2009 NZFBB Auckland Champs

[laurasaur]

Firstly,

A+ on the big bird pic. Fair and total representation

Secondly,

To the bikini girls: Don't read too much into what everyone is saying, its understandable that there is a lot of outrage towards the girls because of the nature of the type of the competition, everyone else there had spent months/years working out and dieting and the bikini class was a bit out of place and unexpected for some, and to receive the same amount of $$ in prizes or more in some cases makes hate... don't take it personally... especially not from andymac

[Outlaw53]

Just a couple of other quick points regarding the organization. Yes there were time delays, and no it's not the first time in any show from either a new or very very experience promoters this has happened in NZ.

Craig, did the Country Classic go off perfectly the very first time you ran it in every facet?

I recall the 04 Oz pro show getting some critique over the house music including some off colour music (I was there and can confirm this too, not a report thrid hand) and yet Tony has taken on the advice and I'm know will have improved this part of his show to the exceptionally high standard it is. But still it was a mistake from a very very experienced promotor.

As to the "trophy show", should we condone those that turn up because others don't, a fairer reflection for your knowledge is that this show exceeded past early shows in both competitor numbers and quality, often with classes not, the masses usually turn up in the events closer to nationals to qualify in one diet per year.

I can understand the combining of classes, there could be an argument made that a competitor that is for example a 70-80k Novice men, who gets lumped in with the 80-90k novice men and perhaps come 4th in a class made up to be 6 with the top 3 spots filled by the larger competitors (80-90) and the bottom 3 by the (70-80) are disadvantaged as they did not turn up to compete against that weight level and may not have depleted water so heavily or similar practices if they were to know this was happening. They don't mix weight classes for weightlifting at the Olympics do they? There has been a recent change back from the 5kg category increments of a few years ago as per the international standard to make the classes more competitive, should we go back to the under and over 75kg categories of 1990?

So kudos to those that showed up IN SHAPE, there efforts were appreciated by this spectator.

I can assure you all of a couple of points- more things went right than wrong, and one of the reasons for the delayed start that you may not be aware of was the distribution on stage of prizes for EVERY competitor before the show started.

At least the competitors were at the heart of the competition.

I would add....where was the coffee guy out the front, cruel and inhumane treatment of spectators in my books.

Otherwise a solid B+ from me, and great potential to be an A+ show.

G'day Michael.

Nice to hear from you mate.

In answer to your first question, yes, the CCI started on time (within 5mins) the first year and every other year since.

There is NEVER an excuse for a show running late.

The only reason shows start late is due to poor/lazy preparation.

All the competitors arrived at the venue on time, why couldn't the promoter?

The promoter should be the very first person to arrive at the venue.

I find this extremely disrespectful to all the competitors.

As a competitor himself, I would've thought that Moe would've made this a priority.

As for the "trophy show", well, what else can you call it?

Again, the competitors are not to blame.

They have done the right thing by competing, only to be presented with a "trophy show".

There were 7 Novice classes and 5 Masters classes. WTF?

This is simply ridiculous.

Surely just 1 Novice Men/Women and just 1 Masters Men/Women would do?

This would kill of 8 classes and create a much more competitive competition.

Again, no disrespect to the competitors, it was great to see close to 60 competitors at a show.

Its just a pity that it was turned into a presentation rather than a contest.

You are not going to maintain crowd interest running shows like this.

We have them here in Aust and at the end of the day nearly everyone has gone home after being bored to death seeing class after class.

Most of the time it is impossible to tell one class from another.

These people will not come back to a show again

You are killing off any hope of making bodybuilding popular.

I base this on what I have seen over here in Australia over the last 35yrs.

The only people who go to bodybuilding shows over here are competitor's friends or family.

They only ever go once as they bored shitless.

As for the excuse that the show ran late because of prize distribution, this is no excuse at all.

All shows give away prizes these days, so its no big deal.

What were these prizes - commemorative t-shirts?

The show ran late because the promoter was late getting to the venue - pure and simple.

I can't for the life of me understand how a promoter could be late for his own show?

[Outlaw53]

To the bikini girls: Don't read too much into what everyone is saying, its understandable that there is a lot of outrage towards the girls because of the nature of the type of the competition, everyone else there had spent months/years working out and dieting and the bikini class was a bit out of place and unexpected for some, and to receive the same amount of $$ in prizes or more in some cases makes hate... don't take it personally... especially not from andymac

Good observation Laurasaur.

It would be terribly frustrating for fans and competitors to see women who have not put in the same dedication and preparation as the bodybuilders, only to find that they are given the same $$$ prizes.

Most of the girls were from the dance troupe and were roped in at the last minute, so its not really their fault as they were doing their best to help out the show.

Its hard to comprehend that all 3 classes got the same $$$.

[Loochi]

Damn Sesa looks good yo..... All of the competitors did!

[kj]

All placegetters photos are now online at http://www.muscleimaging.com/Events/NZF ... /AK09.html

[laurasaur]

yeah I think the only issue is that the 3 classes got the same amount of money because obviously hugely different amounts of work are involved at holding a body at that bf% level etc. Maybe they are just hoping to make it into a big class and so needed to do this to attract attention or something.

[Loochi]

Teisina Tongi had the mean as classic looking physique. He posed good as too man! Jr part was awesome.

Khalid... Arabic name? Yee yaa. Represent :grin:

[bigmd]

Hey outlaw, we have had some good PM's back and forth and you bring some good aruguments to the forum, But if you keep this ATTACK mode up, your going to be known as the A hole, that runs a good show, over the constructive positive professional that runs a great show! Any show that is run by the NZFBB must follow IFBB rules, which means we are not intitled to combine classes etc, your show is inderpendant i believe which means you can change the rules if you see fit, (much like our NABBA INT) Rules are rules and if the classes are thin that is not the promoters fault. The Time issue, has merrit, the 1st time you mentioned it and the 2nd and the 3rd ......but its wearing thin.

Please start be constructive not destructive!

[Small]

Teisina Tongi had the mean as classic looking physique. He posed good as too man! Jr part was awesome.

Khalid... Arabic name? Yee yaa. Represent :grin:

imo tesina was robbed

[Loochi]

Teisina Tongi had the mean as classic looking physique. He posed good as too man! Jr part was awesome.

Khalid... Arabic name? Yee yaa. Represent :grin:

imo tesina was robbed

Yeah I don't know what judges were looking for.. I personally would choose Teisina. He had such a meannnnn back double bi.. And can do the splits lol (not sure how that's relevant.) Oh well... Not our decision. Guess the judges had a good reason.

Yee yaa Arabs own the bbin scene woot :grin:

[Loochi]

Teisina Tongi had the mean as classic looking physique. He posed good as too man! Jr part was awesome.

Khalid... Arabic name? Yee yaa. Represent :grin:

imo tesina was robbed

Yeah I don't know what judges were looking for.. I personally would choose Teisina. His body was brilliant. He had such a meannnnn back double bi also.. And can do the splits lol (not sure how that's relevant.) Oh well... Not our decision. Guess the judges had a good reason.

Yee yaa Arabs own the bbin scene woot :grin:

[Outlaw53]

Hey outlaw, we have had some good PM's back and forth and you bring some good aruguments to the forum, But if you keep this ATTACK mode up, your going to be known as the A hole, that runs a good show, over the constructive positive professional that runs a great show! Any show that is run by the NZFBB must follow IFBB rules, which means we are not intitled to combine classes etc, your show is inderpendant i believe which means you can change the rules if you see fit, (much like our NABBA INT) Rules are rules and if the classes are thin that is not the promoters fault. The Time issue, has merrit, the 1st time you mentioned it and the 2nd and the 3rd ......but its wearing thin.

Please start be constructive not destructive!

Hey bigmd, I know my name is mud over here.

I'm fine with that, I'm happy to cop it on the chin.

The rules must be different over here in Australia.

IFBB do not run multiple Novice classes here.

If these are the NZ rules then so be it, but I they are not recognised in Aust.

Are there two IFBB rules - one for NZ and one for Aust?

Tony Doherty runs his All States show on the same day as the Pro Show here in Aust.

He recognises that it is a small show and simply offers U/80kg and O/80kg.

He does it, I can't see why nobody else can.

I know all of you get pissed with me for continually knocking the "trophy presentation" shows all the time, but they are doing nothing positive for the sport.

I just wish promoters and federations would think of the long term affect this will have for bodybuilding.

I have been constructive.

I have congratulated the competitors, the emcee and yourself as well as suggested that they combine the classes next year and put a bit more time into organising the show better next year.

How is this destructive?

Well done on your Guest Pose mate, from all reports it was awesome.

[Loochi]

Let the people of NZ take care of the sport of bodybuilding ok brah. Just concentrate on Australia and don't let it get like NZ. :roll:

No hate

[Outlaw53]

Let the people of NZ take care of the sport of bodybuilding ok brah. Just concentrate on Australia and don't let it get like NZ. :roll:

No hate

It's the other way round brah - I don't want NZ to get like Aust!

Nearly all our shows are trophy presentations, I'd hate to NZ go down the same path.

Peace brah.

[Loochi]

Looool! All good brah.

Thing is, I think it inspires those who got the trophies, you know?? Could be a good thing.. Maybe they will push themselves really hard next time round. We will see what happens.

Peace breh.

[Brunette2]

Ahh i also entered the bikini comp!! Just to let you know it has inspired me to go on and tone up my figure. After all is this not how it all starts?? I am also a dancer along with Lisa and train long hours. Big up's to Moe the show was awesum. Negative comments for some people come so much easier than positive ones, but i love it cause it just makes me wana go harder, i'll show you ANDYMAC. C you next time at the bikini comp haha.

[Optimass]

Ahh i also entered the bikini comp!! Just to let you know it has inspired me to go on and tone up my figure. After all is this not how it all starts?? I am also a dancer along with Lisa and train long hours. Big up's to Moe the show was awesum. Negative comments for some people come so much easier than positive ones, but i love it cause it just makes me wana go harder, i'll show you ANDYMAC. C you next time at the bikini comp haha.

:clap:

[Matrix]

I dont know if the bikini class will be always included in comps and everyone is entitled to their opinion on the matter. I think, however that it is important to look on the class as it is suppossed to be judged.

The ladies we femine, not ripped and presented themselves as was required. It's not fair to judge them on the same lines as fitness or physique, thats not the required or desired look for them. !2-16 week contest training and dieting is not a requesit for that class.

I certainly wouldnt call them fat or obese because they werent. Infact, dressed up in normal clothes or at the beach most guys would think they looked pretty lean anyway, and most non bodybuilding girls would probably love to be as lean as they were, it's just that we as spectators are used to looking and judging super lean/ super tanned individuals, who are pumped and posing to full affect. Thats not what that comp was about.

[Matrix]

Agree with Loochi, In that Tesina looked good, pretty balanced, great hammies and tiny waist, along with big arms.

I think if he opens out more when standing semi relaxed it will help his pecs and shoulders look wider. It was a close class, Mass vs Class, in the end the judges chose the 112 kg guy. He did have weak points though imo. Smallish calves and a little watery but great genes for size though.

If Tesina keeps at it, his body's symmetry and balance could take him along way.

[michaelk]

Just a couple of other quick points regarding the organization. Yes there were time delays, and no it's not the first time in any show from either a new or very very experience promoters this has happened in NZ.

Craig, did the Country Classic go off perfectly the very first time you ran it in every facet?

I recall the 04 Oz pro show getting some critique over the house music including some off colour music (I was there and can confirm this too, not a report thrid hand) and yet Tony has taken on the advice and I'm know will have improved this part of his show to the exceptionally high standard it is. But still it was a mistake from a very very experienced promotor.

As to the "trophy show", should we condone those that turn up because others don't, a fairer reflection for your knowledge is that this show exceeded past early shows in both competitor numbers and quality, often with classes not, the masses usually turn up in the events closer to nationals to qualify in one diet per year.

I can understand the combining of classes, there could be an argument made that a competitor that is for example a 70-80k Novice men, who gets lumped in with the 80-90k novice men and perhaps come 4th in a class made up to be 6 with the top 3 spots filled by the larger competitors (80-90) and the bottom 3 by the (70-80) are disadvantaged as they did not turn up to compete against that weight level and may not have depleted water so heavily or similar practices if they were to know this was happening. They don't mix weight classes for weightlifting at the Olympics do they? There has been a recent change back from the 5kg category increments of a few years ago as per the international standard to make the classes more competitive, should we go back to the under and over 75kg categories of 1990?

So kudos to those that showed up IN SHAPE, there efforts were appreciated by this spectator.

I can assure you all of a couple of points- more things went right than wrong, and one of the reasons for the delayed start that you may not be aware of was the distribution on stage of prizes for EVERY competitor before the show started.

At least the competitors were at the heart of the competition.

I would add....where was the coffee guy out the front, cruel and inhumane treatment of spectators in my books.

Otherwise a solid B+ from me, and great potential to be an A+ show.

G'day Michael.

Nice to hear from you mate.

In answer to your first question, yes, the CCI started on time (within 5mins) the first year and every other year since.

There is NEVER an excuse for a show running late.

The only reason shows start late is due to poor/lazy preparation.

All the competitors arrived at the venue on time, why couldn't the promoter?

The promoter should be the very first person to arrive at the venue.

I find this extremely disrespectful to all the competitors.

As a competitor himself, I would've thought that Moe would've made this a priority.

As for the "trophy show", well, what else can you call it?

Again, the competitors are not to blame.

They have done the right thing by competing, only to be presented with a "trophy show".

There were 7 Novice classes and 5 Masters classes. WTF?

This is simply ridiculous.

Surely just 1 Novice Men/Women and just 1 Masters Men/Women would do?

This would kill of 8 classes and create a much more competitive competition.

Again, no disrespect to the competitors, it was great to see close to 60 competitors at a show.

Its just a pity that it was turned into a presentation rather than a contest.

You are not going to maintain crowd interest running shows like this.

We have them here in Aust and at the end of the day nearly everyone has gone home after being bored to death seeing class after class.

Most of the time it is impossible to tell one class from another.

These people will not come back to a show again

You are killing off any hope of making bodybuilding popular.

I base this on what I have seen over here in Australia over the last 35yrs.

The only people who go to bodybuilding shows over here are competitor's friends or family.

They only ever go once as they bored shitless.

As for the excuse that the show ran late because of prize distribution, this is no excuse at all.

All shows give away prizes these days, so its no big deal.

What were these prizes - commemorative t-shirts?

The show ran late because the promoter was late getting to the venue - pure and simple.

I can't for the life of me understand how a promoter could be late for his own show?

Firstly is this a new record for the longest quote?

As to the way things are run in Aus, not sure how it is these days but when I went over there a number of years ago....people were trophy hunting in multiple classes...this is the biggest joke in Australian bodybuilding! What do they want with all the plastic?

Prizes to every competitor is unique over here, especially NPC USA T- Shirts.

Yes people leave early, and that has happened in every comp of every fed by every promotor. Junior Mens families aren't necessarily interested in bodybuilding but their sons sport, and that is ok, I don't go to soccer on saturday watch my sons game and then stay for every other grade after either.

Absolutlely, there is no question Moe turned up late, but all in all there were far more positives than negatives (the sexy blonde MC of the ladies classes I got to take home at the end of the night for one \:D/ ), and I can only see things getting better.

[Small]

all the competitors in any junior class can go along way. its how dedicated they are to the sport and what paths they want to take (in regards to jucing/natural etc)

tesina reminds me of sonny schmidt: hes (finally) got his posing locked down. kahlid needs to work on his legs, his insane mass uptop needs to be balanced > i thought the judges would have penalised this lack of proportion and symmetry yet mass prevailed.

we will see what happens at nationals in the junior class more competitors to come out of the wood work...

[gym junkie]

you said it small plus look at the politics that runs through nzfbb :naughty: i may have to hit nzfbb jrs 4 my last yr az well az nabba :nod:

[Optimass]

all the competitors in any junior class can go along way. its how dedicated they are to the sport and what paths they want to take (in regards to jucing/natural etc)

tesina reminds me of sonny schmidt: hes (finally) got his posing locked down. kahlid needs to work on his legs, his insane mass uptop needs to be balanced > i thought the judges would have penalised this lack of proportion and symmetry yet mass prevailed.

we will see what happens at nationals in the junior class more competitors to come out of the wood work...

I think you have to factor in the fact Kahlid is also a junior - and whilst he was holding fluid, he has an inmpressive amount of mass/development for someone so young. Tesina was surely better presented and seemed to be a more confident poser, but at the end of the day he didn't have the presence on stage to over power a bigger athlete - this was a standout during the comparisons.

The Junior class is always going to be a challenge to judge as it has no height or weight grade - @ 112kg Khalid is going to always have the advantage as a junior (and wouldn't look out of place as an open competitor in the over 95kg). He'll need to be sharper as a novice and open but then may be he isn't trying to peak for this show - I suspect he'll be a bit harder for nationals // The points must have been close - but I'm afraid Kahlid won it because he was the best on the day.

[Small]

of course i'm considering Kahlid is a junior-doesn't that mean that judges should be encouraging and considering more complete physiques to flow through to future classes (as juniors are likely to be fundamental pillars in future competitions starting so young)?

holding fluid was never a concern of mine-it was the sheer disproptioned body that made me suggest Tesina deserved the win; alas bodybuilding is not just delt, ab and arm building.

Time and time again it has been shown that yes you can have mass, and we want to see these mass monsters, but last year we saw that mass, proportion AND symmetry were what saw a 69kg Mr NZ over a massy 80kg boy. seems to have made an interesting switch back..

Tesina was surely better presented and seemed to be a more confident poser

so wouldnt that f*ck you off if you looked better, and posed better than your opponent yet you got a silver to a guy who had shoulders bigger than his head?

its a package sport-T was hard done by in my opinion

[Bobsta]

@ 112kg Khalid is going to always have the advantage as a junior

Was Khalid 112kg on stage?!! How tall is he?