day.

It's quite obvious that you don't know too much about bodybuilding competitions.

ahahaha, ok mr know-it-all. learn to write a 2 sentence answer b4 u bore every1 out of this topic too. :doh:

What's wrong mate, have you got no come-back for the truth?

It would take a bit more than just two sentences to explain what is wrong with the sport of bodybuilding.

People like are part of the problem.

Know-it-alls that in actual fact know buggar-all about bodybuilding but are full great ideas about what they think is wrong with the sport.

Keep living in your dream world.

The good old days are gone Outlaw.

Perhaps you're just getting old and times are changing but you are not changing with them.

A new breed of bodybuilders has come through, let's call them them "The Trophy Hunters", and you're obviously blissfully unaware of them. They don't care about Elite and Pro status, they're young, old, either staying out of trouble, losing weight after being obese, and/or just having a blast with like-minded people.

I'd love the title "Mr Auckland" or "Mr New Zealand" regardless of how many people I had to beat to get it. I would expect someone to show up and I just want to beat them to get it, simple as that. The standard is going up, I look at winners physiques closer than anyone because I'm out to beat them and in the last 2 years the physique categories have raised the bar. There will be a huge line-up come Nationals and each person on stage will have to be on their game that night.

I do take the piss out of the numerous Masters groups (we have to have due to IFBB, thankyou BigMD) but these old guys are the same, they don't care how many people turn up tbh. I saw the 3rd place-getter (he came last out of 3 btw) smiling like a street kid on P he was that happy! This guy comes last every time and gets a trophy, and he loves it. I personally find it boring to watch old guys but the whole show isn't about pleasing Android, or Outlaw for that matter.

Sure alot of these people aren't going to "get anywhere" in the elite or pro division, but do think they even care? If you do you're only talking to the competitors that "think like you" or nod their head when you give them a loaded question, and not the majority of the new competitors coming through.

I don't think like you and I have not replied to alot of your rants about NABBA and NZ bodybuilding as I don't see the point, but you've got to wake up Outlaw, bodybuilding isn't what it was in your days, the good old days.

Shoot I don't even know why I bothered replying

Your logic about high standard shows implies the standards drop when trophies are given out to everyone...

This is why we are seeing most promoters and federations putting on "trophy presentations".

Rather than trying to build the sport up and create high standard shows

...this is flawed thinking and tells me you're way out of touch with NZ competitions. The standard of teenage guys at this comp runs rings around what I saw at last years comp. We have teenagers coming back each year getting better, standards are going up regardless of our so called policy of handing out trophies to everyone.

With flawed logic like that which flies in the face of facts it's no wonder the rest of your outlooked is flawed and diatribe. My take on your replies is that you are trying to disrupt NZ bodybuilding for whatever agenda.

We love trophies! \:D/ We love trophies! \:D/ We love trophies! \:D/ We love trophies! \:D/

[Outlaw53]

ahahaha, ok mr know-it-all. learn to write a 2 sentence answer b4 u bore every1 out of this topic too. :doh:

What's wrong mate, have you got no come-back for the truth?

It would take a bit more than just two sentences to explain what is wrong with the sport of bodybuilding.

People like are part of the problem.

Know-it-alls that in actual fact know buggar-all about bodybuilding but are full great ideas about what they think is wrong with the sport.

Keep living in your dream world.

The good old days are gone Outlaw.

Perhaps you're just getting old and times are changing but you are not changing with them.

A new breed of bodybuilders has come through, let's call them them "The Trophy Hunters", and you're obviously blissfully unaware of them. They don't care about Elite and Pro status, they're young, old, either staying out of trouble, losing weight after being obese, and/or just having a blast with like-minded people.

I'd love the title "Mr Auckland" or "Mr New Zealand" regardless of how many people I had to beat to get it. I would expect someone to show up and I just want to beat them to get it, simple as that. The standard is going up, I look at winners physiques closer than anyone because I'm out to beat them and in the last 2 years the physique categories have raised the bar. There will be a huge line-up come Nationals and each person on stage will have to be on their game that night.

I do take the piss out of the numerous Masters groups (we have to have due to IFBB, thankyou BigMD) but these old guys are the same, they don't care how many people turn up tbh. I saw the 3rd place-getter (he came last out of 3 btw) smiling like a street kid on P he was that happy! This guy comes last every time and gets a trophy, and he loves it. I personally find it boring to watch old guys but the whole show isn't about pleasing Android, or Outlaw for that matter.

Sure alot of these people aren't going to "get anywhere" in the elite or pro division, but do think they even care? If you do you're only talking to the competitors that "think like you" or nod their head when you give them a loaded question, and not the majority of the new competitors coming through.

I don't think like you and I have not replied to alot of your rants about NABBA and NZ bodybuilding as I don't see the point, but you've got to wake up Outlaw, bodybuilding isn't what it was in your days, the good old days.

Shoot I don't even know why I bothered replying

Your logic about high standard shows implies the standards drop when trophies are given out to everyone...

This is why we are seeing most promoters and federations putting on "trophy presentations".

Rather than trying to build the sport up and create high standard shows

...this is flawed thinking and tells me you're way out of touch with NZ competitions. The standard of teenage guys at this comp runs rings around what I saw at last years comp. We have teenagers coming back each year getting better, standards are going up regardless of our so called policy of handing out trophies to everyone.

With flawed logic like that which flies in the face of facts it's no wonder the rest of your outlooked is flawed and diatribe. My take on your replies is that you are trying to disrupt NZ bodybuilding for whatever agenda.

We love trophies! \:D/ We love trophies! \:D/ We love trophies! \:D/ We love trophies! \:D/

At last someone who has had a decent think about what they have posted.

Well done Android, for what it's worth I enjoy many of your posts, so I appreciate your reply.

I would love to argue that you are wrong, because I believe that you are, but I would certainly like to set you straight on your last paragraph.

It is in absolutely no way, shape or form that I am trying to disrupt NZ bodybuilding, my motivation is exactly the opposite.

I kind of look at NZ as the last frontier of true bodybuilding in the South Pacific area.

Us Aussies see you guys come over here time and time again, stealing our trophies and titles, (bastards), and from our point of view bodybuilding seems like it is pretty old-school in NZ.

Bodybuilding in Australia has gone down the path of no return - competitions with 20-30 classes in an attempt to buy some cheap votes from newbie competitors.

Competitors who will stay in the sport for about 5mins or until they get put in a class where there is more than 2 competitors.

Our comps are long, boring and tedious.

We have to sit through hours upon hours of lightly built/skinny bodybuilders competing in classes that have been created specifically for competitors like them who have been training for 6mths if they are lucky.

It is impossible to tell the difference from one class to the other, they all look the same.

Don't get me wrong, I love new competitors, but there is no need to breakdown 10 Novice competitors into 4 different classes.

I am simply doing my best to tell everyone in NZ not to fall into the same trap that we have over here in Australia, but it appears that it is already too late.

You too are running "trophy presentations" rather than bodybuilding competitions.

"Trophy Hunters" have taken over bodybuilding while the genuine champions who have been the backbone of the sport have simply been thrown out onto the scrap-heap.

It's all pretty sad if you ask me.

[1day]

Congratulations on showing your ignorance 1day.

It's quite obvious that you don't know too much about bodybuilding competitions.

ahahaha, ok mr know-it-all. learn to write a 2 sentence answer b4 u bore every1 out of this topic too. :doh:

What's wrong mate, have you got no come-back for the truth?

It would take a bit more than just two sentences to explain what is wrong with the sport of bodybuilding.

People like you are part of the problem.

Know-it-alls that in actual fact know buggar-all about bodybuilding but are full great ideas about what they think is wrong with the sport.

Keep living in your dream world.

i take it u dont have many friends mate , ur head seams so far stuck up ur own ass that the crap just keeps coming out ur mouth. u dont know anything about me or my involement with the sport.

'People like me are part of the problem'?? i think not mate. i keep it simple, i love the sport, i compete in the sport and i support the sport full heartdly. its butt pluggs like u that complicate the sport by complaining about everything and poking holes in the system. get over urself mate. the sport is was it is and will go were it goes in the future, so show ur support for it or stick a sock in it and move on with ur sad life.

[Small]

Everyone who goes to a bodybuilding competition does so because they have a friend in it.

i dont think this is correct-i went to auck champs - had 0 friends competeing; there were bodies I wanted to see but they werent my friends, i had more friends sitting in the audience haha and i wouldnt go pay money just to catch w my mates in the audience

I was not at the competition & I don't want to get into a discussion on the merits of any one competitor. All I would say is that I think his upper legs were not necessarily lacking in size more in definition & separation & his training has been based around compound movements & not at any specific body part. However, I am trying to say that as a very tall BBer 6'4" it is a bit more difficult to get the balance in proportion as it is with a shorter mesomorph.

fair call musclenz

you should tell him to stop squatting lots and start calve raising more hehe

so when you get a very tall guy that has symetry and leanness etc he will clean up over a short ass.

daniel hibbs.... or was he just lucky ?? :?

true so il rephrase my point

when you get a very tall guy with symetry leanness proportionality and doped to the eyeballs on gear he will clean up over a shorter guy with same symmetry leanness proportianality thats doped up to his eyeballs on gear.

:pfft:

[AllenNZ]

About getting bored at a bodybuilding show the one’s that have been running here in NZ do get boring. I have just come back from a show in the Gold Coast (NABBA) where they run the show like this. Each competitor did there routine first and than the whole class came out and did there compulsory poses. During the poses down that’s when they were adding up the score cards and than they were made to go to the back of the stage where they each got a gift pack and than they presented the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. I have also been to the NPC-IFBB in Melbourne and that’s run like this class 1 comes out to do there compulsory poses then class 2 then follow by class 3. Than class 1 come back and each one does there routine and than they are brought back out for there awards. Then they start with class 4, 5 and 6 and so on.

This way we have the nights free or they can start at 2pm and run it till the end

PS ( I go to a lot of bodybuilding shows here and overseas )

[Outlaw53]

ahahaha, ok mr know-it-all. learn to write a 2 sentence answer b4 u bore every1 out of this topic too. :doh:

What's wrong mate, have you got no come-back for the truth?

It would take a bit more than just two sentences to explain what is wrong with the sport of bodybuilding.

People like you are part of the problem.

Know-it-alls that in actual fact know buggar-all about bodybuilding but are full great ideas about what they think is wrong with the sport.

Keep living in your dream world.

i take it u dont have many friends mate , ur head seams so far stuck up ur own ass that the crap just keeps coming out ur mouth. u dont know anything about me or my involement with the sport.

'People like me are part of the problem'?? i think not mate. i keep it simple, i love the sport, i compete in the sport and i support the sport full heartdly. its butt pluggs like u that complicate the sport by complaining about everything and poking holes in the system. get over urself mate. the sport is was it is and will go were it goes in the future, so show ur support for it or stick a sock in it and move on with ur sad life.

I have plenty of friends, but there are just as many people who hate me as well.

Unlike you, I don't live in a fantasy world or suck up and tell people what they would like to hear.

Your right, I don't know anything about you or your involvement in bodybuilding, nor do I care much either, just as you know nothing about me.

It is quite obvious that you are happy enough to just let things go regardless of whether it is good for the sport or not.

So long as everyone likes you the world is good.

I am probably one of the few people posting on this thread who's head isn't up his own arse.

Perhaps you should pull your head out of your own arse and see what is really going on?

You say that the sport is what it is - well, you are correct with that comment.

It has now become a "trophy presentation" rather than a bodybuilding competition and this obviously has your blessing.

Unlike you, I show my support for bodybuilding comps, not "trophy presentations".

[1day]

:disgusted:

*yawn*

[chickenman]

i too went to the show on sat not too watch a friend compete but to experience watching a different sport and for some inspiration.

although there were a few issues that need ironing out i am looking forward to going to the next one and maybe even aiming towards competing..

i would look to compete not because of the high possibility of getting a trophy but to challenge myself and to see how far i can push my own body.

im sure the competitors dont get to the gym every day and think gee i might go easy today cause im going to get a trophy anyways..... no they want to see what they can achieve by commiting 100%...

i agree with 1day....put a sock in it outlaw.. maybe australians are a bit slow and you need to constantly repeat your whinging over there but once is fine here.

move on !!!!!

[auck_builder]

dont be like that 1day he actually has a very good argument for the good of the sport, he isnt bagging it he is suggesting improvements that he feels would open the sport up to a wider audience etc.

dont see any harm in it....?

[trainharder]

Everyone who goes to a bodybuilding competition does so because they have a friend in it.

i dont think this is correct-i went to auck champs - had 0 friends competeing; there were bodies I wanted to see but they werent my friends, i had more friends sitting in the audience haha and i wouldnt go pay money just to catch w my mates in the audience

I was not at the competition & I don't want to get into a discussion on the merits of any one competitor. All I would say is that I think his upper legs were not necessarily lacking in size more in definition & separation & his training has been based around compound movements & not at any specific body part. However, I am trying to say that as a very tall BBer 6'4" it is a bit more difficult to get the balance in proportion as it is with a shorter mesomorph.

fair call musclenz

you should tell him to stop squatting lots and start calve raising more hehe

so when you get a very tall guy that has symetry and leanness etc he will clean up over a short ass.

daniel hibbs.... or was he just lucky ?? :?

true so il rephrase my point

when you get a very tall guy with symetry leanness proportionality and doped to the eyeballs on gear he will clean up over a shorter guy with same symmetry leanness proportianality thats doped up to his eyeballs on gear.

:pfft:

no small daniel hibbs was not lucky he looked amazing shape leanness symetry proportion

but you missed my point entirely

he is not overly tall if a guy was over 6ft in his condition symetry etc they would win

but what you failed to understand is that being over 6ft it is harder for guys to get there

but if they do they are unbeatable